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05/05/2008 05:14:00 PM · #1
This is a great shot and came 10th for Judi (well done Judi). There are a couple of comments about seeing a line in the background on the black or wrinkles on the background (along those lines anyway).

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I had been concerned for some time that my screen colors are probably not right so I purchased a Spider2. I have calibrated the screen using it and thought that I was right to go.

For those that have calibrated screens what is the background like for you.

For me it is 'BLACK', I don't see any marks are wrinkles.
05/05/2008 05:15:50 PM · #2
I can see what appear to be blue streaks running from upper left to lower right, very faint but visible. I would not have noticed if not looking for them imho. More like from top center to right center.

I should add that I am using a Dell 993s CRT monitor which has not been calibrated.

Message edited by author 2008-05-05 17:20:24.
05/05/2008 05:19:11 PM · #3
I see the blue streaks also, I think it is creases in the background material. Other than it is a good photo. But, yes, you are right about the background.

Seems my laptop, uncalibrated, matches yours. :)

On second thoughts, perhaps I am seeing more detail than your orginal post!!

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Message edited by author 2008-05-05 17:21:52.
05/05/2008 05:20:02 PM · #4
I saw them instantly. Looks like a dark blue velvet curtain with wrinkles running from left to right -- and a horizontal wrinkle (?) just above and to the left of the hand.
05/05/2008 05:20:07 PM · #5
RamblinR, I saw that comment on your submission and was wondering myself what it was referring to. Personally, I see nothing but black in the background on both my work computer and my home computer (the latter one being hardware calibrated).
05/05/2008 05:20:12 PM · #6
If I look strait at it (directly in front of my screen) Its looks perfect, but if I look from a side veiw, I can see the wrinkles/lines.
I have a cheaper lcd 17'' screen, and I do look at my images from all veiws, especially being a black background. Caught that by accident once, now I make sure and look. (on my own work, not when voting)
The picture is awesome, despite the bg, I would have never noticed.
05/05/2008 05:20:39 PM · #7
I see a naked woman. :P
05/05/2008 05:25:16 PM · #8
Originally posted by liberty:

If I look strait at it (directly in front of my screen) Its looks perfect, but if I look from a side veiw, I can see the wrinkles/lines.
I have a cheaper lcd 17'' screen, and I do look at my images from all veiws, especially being a black background. Caught that by accident once, now I make sure and look. (on my own work, not when voting)
The picture is awesome, despite the bg, I would have never noticed.


Same with my screen. If I'm sitting, looking straight on, it looks solid black. If I stand and look down or from the side, I can see the blue wrinkles.
05/05/2008 05:32:17 PM · #9
OK, if I look from an angle I can see the slight blue from the draping also but I think your meant to view the screen from in front (lol).

Hmmm.

Those that see the color difference whilst looking at their screen directly, do you have calibrated monitors?
05/05/2008 05:33:43 PM · #10
calibrated iMac 20": perfect black (no wrinkles).
uncalibrated iBook G4 12": very faint wrinkles when straining to see them in head-on view; at increased viewing angle: visible wrinkles.
05/05/2008 05:34:21 PM · #11
I also see several white dots in the upper right hand corner just above the wrist.
05/05/2008 05:35:11 PM · #12
Originally posted by liberty:

If I look strait at it (directly in front of my screen) Its looks perfect, but if I look from a side veiw, I can see the wrinkles/lines.
I have a cheaper lcd 17'' screen, and I do look at my images from all veiws, especially being a black background. Caught that by accident once, now I make sure and look. (on my own work, not when voting)
The picture is awesome, despite the bg, I would have never noticed.


Exactly the same for me...on a Dell 2407FP (not calibrated).
05/05/2008 05:35:45 PM · #13
I'll have to look again when I get home but here at work I do see the backdrop....and a wee leprechaun hiding his pot of gold. (No wonder it did so well!)

Strangely (or not so) if I look at it from a lower angle the details in the backdrop disappear. Looking at it from a slightly higher angle makes the backdrop more visible. Of course this is on an LCD.

Message edited by author 2008-05-05 17:51:06.
05/05/2008 05:37:20 PM · #14
I just opened the image and saw the dark blue-velvety backdrop. The blue also shows up left right above the figures.
This is the LCD. The other monitor (CRT) it was not immediately visible. Mostly because I knew those 'faults' were there, I was able to see them again.

Not that it is bad - I expected a backdrop to be used with a shot like this one, and it only adds reality, does not subtract anything IMO. But that's me.
05/05/2008 05:51:02 PM · #15
with this 22" HP f2105 screen i can see the blue even in the thumb,when opened full size you can definitly see a wrinkled blue velvet/matte-type background,dosent hurt the shot too much,but i guess thats opinion...
05/05/2008 05:57:10 PM · #16
Originally posted by bvy:

I saw them instantly. Looks like a dark blue velvet curtain with wrinkles running from left to right -- and a horizontal wrinkle (?) just above and to the left of the hand.


I see exactly the same. Very, very visible. LG E200 notebook 12.1 WXGA(1280X800) not calibrated.
05/05/2008 05:57:22 PM · #17
I just see black whichever way I look at the screen....
05/05/2008 05:59:45 PM · #18
I can see it but only if i look at the screen from the side. I can't see it when i look at it straight.
05/05/2008 06:00:40 PM · #19
looks over-sharpened ;}


05/05/2008 06:14:17 PM · #20
The backdrop is (just) visible on my laptop screen, which has only a software "calibration." I do, however, keep it set up as close to optimal as I can get without a hardware calibration. Many LCD screens are brighter than is optimal, and *will* show easily visible differences in extremely dark tones where a properly calibrated monitor won't.
Those who see it more easily when viewing off axis are seeing the variation of gamma with viewing angle for LCDs. All LCD screens do this to some degree, TN panels are worst, s-IPS panels best, and PVA panels somewhere in between. The majority of LCD monitors are *not* s-IPS panels.
05/05/2008 06:14:23 PM · #21
Thankyou so much everyone for your input on this. I received those comments during the challenge and it had me baffled. It was a 5 minute shoot in the middle of chaos....but I wanted to enter something...so my setup was not as precise as I would have liked. I used a blue, thick material for the background and due to the outdoor sunlight I used, it showed up more black than blue....to my advantage....but the creases were visible in the setup...but not so on the computer. My monitors have been calibrated so that might be the difference with viewers...calibrated to uncalibrated.

I appreciate all the feedback and hope that others realise that their monitors can have a detrimental effect on their voting on others images as well as votes received on their own images.

NOTE - For the viewers who saw nekkid women and little leprachauns....go and take your meds.....hehehehe!
05/05/2008 06:18:48 PM · #22
On my calibrated LaCie ElectronBlue screen, the tonalities are flawless. On my neighbor's (uncalibrated) LCD screen the BG flaws are obvious...

R.

05/05/2008 06:24:40 PM · #23
Just posted on the shot, on my calibrated wide gamut screen it looks great.. no sign of the backdrop.
05/05/2008 07:18:53 PM · #24
On my Eye-one calibrated 19" Viewsonic P930b I can just discern a couple
of diagonal lines. But only if I look at it in a darkened room and look at the image for at least 60 seconds. So I think you hit it close on the head with what you had to work on. Without this discussion I doubt I'd have seen them, or if I had they'd not have affected my scoring on the image.
05/05/2008 07:30:40 PM · #25
Only see them if viewed from the side and then the image looks flat.
Only calibration I have is Adobe Gamma, but seems to work.
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