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05/30/2008 11:10:43 PM · #1
Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:

Originally posted by BHuseman:

I just want to say that what I said earlier makes absolutely no sense at all. I know better than to come home and post messages on DP Challenge after a night of drinking, but I did it anyway.

Oh, what a rough night, soju, beer, and long island iced teas. What a rougher morning!

Sorry for rambling on about something that was idiotic!


HAHAHAHAHAHA I knew something was wrong Ben. How the hell have ya been man I haven't heard from ya in a while.


I am good Joe. How are you doing? I am in the final month of my tour in Korea so have been busy with getting everything ready to move. Pretty soon I will be freezing my behind in Greenland, and a year after that, defrosting it in Hawaii.
05/30/2008 10:52:36 PM · #2
Originally posted by BHuseman:

I just want to say that what I said earlier makes absolutely no sense at all. I know better than to come home and post messages on DP Challenge after a night of drinking, but I did it anyway.

Oh, what a rough night, soju, beer, and long island iced teas. What a rougher morning!

Sorry for rambling on about something that was idiotic!


HAHAHAHAHAHA I knew something was wrong Ben. How the hell have ya been man I haven't heard from ya in a while.
05/30/2008 10:00:24 PM · #3
I just want to say that what I said earlier makes absolutely no sense at all. I know better than to come home and post messages on DP Challenge after a night of drinking, but I did it anyway.

Oh, what a rough night, soju, beer, and long island iced teas. What a rougher morning!

Sorry for rambling on about something that was idiotic!
05/30/2008 07:08:46 PM · #4
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

That "This image has been validated" message is not displayed during voting any more, is it? I thought they quit doing that specifically for the issue that it affects voting - at least I haven't seen one in a very long time.


Yes it is. I saw one or 2 in the Movies challenge.
05/30/2008 06:52:47 PM · #5
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Originally posted by alanfreed:

For example, I can recall people requesting proof on shots of various landmarks because they live nearby and noticed something in the shot that may not have belonged there during the submission timeframe.

I can attest to that. I'm still looking for the person who ratted me out on this one...

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I think I remember that one. You added the street lamp in in post-processing, didn't you?
05/30/2008 04:46:44 PM · #6
Originally posted by BHuseman:

I too agree that having your image validated can help an image in votes. In fact I have submitted for prevalidation on a couple of occasions in hope that my image would have that statement below it so that voters would know that it is legit and vote based on the image and not whether or not they thought it was.

That "This image has been validated" message is not displayed during voting any more, is it? I thought they quit doing that specifically for the issue that it affects voting - at least I haven't seen one in a very long time.
05/30/2008 04:46:34 PM · #7
Originally posted by Venom:

Originally posted by MichaelC:

I always take a request for validation as a compliment.

While we are on this subject could we please remind the viewers to vote on the worth of the image even if they think it is illegal.

Thanks

I guess I'm getting off pretty lucky, I've never had a (knock on woood) "validation request" yet. I would still think that it should be taken as a compliment though.!


Im my submission on movies titles, I got 9--> 1s. And I don 't think that it was a that bad shot or DNMC in any way (2001: Space Odyssey)
At the same time I got a DQ request

I think there is an obvious explanation for the 1s I got! And be sure that 9 (1s) is a personal score!
05/30/2008 04:41:25 PM · #8
Originally posted by bvy:

Validation is the sincerest form of flattery.


That's how I feel. I love pulling something off that someone thought couldn't be done.

In fact, I've gotten pretty good at predicting when someone will request a validation. Just happened on an image in scoring now. When I think it's likely, I submit my proof before voting even starts. That way the SC immediately has the files.
05/30/2008 04:05:13 PM · #9
Originally posted by alanfreed:

For example, I can recall people requesting proof on shots of various landmarks because they live nearby and noticed something in the shot that may not have belonged there during the submission timeframe.

I can attest to that. I'm still looking for the person who ratted me out on this one...

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05/30/2008 03:56:26 PM · #10
I must admit the misnomer in the title led me to believe that this was going to be related to the request for self-DG, NOT a validation request thread.

I found the subject amusing because I got a validation request......I've got two images in voting, one that's a 6.2xxx and one that's 4.5xxx.....guess which one got the request?

I kniow it has nothing to do with the score, but I seriously considered a DQ Request simply to save the aggravation of validating my image.

I shoot only in RAW, I have dial-up, and sometimes I forget to save an image with adjustments before I save for web and wipe out the history.

So validating this image is a real PITA......plus, there are personal reasons it irks me to get a validation request on this particular image.

Anyway......I've only gotten one or two in the past, and they were on good scoring images, so I was just kind of taken aback.
05/30/2008 01:56:28 PM · #11
I don't understand why the DNMC's even has some up. If someone is asking for validation on images they think don't fit the challenge than that isn't right.
05/30/2008 01:25:30 PM · #12
Originally posted by Manic:

Originally posted by BHuseman:

In all reality, I wish that validation requests could be extended to include validtion of whether or not an image meets the challenge. Say you think it is DNMC, you request a DNMC validation, and the submitter explains why they submitted what they did. If the SC voted that it does in fact meet the challenge then a note explaining why could be added to the image much like a validation note is added.

Whether or an image DNMC is totally up to the voter, and is in essence what the voting system is for - if an image doesnt meet the challenge, score it appropriately. I don't think it's the SC's place to make any judgements on DNMC issues...


And even IF the SC were allowed to rule on meeting the challenge, it wouldn't make any difference: the ones they thought didn't meet the challenge would get thrown out, sure, but the ones they DID find met the challenge would still get the low votes from voters who don't agree and get hammered in the end.

Unless Bhuseman's proposing a "This image meets the challenge" stamp during voting? jejeje™

R.

Message edited by author 2008-05-30 13:25:54.
05/30/2008 12:28:13 PM · #13
Originally posted by BHuseman:

In all reality, I wish that validation requests could be extended to include validtion of whether or not an image meets the challenge. Say you think it is DNMC, you request a DNMC validation, and the submitter explains why they submitted what they did. If the SC voted that it does in fact meet the challenge then a note explaining why could be added to the image much like a validation note is added.

Whether or an image DNMC is totally up to the voter, and is in essence what the voting system is for - if an image doesnt meet the challenge, score it appropriately. I don't think it's the SC's place to make any judgements on DNMC issues...
05/30/2008 11:38:07 AM · #14
As a whole I think the process is great. When there is an obvious question as to the validity it is very easy to point out what you think might be wrong. However, when you are slapped with two requests in two straight weeks one might begin to think that something is a bit fishy. But hey life goes on.

In all reality, I wish that validation requests could be extended to include validtion of whether or not an image meets the challenge. Say you think it is DNMC, you request a DNMC validation, and the submitter explains why they submitted what they did. If the SC voted that it does in fact meet the challenge then a note explaining why could be added to the image much like a validation note is added.

I too agree that having your image validated can help an image in votes. In fact I have submitted for prevalidation on a couple of occasions in hope that my image would have that statement below it so that voters would know that it is legit and vote based on the image and not whether or not they thought it was. I like, just extend it to make it better for everyone.

Again, for those that wonder, the box is Tide that I am standing on and I will be here all week.........

Oh, crap, forgot to add, that the opionions expressed here represent the opinions of myself and nobody else. They also do not represent any organization or entity and certainly are not indicitive of the views of any government or governing agency.

....There, I think I am covered....
Peace
Benjamin
05/30/2008 11:33:50 AM · #15
Validation is the sincerest form of flattery.
05/30/2008 11:08:19 AM · #16
Originally posted by jbsmithana:

I've had a few validation requests during my tenure here but have never been offended by them. I must admit I always get curious as to why the request was made, human nature I guess. It would be nice to know what the quetion or concern was either before or after the validation. Kind of like letting people know why they get DQed when they do.

If you ask us afterwards (via Help -> Contact Us), we'll probably be able to give you a rough idea what the original query was. However, we obviously won't send you the original request exactly, as we need to preserve the anonymity of the requestors.
05/30/2008 11:02:13 AM · #17
I've had a few validation requests during my tenure here but have never been offended by them. I must admit I always get curious as to why the request was made, human nature I guess. It would be nice to know what the quetion or concern was either before or after the validation. Kind of like letting people know why they get DQed when they do.

Message edited by author 2008-05-30 11:02:38.
05/30/2008 10:37:50 AM · #18
Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by HighNooner:

Guilty until proven innocent… Innocent until proven guilty...

It shouldn't make any difference whether someone requests proof of validity or investigation of wrongdoing. It's the same process, and either way is still treated as innocent until proven guilty. Imagine Olympic athletes demanding that "random dug tests" be called "random drug-free confirmations" to avoid any negative connotation. :-/


SO WE ARE ON DRUGS NOW SC??? just kidding

Oh ... And I am not being nice to the SC because I have a photo under consideration. I just love them. AND THAT IS FOR A FACT

Message edited by author 2008-05-30 10:40:19.
05/30/2008 10:35:25 AM · #19
Originally posted by SaraR:

Alan, I think it is rather unfortunate that you refer to it as DQ requests, rather than Validation requests - the former carries with it implications of guilt, whilst the latter suggests more of a puzzle to be solved.

Edit typo - latter/matter


Agree with that wholeheartedly.
05/30/2008 10:24:19 AM · #20
Originally posted by MichaelC:

I always take a request for validation as a compliment.

While we are on this subject could we please remind the viewers to vote on the worth of the image even if they think it is illegal.

Thanks

I guess I'm getting off pretty lucky, I've never had a (knock on woood) "validation request" yet. I would still think that it should be taken as a compliment though.!
05/30/2008 10:22:36 AM · #21
Originally posted by HighNooner:

Guilty until proven innocent… Innocent until proven guilty...

It shouldn't make any difference whether someone requests proof of validity or investigation of wrongdoing. It's the same process, and either way is still treated as innocent until proven guilty. Imagine Olympic athletes demanding that "random dug tests" be called "random drug-free confirmations" to avoid any negative connotation. :-/
05/30/2008 10:17:45 AM · #22
Originally posted by hopper:

you don't think you're reading into things a bit?

did Alan say guilty until proven innocent?

Originally posted by HighNooner:

Originally posted by hopper:

unfortunate for whom?

Originally posted by SaraR:

Alan, I think it is rather unfortunate that you refer to it as DQ requests, rather than Validation requests - the former carries with it implications of guilt, whilst the matter suggests more of a puzzle to be solved.


Guilty until proven innocent… Innocent until proven guilty: That is whom!


It's a valid point. Language has a lot of weight. A "validation request" sounds a lot more neutral than a "DQ request". And heaven knows that's how I view it when I make one; in my mind I am NOT "asking SC to disqualify a picture", I am "asking SC if this image is valid", and there's a big difference, because I don't KNOW, see?

R.
05/30/2008 10:16:14 AM · #23
my thoughts as well ... i was remaining calm :)

Originally posted by HighNooner:

Innocent... Guilty.. what ever... where I come from there are much much bigger things to worry about.

05/30/2008 10:12:22 AM · #24
Originally posted by hopper:

you don't think you're reading into things a bit?

did Alan say guilty until proven innocent?

Originally posted by HighNooner:

Originally posted by hopper:

unfortunate for whom?

Originally posted by SaraR:

Alan, I think it is rather unfortunate that you refer to it as DQ requests, rather than Validation requests - the former carries with it implications of guilt, whilst the matter suggests more of a puzzle to be solved.


Guilty until proven innocent… Innocent until proven guilty: That is whom!


Take it easy... I am just trying to explain what I think ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_F.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_F.gif', '/') + 1) . ' SaraR said.
Innocent... Guilty.. what ever... where I come from there are much much bigger things to worry about. Believe me. Peace.
05/30/2008 10:08:37 AM · #25
you don't think you're reading into things a bit?

did Alan say guilty until proven innocent?

Originally posted by HighNooner:

Originally posted by hopper:

unfortunate for whom?

Originally posted by SaraR:

Alan, I think it is rather unfortunate that you refer to it as DQ requests, rather than Validation requests - the former carries with it implications of guilt, whilst the matter suggests more of a puzzle to be solved.


Guilty until proven innocent… Innocent until proven guilty: That is whom!

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