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03/24/2004 05:02:34 AM · #1
I'm getting quite tired of seeing one too often captured in various titles. One would able to take as many different shots as possible until the right one is captured. So where is the skill? Don't get me wrong, studio shot has its place and lighting is paramount important(eg. potraiture). I believed less skill is demanded as compare for a keen eye and awareness needed for an interesting subject in an outer natural enviroment.

I felt so bored seeing pencils or sticks lining up (parallel lines) or different arrangement of carrots and cups (orange) etc etc etc. Common members, you can do better than that.

Personally, I hope to see more of candid shots (meaning not posed). That will demand all aspect of skills of a photograher.

03/24/2004 05:09:29 AM · #2
This coming from someone who entered the same (or virtually the same) picture in two challenges you've entered? And, in those two shots, you used the same skills as the studio shot -- after all, there was nothing moving in your picture. The only difference between your shot and a studio shot was yours was outdoors. Wasn't particularly creative, either, IMHO!
03/24/2004 05:10:29 AM · #3
frankly I find it much easier to photograph what is already there, such as landscapes buildings, I try it from different angles etc but essentially the lighting etc is out of my hands.

I find studio or posed shots far more challenging, I'm still learning about composition, lighting etc. Last night though I bought myself some nice halogen lamps so expect to see more studio pics from me!!
03/24/2004 05:15:28 AM · #4
i find the challenge in the spelling......
are we common members?
03/24/2004 05:17:11 AM · #5
interesting point boomer.

they are almost completely identical. Do you have a fixed tripod that you came back to for the scond one at exactly the same time of day??
03/24/2004 05:36:14 AM · #6
To Boomer and Cbansall,

I chanced upon DP and find it quite intersting. I only joined DP not too long ago and my first entry was "texture II" titled "Step" which I just submitted for fun even knowing my subjcet was out of tuned. Anyway got 153/406 (38%) as a first timer.

Subsequently came "parallel line" which I realised my original entry is more relevant.

So to settle the issue, yes, it was a duplication and the entry is not freshly taken. I'm just curious to see where do I stacked for at least a relevant photo. If it doesn't qualified to be posted with results, its OK with me.
03/24/2004 05:42:27 AM · #7
tut tut naughty naughty!!!

I actually really liked it, in fact I gave it a 9 I think in the parallel challenge
03/24/2004 05:47:24 AM · #8
Originally posted by novetan:

To Boomer and Cbansall,

I chanced upon DP and find it quite intersting. I only joined DP not too long ago and my first entry was "texture II" titled "Step" which I just submitted for fun even knowing my subjcet was out of tuned. Anyway got 153/406 (38%) as a first timer.

Subsequently came "parallel line" which I realised my original entry is more relevant.

So to settle the issue, yes, it was a duplication and the entry is not freshly taken. I'm just curious to see where do I stacked for at least a relevant photo. If it doesn't qualified to be posted with results, its OK with me.

So you have cheated, great.
03/24/2004 05:57:20 AM · #9
Kind of fascinating that a new member comes aboard, cheats, and then lectures the community for too many studio shots which "tire" him. I wish I could spell chutzpah! (Or did I?)
03/24/2004 06:41:46 AM · #10
Funny. You can't be bothered to read the rules, but you can complain about the pictures. It's much more challenging to set up good lighting than going out at noon and taking a snap of some steps. Try it and you might learn something. Did you enter the steps into the march free study too?
03/24/2004 06:51:21 AM · #11
' . substr('//www.hawkins.nu/gtchat/images/rofl.gif', strrpos('//www.hawkins.nu/gtchat/images/rofl.gif', '/') + 1) . ' @ novetan.

Too funny.
03/24/2004 06:59:18 AM · #12
Originally posted by Beagleboy:

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Too funny.


Beagle's Boy, how do you do those avitars?
03/24/2004 07:13:43 AM · #13
Hohoh

DQ coming up I feel
03/24/2004 08:06:16 AM · #14
To address the stock photography complaints - that I feel is down to locations and practicalities. If we all lived in beautiful places surrounded by mountains, lakes, hills, valleys, all teaming with life, then we would surely submit a lot of great outdoor and nature shots. Fact of life is, that not many of us do - we live in boring places full of concrete and in dull weather. So the popular shot is the indoor shot.

I honestly believe a great landscape will beat a great stock image 8 times out of 10 - it's just that those locations are not accessible by many.
03/24/2004 08:14:00 AM · #15
Originally posted by cbonsall:

but essentially the lighting etc is out of my hands.


Lighting shouldn't be out of your hands... When outdoors, I like to wait for a time that light is exactly right to take a picture. Granted, I can only do this once ina blue moon due to work and family committments.
03/24/2004 08:14:57 AM · #16
Originally posted by novetan:

So to settle the issue, yes, it was a duplication and the entry is not freshly taken. I'm just curious to see where do I stacked for at least a relevant photo. If it doesn't qualified to be posted with results, its OK with me.


but it's not ok! it wasn't qualified to participate in the challenge at all! and it doesn't "settle the issue"

Message edited by author 2004-03-24 08:19:25.
03/24/2004 08:15:31 AM · #17
true but, working all week, the only chance I get to go outside in the daylight during the winter is at the weekends so I'm pretty much stuck with whatever the weather is doing.
03/24/2004 08:22:50 AM · #18
Originally posted by novetan:

I'm getting quite tired of seeing one too often captured in various titles. One would able to take as many different shots as possible until the right one is captured. So where is the skill? Don't get me wrong, studio shot has its place and lighting is paramount important(eg. potraiture). I believed less skill is demanded as compare for a keen eye and awareness needed for an interesting subject in an outer natural enviroment.

I felt so bored seeing pencils or sticks lining up (parallel lines) or different arrangement of carrots and cups (orange) etc etc etc. Common members, you can do better than that.

Personally, I hope to see more of candid shots (meaning not posed). That will demand all aspect of skills of a photograher.


What I'm quite tired of is seeing this 'argument'. It happnes frequently. You apparently have no idea what it takes to create a nice still life image. You don't have any appreciation for them either apparently because there are always some great ones on this site each week.

Be open minded. Everyone won't see through your eyes. Photography is about much more than walking around with your camera and snapping things that draw your interest.

03/24/2004 08:24:31 AM · #19
Originally posted by jonpink:

To address the stock photography complaints - that I feel is down to locations and practicalities. If we all lived in beautiful places surrounded by mountains, lakes, hills, valleys, all teaming with life, then we would surely submit a lot of great outdoor and nature shots. Fact of life is, that not many of us do - we live in boring places full of concrete and in dull weather. So the popular shot is the indoor shot.

I honestly believe a great landscape will beat a great stock image 8 times out of 10 - it's just that those locations are not accessible by many.


I'm sympathetic to that point of view - I live in a big dust bowl now, after moving from one of the most beautiful wilderness areas in Europe. But it is often what you make of it - I've been to some of the places were what I consider the best landscape photography I've seen has been taken - and you wouldn't look twice. Well you would, but it wouldn't look anything like the pictures.

Point is - great landscape shots are everywhere, your eye just needs to work.
03/24/2004 08:27:22 AM · #20
Originally posted by cbonsall:

true but, working all week, the only chance I get to
go outside in the daylight during the winter is at the weekends so I'm pretty much stuck with whatever the weather is doing.


I hear you. I commute 3 hours each day from the suburbs of Toronto into the core of Toronto and back... I do not want to bring my camera to work either. So I'm also stuck with daylight only on the weekends.

This morning was beautiful. I left home at 6:30 am and the frost on the fields in combination with a slight fog and sunlight could have made many stunning photos. But... one has to work in order to pay for hobbies - unless of course your hobby becomes your work - but then it's no longer your hobby! :)
03/24/2004 08:28:36 AM · #21
Gordon I agree, and that's part of the fun IMO, but I live in Swindon

Where the most interesting thing here is a big roundabout. ;)
Swindon

However, I am moving in 2.5 weeks (yipeeeeeeeeee)

Ps: where in Scotland did you live?

Message edited by author 2004-03-24 08:30:13.
03/24/2004 08:35:46 AM · #22
Originally posted by jonpink:

Where the most interesting thing here is a big roundabout. ;)
Swindon


AAAHHHHHHhhhh! If I came upon something like that I think I would just have to pull over and sit there until somebody came to rescue me... That looks like sheer madness. :)
03/24/2004 08:38:09 AM · #23
Fairly new to DPC, but finding the cheating a bit discouraging, Novetan admitted to cheating in the parallel lines challenge and the original second placed entry in the portraits challenge was also taken outside of the allowed period.

Come on, whats the point its not that serious surely? My own entry for parallel lines was the best I could come up with in the time period, given the time and weather conditions I had available to take a suitable shot. My efforts gained new heights in mediocrity scoring a 5.1, but thats not the point, I would rather enter only the best I could take in the period or not at all (didn't get chance to enter the mag cover challenge).

If these two were cheating how many more in a challenge containing 300+ entries would be? Whats the penalty round here for receiving a DQ, would have thought they should be banned from taking part in any future challenges.

Steve
03/24/2004 08:41:00 AM · #24
Originally posted by jmsetzler:

Be open minded. Everyone won't see through your eyes. Photography is about much more than walking around with your camera and snapping things that draw your interest.


Fully agree, I enjoy making the in-house setups and trying to make a stunning picture with that, and I also enjoy going out and making the most of that, giving the circumstances.

Why not enjoy and also appreciate both ?

Who cares whether it is a setup, with most factors within your control (try it and you will find out whether this is true !!!), whether the picture is posed in-house, or whether it was a careful choice of subject,viewpoint, time of day, time of year outside ?
03/24/2004 08:41:45 AM · #25
Originally posted by jonpink:



However, I am moving in 2.5 weeks (yipeeeeeeeeee)

Ps: where in Scotland did you live?


Where are you moving to ? It must be better than Swindon :)

Originally in a small town called Helensburgh, on the bonnie banks of the Clyde (about 15 minutes drive from Loch Lomond/ Luss etc.)

Then for about 6 years in Glasgow

Message edited by author 2004-03-24 08:42:11.
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