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03/24/2004 06:39:55 AM · #1 |
OK I am dying to hear some opinions now that this challenge is over.
 This was my entry. It scored 4.797 30% It got an amazing 12 ones and 18 twos.
It was my most disappointing finish on a personal favorite photo.
I was told by several of the commenters that it didn't meet the challenge.
Was this challenge that black & white?
Read this description again-
Details: Photograph a subject where parallel lines provide or strengthen the composition of the image.
It does not say photograph a bunch of straight lines that are parallel.
Excuse the bad line drawing job here, it was late at night.
These two horses are standing totally parallel. The lines strengthen this photo completely.
What would the photo be if the second horse was in a different stance?
Am I seeing something that no one else is?
My daughter was the one to see this photo and tell me to enter it. So I am not the only one to see it.
I would love to hear some opinions on this one.
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03/24/2004 06:58:04 AM · #2 |
I did not vote on all pictures this time, and yours was one that I did not see and vote on.
Although it is a great picture, I don't think the parallel lines play an important role in the composition. Yes, the horses stand the same way, parallel to each other, but does it show parallel lines in the picture ?
I read parallel as being next to each other, following the same route, either straight or curved. The lines you draw in your explanation are angled towards each other, not parallel, a possible reason for people to say it does not meet the challenge.
It probably is just not obvious enough. Many people spend only a few seconds before voting, and pictures which need more thought, are far fetched, usually will score lower.
You shouldn't feel bad about the picture, nothing wrong with it, just a bit of a stretch for this challenge, also in my view.
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03/24/2004 07:19:43 AM · #3 |
| I think the parallel lines created by their stance and form were crucial to this being an interesting horse photo rather than a run of the mill horse mugshot. While to a certain extent I agree with willem that this may be considered a stretch for the challenge and that's why it scored low I do believe the challenge was well met regardless. As he said though, photos requiring more than a second to determine if they meet the challenge don't do well. |
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03/24/2004 07:23:11 AM · #4 |
Unlucky is the main point. And this is also the reason that I did not enter the parallel lines challenge. I personally was going to enter a crockery shot, where several progressively smaller dinner plates were layered one on top of another to provide parallel concentric circles. I really could not see very many people on DPC appreciating my shot so did not bother.
I think one of the biggest problems with DPC is that most people are not prepared to look at the photos and attempt to understand them, to really appreciate even the greatest photos of all time you still have to look at them for a while. The other problem is the number of pictures that are entered into challenges these days -- many people seem to feel the need to vote on every picture and therefore do not spend a long time on each individual picture. They therefore cannot see how a picture meets the challenge.
But if you can't understand that, then maybe you can help me understand my little dilemma. I have so far won one ribbon, and it was with a shot that I did not particularly like -- I only entered it because I thought that it might do okay on DPC. As it turns out my lowest scoring shot is one of my favourite shots as it achieved everything that I wanted it to. However my second highest scoring shots (the one that ribboned) was in my opinion just a very bland and boring shot.
Maybe it is because I don't take too many pictures for DPC, but mainly for myself, that I have never really bothered to try to understand DPC and as such I have yet to understand what shots might do well. In the case of your particular photo, just because it was more interesting than any of the top three, I would probably have voted it quite highly. Unfortunately I did not vote in the challenge.
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03/24/2004 07:27:24 AM · #5 |
Not sure what happened there, should been higher.
But that's coming from a guy who got 4.599 253 / 329 23%
I can only assume(atleast I hope it is the only reason)that
I got such a low score because of the other Guitar shots.
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03/24/2004 07:44:46 AM · #6 |
As for snapshot's ribboning photo... I voted that photo quite high too. There are many reasons a person can vote one way or another on a particular photo. Numerous threads have covered that ad infinitum. For me though I thought the photo did an extremely good job of meeting the challenge of depicting an off-screen expectation in a compelling way. The b&w treatment was good, overall it was sharp, clear, and the sense of movement increased interest. The composition could have been better for me if the rear player was more to the right but based on the photo's other strengths and the nature of the subject the composition becomes somewhat less critical.
In contrast, your lowest scoring shot, "Road safety -- did you look" I would have scored low had I voted. It seems a little static, there is little motion or sense of action, far too centered and tightly cropped.
It also IMO has competing subjects. I think a better composition would have been to have the sign in the background with the truck rushing in the foreground or enlarge the crop so that there is more of the truck and a clear space for it to travel into. The way it is right now there is far too much prominence placed on the sign when the object of the challenge was to show your subject in motion.
Anyway, these are just my thoughts. I haven't been really all that fond of any of the photos that I've entered into these challenges while some of them did quite well. Neither have I really like the ones my friends and family have thought were my best. I think it's just the nature of the beast.
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03/24/2004 07:57:11 AM · #7 |
I also submitted a photo I was soo proud of, and before submitting it, I e-mailed it to family & friends for their comments. It was all very positive. I had never been so excited about a photo I had taken. Alas, I think my picture wound up to be 218/329 in the Parallel Lines challenge. I did not vote higher than a 6 for any of the top three, not that interesting to me. I did appreciate the parallel lines such as the horse picture, the trees birdges, more than just straight lines. (although mine were straight), I am still fairly new to all of this, so I guess we have to keep plugging away.
Message edited by author 2004-03-24 07:57:23. |
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03/24/2004 09:34:13 AM · #8 |
Its a great shot, very nice toning too.
I think really repetiton of form is what gives this shot its strength and interest, rather than parallel lines, really.
Yes you could make a case for the noses being parallel, and the outline being a line - but the first part of that sentence is the key. If you have to try and argue the point, then it isn't obvious.
And obvious wins here. |
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03/24/2004 09:38:39 AM · #9 |
Apparently some voters couldn't see my parallel lines either!!!! And it's too bad, cause I thought this was a really good picture... I know it's tough to spot with THE TWO HUGE FREAKING MATCHING COLUMNS!
I guess maybe it was just another average shot, I guess my voting compus sucks!
Message edited by author 2004-03-24 09:41:26.
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03/24/2004 09:45:51 AM · #10 |
This was my first challenge and I was pleased with my outcome. I was expecting a few more comments but thats ok. The ones I got helped. Is there anything else that I should have done to make this image better. 
Thanks... |
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03/24/2004 10:26:25 AM · #11 |
It's tough to get comments in the middle of the pack. You either have to do really well or really bad to get an influx of comments!
I learned TONS when I first got here and people had lots of feedback on my stuff. But now I get very little, and almost non of it is why they don't like it or how to fix it. Seems like the only negative comments I get anymore are how they don't think my picture fits the challenge. So needless to say, i'm learning a lot less now.
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03/24/2004 11:16:55 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by Russell2566:
It's tough to get comments in the middle of the pack. You either have to do really well or really bad to get an influx of comments!
I learned TONS when I first got here and people had lots of feedback on my stuff. But now I get very little, and almost non of it is why they don't like it or how to fix it. Seems like the only negative comments I get anymore are how they don't think my picture fits the challenge. So needless to say, i'm learning a lot less now. |
That's exactly how I feel. People, please consider giving some constructive critisism to the ones you mark 4,5, and 6, we're getting stuck in a rut here. ;)
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03/24/2004 11:18:16 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by Russell2566:
It's tough to get comments in the middle of the pack. You either have to do really well or really bad to get an influx of comments!
I learned TONS when I first got here and people had lots of feedback on my stuff. But now I get very little, and almost non of it is why they don't like it or how to fix it. Seems like the only negative comments I get anymore are how they don't think my picture fits the challenge. So needless to say, i'm learning a lot less now. |
Thats cos mosst people whine about negative comments :-( |
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03/24/2004 11:23:19 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by sn4psh07:
Originally posted by Russell2566:
It's tough to get comments in the middle of the pack. You either have to do really well or really bad to get an influx of comments!
I learned TONS when I first got here and people had lots of feedback on my stuff. But now I get very little, and almost non of it is why they don't like it or how to fix it. Seems like the only negative comments I get anymore are how they don't think my picture fits the challenge. So needless to say, i'm learning a lot less now. |
Thats cos mosst people whine about negative comments :-( |
I welcome them if they're constructive, not mean spirited and genuinely meant to help rather than knock someone down. I've learned tons here, more when I first joined than lately though. Those so called negative comments, if nothing else, helped me become average as opposed to downright terrible.
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03/24/2004 11:25:24 AM · #15 |
Terry, if I recall correctly, I gave you a 6, however, my time was taken by other events and I never got to rating 20% so my score is irrelavent now (sorry). However, I saw the parallel lines in the slopes of the horse's noses and actually really liked the unique perspective of the challenge theme. The part that threw me off was the fact the the DOF placed the back horse out of focus. Since both horses were critical as theme subject, I thought they both should have been in focus. That was the primary reason for the reduction in score. I did not consider the ears as parallel however. Also the legs were cropped off and did not add the the theme either.
Notwithstanding, it is still a very nice photo. However, stretching the limits of the challenge has it's perils, something to which I am suffering in the current Orange challenge.
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03/24/2004 11:28:10 AM · #16 |
No one seems to have mentioned that the ears make parallel lines (or did I miss that somewhere). It's a stunning photo. I didn't participate in this challenge nor did I vote. You would have gotten a high score from me for this one...probably an 8.
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03/24/2004 11:31:26 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by Russell2566:
It's tough to get comments in the middle of the pack. You either have to do really well or really bad to get an influx of comments!
I learned TONS when I first got here and people had lots of feedback on my stuff. But now I get very little, and almost non of it is why they don't like it or how to fix it. Seems like the only negative comments I get anymore are how they don't think my picture fits the challenge. So needless to say, i'm learning a lot less now. |
You have to also consider that the majority, are by definition, average. You'll get less and less useful comments as you get better - because those comments to be useful or beyond the most obvious, need to come from someone who is potentially shooting better pictures - once you get in the middle of the pack, most people are at roughly the same level. |
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03/24/2004 11:31:30 AM · #18 |
Here's a case of a good sharp picture, with good composition and parallel lines getting dinged in scoring because the upcoming challenge is 'orange'! Sigh. Too much nitpicking going on here me thinks!
I'm on DPC vacation...
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03/24/2004 11:35:25 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by crabappl3:
Here's a case of a good sharp picture, with good composition and parallel lines getting dinged in scoring because the upcoming challenge is 'orange'! Sigh. Too much nitpicking going on here me thinks!
I'm on DPC vacation... |
You know, i don't agree.
of the people who commented, they gave you a 6.85, which is good enough for 4th. I don't think that the fact that your shoes were orange made any differance at all in your final score. Not for the worse anyhow. I gave you an 8. I think you got the score you did because people like or didn't like it the way they did... nothing to do with orange.
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03/24/2004 11:36:56 AM · #20 |
I think the photo is fantastic, and I saw the parallel lines, but I didn't think the lines "provide or strengthened the composition of the image"
The object, as I understood it, was to create a photo that was great BECAUSE of the parallel lines, not a photo that simply contained parallel lines.
Of course, I came in 73rd, so what do I know :) |
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03/24/2004 11:37:24 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by crabappl3:
Here's a case of a good sharp picture, with good composition and parallel lines getting dinged in scoring because the upcoming challenge is 'orange'! Sigh. Too much nitpicking going on here me thinks!
I'm on DPC vacation... |
It probably didn't do so well because its about the shoes, not the background. Yes there are parallel lines in it, but it isn't about parallel lines - they are pretty much incidental. |
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03/24/2004 11:51:58 AM · #22 |
While we're at it what makes this entry ordinary or average? 
Nothing in the comments really help me see how I could make this a better picture (even though I checked most comments as 'helpful'- maybe there should be another for 'Thanks'). The shallow DOF was intentional and the blue BG was meant to emphasize the lines. And I tried to keep it simple.
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03/24/2004 11:54:54 AM · #23 |
I don't remember what I gave you but I do remember the photo. I like how the parallel line changes.
Off the topic of your image, does anyone know what happen to the pic of the drummers. Does anyone remember that image? I thought that was really clever since the drums were all lined up and all the drummer's sticks were parallel as well...
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03/24/2004 11:57:47 AM · #24 |
Originally posted by TerryGee:
OK I am dying to hear some opinions now that this challenge is over.
This was my entry. It scored 4.797 30% It got an amazing 12 ones and 18 twos.
It was my most disappointing finish on a personal favorite photo.
I was told by several of the commenters that it didn't meet the challenge.
Was this challenge that black & white?
Read this description again-
Details: Photograph a subject where parallel lines provide or strengthen the composition of the image.
It does not say photograph a bunch of straight lines that are parallel.
Excuse the bad line drawing job here, it was late at night.
These two horses are standing totally parallel. The lines strengthen this photo completely.
What would the photo be if the second horse was in a different stance?
Am I seeing something that no one else is?
My daughter was the one to see this photo and tell me to enter it. So I am not the only one to see it.
I would love to hear some opinions on this one. |
Terry this photo was awesome and I think it fits the challenge perfectly, some people just see things black and white, I gave it a 10
Message edited by author 2004-03-24 11:58:51. |
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03/24/2004 11:57:53 AM · #25 |
Originally posted by orussell:
While we're at it what makes this entry ordinary or average? |
Dunno, I gave it 10 :)
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