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05/05/2008 07:44:07 PM · #26 |
I can see the backdrop, it appears bluish with wrinkles in it. Odd, I was just looking at this photo on the challenges too.
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05/05/2008 10:33:30 PM · #27 |
Thanks everyone for the replies.
Seems to be a difference between calibrated and uncalibrated. Just wondering if it was money well spent on the Spider 2.
If everyone doesn't have their monitors calibrated we may not be seeing the same image (well, same image but colors may vary).
Judi, I'm glad you replied to this thread. Glad it helped you also and nice to know that you see a black background also.
I'm at work now and even the work LCD shows black and it has not been calibrated.
Cheers
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05/05/2008 10:42:11 PM · #28 |
I see dead people.
... and blue, wrinkled background. |
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05/05/2008 10:45:11 PM · #29 |
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05/05/2008 10:48:04 PM · #30 |
| I also see a blue wrinkled background. |
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05/05/2008 11:07:20 PM · #31 |
| I see a blue wrinkled background, but I have the brightest monitor known to man. It's a good shot otherwise though. |
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05/05/2008 11:08:20 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by rennie:
Originally posted by bvy:
I saw them instantly. Looks like a dark blue velvet curtain with wrinkles running from left to right -- and a horizontal wrinkle (?) just above and to the left of the hand. |
I see exactly the same. Very, very visible. LG E200 notebook 12.1” WXGA(1280X800) not calibrated. |
Ditto. With an uncalibrated Inspiron6400 |
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05/05/2008 11:14:26 PM · #33 |
My monitor is calibrated and I see black.
Judi has a calibrated monitor and sees black.
Other with calibrated monitors see black.
So...if you don't see black you need to adjust your screen until you see a black background.
Ha Ha .... good luck. |
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05/05/2008 11:21:03 PM · #34 |
| Mine's calibrated and I see blue wrinkled. It's definitely not a solid colour. Maybe doing a curves adjustment, selecting the black point as the lightest point in the background. Also, running your cursor around the image in PS will tell you whether it's black or not. |
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05/05/2008 11:32:07 PM · #35 |
Darn, so even calibrated sees the backdrop.
Don't know the answer now then. |
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05/05/2008 11:35:40 PM · #36 |
I didn't see it until I downloaded it and pumped up the brightness... Perhaps I should un-calibrate my monitor.
I could have brand new black velvet, ironed and spend three days on the shot and not get in the top 50. I am amazed that people like Judi can throw a wrinkled old back drop up and come close to a ribbon. |
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05/05/2008 11:41:51 PM · #37 |
Original:
Here's a brightened version for those of you that can't see the wrinkles.
Edited:
I can just see the wrinkles with my monitor but I have to be at the right angle. My personal opinion is it's not enough to worry about because it still made top 10. Congratulations by the way  Judi!! |
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05/05/2008 11:56:16 PM · #38 |
If it means anything, on my 3rd monitor I can still see the backdrop, and on this one I cannot see the difference between the last two black squares in the challenge voting view strip (the one that goes from white to black) so the monitor is definitively not cranked up in brightness.
Again, the lines are there, and most likely would have shown up in the print if one was made out of that jpeg. However, as I said before, I like the shot even more with it, but that's just me. I like the imperfection these days more than ideal, filtered out noiseless images... |
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05/06/2008 12:06:28 AM · #39 |
Originally posted by robs:
I just see black whichever way I look at the screen.... |
I take it back... I do see the blue... It's dark in this room whereas earlier there was a lot more light (same monitor, same location).
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05/06/2008 12:08:55 AM · #40 |
I can see some very faint blue wrinkles on my uncalibrated monitor at home. I'll take another look in the morning on the one at work, which is calibrated.
Edited to add: On my calibrated monitor at work the wrinkles are more clearly visible.
Message edited by author 2008-05-06 08:42:22. |
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05/06/2008 02:07:38 AM · #41 |
| I see a pure black background. My screen is calibrated. On my laptop..I can see the wrinkles, not calibrated. I have had several submissions (including a current one) where this very thing has happen to me. |
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05/06/2008 06:37:41 AM · #42 |
I have 2 monitures, both uncalibrated.
But on the laptop, i see all black, on the other, I have cranked teh brightness up, so I can compare my editing with the laptop screen. So on that i can see the blue.
It has really helped me see things differently haveing the 2 screens, |
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05/06/2008 07:51:14 AM · #43 |
what are we supposed to see? if I see dark navy blue with 'detail' is that right or is it supposed to be black?
I think this is a fabulous shot... |
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05/06/2008 08:26:01 AM · #44 |
| My screen is uncalibrated, and the background is obvious (the first thing I noticed). I'm confused about why an uncalibrated monitor would show more detail than a calibrated one. Any ideas? |
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05/06/2008 08:53:13 AM · #45 |
Originally posted by Bebe:
My screen is uncalibrated, and the background is obvious (the first thing I noticed). I'm confused about why an uncalibrated monitor would show more detail than a calibrated one. Any ideas? |
Think of color slides being projected on a screen: too bright a bulb, too close to the screen you have a washed out looking projected image. Too dim a bulb, too far from the screen, you have a murky, dark image. Monitors are like that, the image you are viewing is a "projected" image; as opposed to a print, where the image is "reflected", formed by light bouncing off a surface (the paper).
Any monitor, basically, can be adjusted so it is "too dark" or "too bright". How do you know which is which? For all practical purposes, if you process an image so it prints properly, then you know your monitor is calibrated correctly if what you see on the monitor is the same as what you see in the print. If your monitor calibration doesn't agree with what you are printing out (prints look darker or brighter than the monitor image) then you have a problem.
It's actually much more complicated than that when you get down to the nitty gritty (you need to take into account printer profiles and a bunch of other things) but the principle obtains: "too dark" and "too bright" only have meaning if they are measured against some reasonably objective standard.
R. |
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05/06/2008 04:02:53 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Bebe:
My screen is uncalibrated, and the background is obvious (the first thing I noticed). I'm confused about why an uncalibrated monitor would show more detail than a calibrated one. Any ideas? |
Think of color slides being projected on a screen: too bright a bulb, too close to the screen you have a washed out looking projected image. Too dim a bulb, too far from the screen, you have a murky, dark image. Monitors are like that, the image you are viewing is a "projected" image; as opposed to a print, where the image is "reflected", formed by light bouncing off a surface (the paper).
Any monitor, basically, can be adjusted so it is "too dark" or "too bright". How do you know which is which? For all practical purposes, if you process an image so it prints properly, then you know your monitor is calibrated correctly if what you see on the monitor is the same as what you see in the print. If your monitor calibration doesn't agree with what you are printing out (prints look darker or brighter than the monitor image) then you have a problem.
It's actually much more complicated than that when you get down to the nitty gritty (you need to take into account printer profiles and a bunch of other things) but the principle obtains: "too dark" and "too bright" only have meaning if they are measured against some reasonably objective standard.
R. |
On that note....my Monitors are calibrated. I send all my printing to Brisbane (1000 kilometers away). 24 hours after uploading my order, I have my prints on my front patio. And guess what...they look the same as what I see on my Monitor. My prints cover a huge range from food to action, colour to black and white, studio to outdoors.
How does this relate to what we are discussing here.
Easy. My prints come back looking how they look on my Monitor.....therefore...the Chess image, that looks BLACK on my monitors will come back from my printers, black. Therefore...the ones that see the blue or wrinkles....are either looking at the screens at odd angles forcing the light to pick up different shades....or your monitors are not calibrated.
I am not saying this is a bad thing...but as I said earlier....it makes one wonder how much this type of issue effects voting on your entries and others entries.
Food for thought.
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05/06/2008 04:09:43 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by Judi:
NOTE - For the viewers who saw nekkid women and little leprachauns....go and take your meds.....hehehehe! |
nekkid Leprachauns? |
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05/06/2008 04:17:59 PM · #48 |
| The first time I just noticed the "thing" under the first soldier but I liked the perspective and thought I could try to do something like this myself.... now I also see a blue wrinkled background. |
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05/06/2008 04:18:43 PM · #49 |
I'm still learning about all the technological aspects of photography, so maybe I'm just naive, but if you want to have a flat black background, why wouldn't you shoot in front of a flat black background?
You're right though, if I hadn't have tilted my screen it would have looked black, but I wanted to know what the fuss was about.
I'd sure love to be able to send my images to a printer and have them look the same as they do on my monitor! The place I send them to, cuts of the edges. :( |
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05/06/2008 04:20:38 PM · #50 |
Originally posted by RamblinR:
Darn, so even calibrated sees the backdrop.
Don't know the answer now then. |
The background is black for me, but then my monitor is calibrated to a D50 white point when others may well be using a D65 one.
Don't know if that affects things :-)
(Adds extra technical dimension and sidles away...) |
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