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06/16/2008 11:51:01 AM · #51
Originally posted by raish:

I'm pretty confident that none of the entries fit that description.


I would politely disagree. There were a handful that would fit the definition you gave...in my opinion.
06/16/2008 11:58:55 AM · #52
Originally posted by egamble:

Originally posted by raish:

I'm pretty confident that none of the entries fit that description.


I would politely disagree. There were a handful that would fit the definition you gave...in my opinion.


I think Raish is pointing out that if you want to play lawyer on the interpretation you should go all the way and realize 99%+ of the pictures are depicting a fake crime and not one in actuality. Therefore DNMC.

You'll come around. It is very common for new DPC members to vote very strictly on the DNMC and then slowly loosen up over time. I'm no exception to that rule.
06/16/2008 12:10:48 PM · #53
Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Originally posted by egamble:

Originally posted by raish:

I'm pretty confident that none of the entries fit that description.


I would politely disagree. There were a handful that would fit the definition you gave...in my opinion.


I think Raish is pointing out that if you want to play lawyer on the interpretation you should go all the way and realize 99%+ of the pictures are depicting a fake crime and not one in actuality. Therefore DNMC.

You'll come around. It is very common for new DPC members to vote very strictly on the DNMC and then slowly loosen up over time. I'm no exception to that rule.


I thought the challenge stated 'REAL OR FICTITICOUS' So your statement above is false so the alternate must be true, though sadly it is not.

I am personally deeply disappointed in this challenge. Anyone can feel free 'After the challenge' is over to discuss my 'Baghead' comment. Yes I commented on all of them and was strict on what I believe represents a crime scene.
06/16/2008 12:21:33 PM · #54
Originally posted by littlegett:


I thought the challenge stated 'REAL OR FICTITICOUS' So your statement above is false so the alternate must be true, though sadly it is not.


So it does. Well, let me take my words out of Raish's mouth. I'm not sure what he's saying then...
06/16/2008 12:35:57 PM · #55
Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Originally posted by egamble:

Originally posted by raish:

I'm pretty confident that none of the entries fit that description.


I would politely disagree. There were a handful that would fit the definition you gave...in my opinion.


I think Raish is pointing out that if you want to play lawyer on the interpretation you should go all the way and realize 99%+ of the pictures are depicting a fake crime and not one in actuality. Therefore DNMC.

You'll come around. It is very common for new DPC members to vote very strictly on the DNMC and then slowly loosen up over time. I'm no exception to that rule.


I partially agree with littleget. In this particular case, not even playing lawyer should lead to the kind of strict interpretation Jason thinks raish has made, because the description says "Capture an image of a real or fictitious crime scene". The presence of the word "ficticious" eliminates that chance.

LOL.I had posted this prior to reading last Jason's comment...so we all agree now (except Raish of course :-))

Message edited by author 2008-06-16 12:37:36.
06/16/2008 12:51:28 PM · #56
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I know...it isn't the faking of the crime that I was talking about. That is actually spelled out in the challenge..that it can be 'ficticious'.

I was talking about what constituted a 'crime'.

Message edited by author 2008-06-16 12:52:14.
06/16/2008 12:53:00 PM · #57
This is still the scores thread, right?

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Message edited by author 2008-06-16 12:53:29.
06/16/2008 01:03:39 PM · #58
This is why I rarely enter these type of challenges! Some folk interpret these contests too literaly and don't think outside the box. At the end of the day, people have to remember this is about photography and the quality of the image as an end product! don't get too caught up on technicalities...sure, you have to meet the remit of the challenge, but for christ sake, have a liberal view on the matter. At the end of the day, I'd rather see an image win because its technically, a well executed photo that just about meets the criteria, rather than an image which meets the challenge remit word for word, but which is poorly executed!!! And believe you me...it happens!

This is why I feel Free Studies are the gold standard on dpchallenge...as the images tend to be judged in most part on photographic merit, and without the influence of personal interpretation.

06/16/2008 01:21:33 PM · #59
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The votes on this one are really all over the place, but I expected that.
06/16/2008 01:46:12 PM · #60
I guess you are right ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' Magno I for one am one of those people who NEVER think out of the box.

Though I do appreciate your opinion on how I should voice my opinions and interpretations. Always nice to know my opinion matters just as long as someone else is telling me what it is.
06/16/2008 01:52:19 PM · #61
How can you see the breakdown of your scores during the challenge (how many 1s,2s,3s)? I've looked and looked and can't figure out where yall got this info from.

Thanks :)
06/16/2008 01:54:31 PM · #62
Originally posted by JessWest:

How can you see the breakdown of your scores during the challenge (how many 1s,2s,3s)? I've looked and looked and can't figure out where yall got this info from.

Thanks :)


you gotta do the math. There is no place where it shows you the indivual votes.
06/16/2008 01:55:13 PM · #63
I didn't enter to this one, but my "High Contrast III" score is the best Crime Scene... it's getting killed over and over again :P
06/16/2008 02:08:24 PM · #64
Originally posted by DrAchoo:



you gotta do the math. There is no place where it shows you the indivual votes.


Oh yay, just one more way to waste time obsessing over my entry. Thanks again.
06/16/2008 02:11:19 PM · #65
Originally posted by FocusPoint:

I didn't enter to this one, but my "High Contrast III" score is the best Crime Scene... it's getting killed over and over again :P


OMG! So funny...
06/16/2008 02:16:24 PM · #66
Originally posted by ti_evom:

Just a quick question for the ladies - Do many of you wear red spiked heels that often? ;-) I believe in every shot where there is a dead woman and her feet are showing, they have on red spiked heels. Does than mean that of all those shots, men were the photographers? lol I guess we'll see once it's over.


I couldn't say, though there are some who aren't wearing red shoes. Interesting observation, I think.
06/16/2008 02:20:05 PM · #67
Originally posted by ShutterPug:

[quote=noisemaker] i had gotten a comment saying that my photo is more of a dead body than a scene. But isn't the dead body part of the scene?


Yeah well I got a baghead comment that stated mine was just a part too and "what is the crime, what is the scene"...and my score went from 5.88 to a 5.6xx

I got one too, my score went from a 6.55 to a 6.43. I think the comment was negative but due to the commenter's poor grammar, I really can't be sure.
06/16/2008 02:30:51 PM · #68
Originally posted by raish:

Originally posted by egamble:

Is it wrong?

Ok...besides a few photos..that were just really great ideas, I voted pretty low on pictures that didn't actually show a 'crime scene' in the most basic definition of the phrase.

I read the challenge...and it didn't say our interpretation of a crime scene...so I figured my vote should reflect that.

Is that wrong? Or is leniency usually given by the voters on creative interpretation of the challenges? (even if the wording of the challenge appears to be rigid)


In the most basic definition of the phrase, a 'crime scene' would be a place where a crime has been committed. In the context of the challenge, a photograph should then be taken of a place where a crime has been committed and, furthermore, in a condition still pertinent to a current investigation of that crime. I'm pretty confident that none of the entries fit that description.

FWIW, vote as low as you like on mine, I was having a laugh.


I have worked as crime scene photographer as well as appeared in court as an expert witness. The crime scene photographer will take overall photos of a crime scene, but he/she will also take photos that depict individual aspects of the scene. This process ensures that the scene is properly documented and that every aspect of the scene is documented. Photos of a crime scene can include: The location of evidence, its relation to other objects at the scene, the orientation of any victims, the entry and exit points, and sometimes the people who are watching the processing of the scene. I agree that a great many of the entries in this challenge do not fall within the challenge parameters, but there are a few that do depict what would be included in a crime scene photo.
06/16/2008 02:31:45 PM · #69
Originally posted by egamble:

Originally posted by FocusPoint:

I didn't enter to this one, but my "High Contrast III" score is the best Crime Scene... it's getting killed over and over again :P


OMG! So funny...


I think I know what entry you're talking about and if it is, I gave it a 10.
06/16/2008 02:34:30 PM · #70
Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Originally posted by littlegett:


I thought the challenge stated 'REAL OR FICTITICOUS' So your statement above is false so the alternate must be true, though sadly it is not.


So it does. Well, let me take my words out of Raish's mouth. I'm not sure what he's saying then...


Sort of stick in your craw, don't they?

I was picking up on an earlier reference to 'most basic definition of the phrase'. I would think that anything that was not to some extent fictitious would be pushing the edge of decency and legality. Basic definitions are nearly always fallacies. Even so, the CS part of CSI is going to be the concensus first interpretation, at a guess.

Not that I want to seem like I'm agreeing with anyone, or anything...
06/16/2008 02:53:05 PM · #71
its interesting the longer i'm here the more i notice these threads disinigrate into petty arguments about the meaning of the challenge and who interperted what about it- why isn't this discussed better before the challenge entries are submitted ? hrm; just an observation...

I'm taking a break from challenges after the contrast one - life is a little too busy 4 me;
some great shots in this challenge tho- nice processing/angles/lighting etc... goodluck folks-

hope your scores settle and start rising soon :)

Message edited by author 2008-06-16 14:54:00.
06/16/2008 02:58:31 PM · #72
Originally posted by Love6:


I'm taking a break from challenges after the contrast one - life is a little too busy 4 me;


Bah on busy lives. I think you should really keep going and also more self portraits (-;
06/16/2008 03:19:58 PM · #73
Originally posted by Love6:

its interesting the longer i'm here the more i notice these threads disinigrate into petty arguments about the meaning of the challenge and who interperted what about it- why isn't this discussed better before the challenge entries are submitted ? hrm; just an observation...


oh, but it is! the arguments go on before, during and after the challenge!
06/16/2008 04:35:23 PM · #74
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Avg Vote: 6.2073

Love reading the comments everyone has left. I have finally a picture that, hopefully, will continue to be above 6.0, my first ever!!

I like the freedom to vote how I want, and for other people to do the same, and to get comments good and bad, and to try and learn from them (got a baghead, lol!).

I like to think out of the box because its the main thing that inspires me to be a member of this community. I'm so out of the box its what I often do for a living! Without that option, I wouldn't be a member of this community, and in my opinion, photography wouldn't be photography.

I have learnt a great deal from this one challenge, simply because it was a great idea, that I wanted to share, and was so funny to setup and execute (literally, lol). I put so much effort into it, and am glad to see that my efforts for me are paying off. Thank you!

So please, more bagheads, more good comments.

One question:
Why do bagheaders often hide themselves during voting?
06/16/2008 04:56:58 PM · #75
Originally posted by pffree:



One question:
Why do bagheaders often hide themselves during voting?


Because there are people who may not like the comment and reply during voting and it is not always pretty. I would prefer to be messaged after the voting has ended. Which also gives people time to reflect and or calm down from a comment they view as extreme.

People get emotional attached to their images, and feel it is a personal attack. I used to feel that way and pissed off a lot of people by commenting to them right after I read their comments. But after a few years of learning and growing... just try to let it roll now.

Though, that is the reason I baghead. ( I already admitted in this thread) Not that I am putting peoples images down, I just prefer to give time for the comment to soak in before being messaged about my stupidity of comment.
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