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07/01/2008 09:25:15 PM · #26 |
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07/01/2008 09:32:48 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by JunieMoon:
Is white a color? |
depends...are you talking white the pigment or white the light? ;) |
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07/01/2008 09:51:10 PM · #28 |
White, as in color of something. Not white light. Thought the information might be helpful to others.
Message edited by author 2008-07-01 21:52:10. |
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07/01/2008 09:59:04 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by JunieMoon:
Is white a color? |
A true photographer would say "of course it is. It's the combination of all colors." But, alas, additive perversion reigns supreme.
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07/02/2008 11:17:18 AM · #30 |
So what tools can you actually use for this.
it sounds like it should have just run under stragiht from the camera editing.
Message edited by author 2008-07-02 11:18:01. |
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07/02/2008 11:19:17 AM · #31 |
Originally posted by JulietNN:
So what tools can you actually use for this.
it sounds like it should have just run under stragiht from the camera editing. |
??? What's so confusing about this? You just can't do a selective desat...no biggee. |
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07/02/2008 11:20:40 AM · #32 |
I am confused cos I am a blonde. I know you can not desaturate, but can you saturate and say use teh sponge or selective colour to pump up the colour
I will also add, that i am freaked out that I may use a tool that is not allowed and get DQ'd, and my pain pills arent working and I am in a pissy mood.,
Message edited by author 2008-07-02 11:23:11. |
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07/02/2008 11:27:15 AM · #33 |
Originally posted by JulietNN:
I am confused cos I am a blonde. I know you can not desaturate, but can you saturate and say use teh sponge or selective colour to pump up the colour
I will also add, that i am freaked out that I may use a tool that is not allowed and get DQ'd, and my pain pills arent working and I am in a pissy mood., |
:-D Ok.
Seriously, the challenge description/special rules simply state: "Selective desaturation in post-processing is not allowed".
Other than the regular editing rules for a challenge running under the Advanced Editing ruleset, my take on this is that everything else (but desaturation) is legal.
Pump up the colors all you want. :-) |
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07/02/2008 11:28:25 AM · #34 |
| Thank you, I am becoming soooooooooo paranoid it isnt funny, I am second geussing myself all over the place here |
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07/02/2008 11:31:01 AM · #35 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by JulietNN:
So what tools can you actually use for this.
it sounds like it should have just run under stragiht from the camera editing. |
??? What's so confusing about this? You just can't do a selective desat...no biggee. |
That may be what they intended, but unfortunately there's some confusion as to what they actually SAID:
Selective desaturation in post-processing is not allowed, in-camera desaturation/selective color tools are not allowed.
1. Selective desaturation is not allowed, check. We got that part. What exactly is MEANT by "selective desaturation" is not clear, however. In my mind, selective desaturation involves converting all but a part of an image to grayscale, and I can understand why they don't want that in this challenge. But to other people, ANY amount of desturation applied to ANY color or object within the image may qualify as "selective desaturation". I don't KNOW, see? I mean, typically, when I shoot landscapes I use hue/sat to mute one or more of the colors a bit, and to amp one or more of the other colors a bit. So is it OK to amp colors but muting them is forbidden? I don't KNOW...
2. But notice the second sentence: it's clear that in-camera desaturation is not allowed, and this makes sense inasmuch as PP desaturation is not allowed. But what about that second part, "selective color tools are not allowed"? Is that "in-camera selective color tools" or ALL "selective color tools"? The syntax is unclear. If it is the latter, they are telling us we may not use Photoshop's "Selective color" adjustment layer at ALL? I don't KNOW. It's all very unclear to me.
I really dislike it when these technique-specific challenges use ambiguous language to define the parameters of legality...
R.
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07/02/2008 11:31:29 AM · #36 |
| It would be helpful if someone from SC would post in here to make the point absolutely clear for those with any concerns. |
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07/02/2008 11:33:31 AM · #37 |
It was the selective tools that threw me in a tizzy. Can you use it period? or not, cos it says you can not, but most people think you can.
help!
adn thank you Bear for explaining what I was trying to say in a more detailed and a much more make sense post |
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07/02/2008 11:35:56 AM · #38 |
| Ok Robert, I see your point. The one thing in your post that I would also question is whether ANY use of desat is allowed. I'm thinking not. I also do what you've described in landscapes, especially in the yellows as they can sometimes benefit from a slight desat or hue shift (to green). |
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07/02/2008 11:50:24 AM · #39 |
Seems simple enough: "No sort of selective desaturation allowed!"
My personal interpretation is that this challenge is similar to B&W in Color, where the whole point is to tackle the color problem in the scene rather than Photoshop. With that in mind, I'll be voting DQ for any attempt to artificially isolate the color in post processing. That would include partial desaturation and even desaturating entire color channels since either is a "sort" of selective desaturation. Instead of trying to figure out ways to skirt the desaturation restriction, you should be trying to find an appropriate scene to capture! |
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07/02/2008 11:57:55 AM · #40 |
Challenge Details: Capture an image where a point of color is the main subject. No sort of selective desaturation allowed!
I thought this might happen. My reading of this is that color is allowed but a specific point of color is the main subject. In other words, pick a subject where the color of the subject sets it apart from the rest of the photo.
I'm thinking now, with what's going on in this thread that, if I photographed a red balloon in a blue sky or a yellow frog on a dark green leaf, I would get a lot of DNMC, which, I would think, is unfair as this is not the Black and White background with a point of color challenge. |
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07/02/2008 12:04:15 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Seems simple enough: "No sort of selective desaturation allowed!"
My personal interpretation is that this challenge is similar to B&W in Color, where the whole point is to tackle the color problem in the scene rather than Photoshop. With that in mind, I'll be voting DQ for any attempt to artificially isolate the color in post processing. That would include partial desaturation and even desaturating entire color channels since either is a "sort" of selective desaturation. Instead of trying to figure out ways to skirt the desaturation restriction, you should be trying to find an appropriate scene to capture! |
Yes, I got no problem with that, I just didn't think it was being made clear. I completely agree, that the SPIRIT of the challenge is to find a scene that works "as is", where some subject of color isolates itself naturally. The only caveat I append to that is this: everyone is working from the description to define how it precludes DESATURATION, but you can artificially enhance your color in the OTHER direction, of course, by choosing the desired element,s electing for it, and amping UP the color. So if you preset your camera in one of the more muted modes, then you can isolate-by-saturating and (apparently) skirt this issue altogether. It's not in the spirit of the challenge, I know that, I'm not gonna do it myself, but....
There could have been more effective wording that prevented both approaches explicitly, I think...
R.
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07/02/2008 12:04:55 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by dahkota:
Challenge Details: Capture an image where a point of color is the main subject. No sort of selective desaturation allowed!
I thought this might happen. My reading of this is that color is allowed but a specific point of color is the main subject. In other words, pick a subject where the color of the subject sets it apart from the rest of the photo.
I'm thinking now, with what's going on in this thread that, if I photographed a red balloon in a blue sky or a yellow frog on a dark green leaf, I would get a lot of DNMC, which, I would think, is unfair as this is not the Black and White background with a point of color challenge. |
I think you read it right, and your examples are excellent! Now everyone go shoot, and fret not the details of post processing. Treat it like a basic challenge - levels, curves, sharpen, resize, submit! :-) |
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07/02/2008 01:23:11 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
you can artificially enhance your color in the OTHER direction, of course, by choosing the desired element,s electing for it, and amping UP the color. |
The net effect would be to desaturate one part of the photo relative to the rest. Still a DQ IMO. |
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07/02/2008 01:28:09 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
you can artificially enhance your color in the OTHER direction, of course, by choosing the desired element,s electing for it, and amping UP the color. |
The net effect would be to desaturate one part of the photo relative to the rest. Still a DQ IMO. |
???! Now that's an interesting take on it. |
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07/02/2008 01:45:54 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by scalvert:
The net effect would be to desaturate one part of the photo relative to the rest. Still a DQ IMO. |
???! Now that's an interesting take on it. |
"I'll be voting DQ for any attempt to artificially isolate the color in post processing." I can't speak for the others, but as an obvious attempt to skirt the rules, it would get a DQ from me. |
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07/02/2008 02:14:58 PM · #46 |
then I seriuosly do not understand.
If we leave all the colours as is, but then use selective colour tool and just boost say the blue to saturate the blues, that is going to be a DQ? |
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07/02/2008 02:20:52 PM · #47 |
Just go simple and do a single color drop shot! hehe
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07/02/2008 02:34:46 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by scalvert:
The net effect would be to desaturate one part of the photo relative to the rest. Still a DQ IMO. |
???! Now that's an interesting take on it. |
"I'll be voting DQ for any attempt to artificially isolate the color in post processing." I can't speak for the others, but as an obvious attempt to skirt the rules, it would get a DQ from me. |
Well then, the rules aren't written very clearly. They should be written to disallow desaturation and saturation increases. As it's written now a user should be allowed to boost saturation in PP without any concern of DQ. |
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07/02/2008 02:36:27 PM · #49 |
I am so so sorry guys that I have become a pain in the arse, I even feel like a pain in the arse to myself right now.
I am even worried about Dodge and Burn as it darkens and lightens.
I think that the SC is going to have a horribly horrid time with this challenge |
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07/02/2008 02:38:32 PM · #50 |
| As long as people play with the spirit of the rule and maybe not the letter things would go a lot better. who knows? |
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