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03/18/2004 11:40:30 AM · #1
Hi,
I asked a work friend to look at my future submission for orange - I asked him the colour he thought he saw (since I was worried others may not see that my subject was actually "orange."). He could tell it was orange, but said his son wouldn't see it as orange since his son is colour blind. Oh my. Apparently, a big percentage of the population (particularly among men, for some reason) have trouble seeing the colour orange. Hope this doesn't affect judging. :)
03/18/2004 11:43:57 AM · #2
I think I'll go for a B&W submission to save that potential problem.
03/18/2004 11:45:29 AM · #3
If they don't see orange, what color do they see? Or do they see a shade a grey? (Not poking fun, I'm curious!)
03/18/2004 11:50:49 AM · #4
For any sort of Challenge or contest, I would hope that people are sensible enough to NOT vote on anything they can't appreciate or are obviously not qualified to judging fairly. (Sort of like asking me to judge Russian poetry or some vintage wine).

Message edited by author 2004-03-18 11:51:25.
03/18/2004 11:54:20 AM · #5
Probably they will simply trust you that it is orange and vote on whether it is a good photograph.
03/18/2004 11:56:15 AM · #6
I am red/green 'color weak' or at least weak enough that the air force screened me out after doing their test. I am able to and do fly privately though.
I can see red and green but if you have a picture of several green or red tones that are fairly close – particularly dark ones, they may all look like one color to me... Color deficiency is something you are born with and it will never get worse or better...

I don’t see it as a different color – I am just not able to separate the different tones very well…
03/18/2004 12:00:41 PM · #7
I guess the color-blind voters will just have to just trust that the photographer is not color- blind too and what he are she see is actually orange.

My son is color-blind and he can pick out orange. He says he sees orange, but it's just not what I would think is orange. It's weird.
03/18/2004 01:20:07 PM · #8
It is interesting and your right lots of folks out there have some symptoms one way or another. Lets hope the people that don't see orange will be away on vacation....or....will vote high because of their disability. :)
If you look in the forums you'll see that this has been discussed several times. Here is one link-
//www.dpchallenge.com/forum.php?action=read&FORUM_THREAD_ID=73209
03/18/2004 01:54:00 PM · #9
It can be a very weird thing to try to describe. As described above, it's not that any specific color looks grey. Its just that certain shades of some colors become hard to distinguish. It also can depend on the colors around it. Often times, if you show me two similar shades in a certain range separately, I may think they are the same color. But when you put them together, I can see a difference.

As far as orange goes, for me at least, for the most part orange should be a "safe" color. Orange cones, pumpkins - "kindergarten orange" colored things - won't be a problem. Oranges that are very close to red might be. But then I'll get some assistance from my "seeing eye people" - my wife and daughter. :)
03/18/2004 04:36:04 PM · #10
Originally posted by scalvert:

For any sort of Challenge or contest, I would hope that people are sensible enough to NOT vote on anything they can't appreciate or are obviously not qualified to judging fairly. (Sort of like asking me to judge Russian poetry or some vintage wine).


LOL LOL
03/18/2004 04:39:08 PM · #11
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03/18/2004 06:57:02 PM · #12
Originally posted by GeneralE:

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Hehe, maybe we should quiz the voters with this first and make sure they can see the #s on the right two boards. ^_^
03/18/2004 06:59:58 PM · #13
there are numbers on all the boards...
03/18/2004 07:07:41 PM · #14
Originally posted by Ami Yuy:

Hehe, maybe we should quiz the voters with this first and make sure they can see the #s on the right two boards. ^_^

Trying to get me disqualified?
03/18/2004 07:46:24 PM · #15
Originally posted by soup:

there are numbers on all the boards...


Yeah, but the right are made from only orange and red spots.

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Trying to get me disqualified?


Lol, of course not. ^_^
03/18/2004 08:07:48 PM · #16
Originally posted by soup:

there are numbers on all the boards...


Show off.
03/18/2004 08:26:49 PM · #17
An interesting take overall.

The concern has been with a color blind person not being able to distinguish orange and perhaps voting a lower score because they don't see orange.

By the same code of conduct, how will those who properly see orange judge a photograph that does not contain the color orange? How can you be certain the artist is not color blind?

Given the concern, voting a low score on any photograph that does not contain the color orange may not be a good idea.

My question is, how many people who are color blind don't realize they cannot distinguish certain colors?
03/18/2004 09:52:19 PM · #18
I don't know for sure, but I'd bet most people who are, know that they are. Trust me, you can only say "its the red one over there", jus to hear that there is no "red one over there" so many times before you'd get the clue. I can remember my mom taking me to kindergarten and informing the teacher I was color blind. So I've known it at least since I was 10. :)

Message edited by author 2004-03-18 21:54:39.
03/18/2004 09:56:57 PM · #19
Oh, and for my voting, I won't vote anyone down on "not meeting the challenge" without verifying first. On the other hand, I wouldn't want any special consideration if I screw up and submit something with no orange. It's my job to make sure I've got the right color. If I don't, I should be penalized just like anyone else.
03/18/2004 10:38:43 PM · #20
Originally posted by ScottK:

I don't know for sure, but I'd bet most people who are, know that they are. Trust me, you can only say "its the red one over there", jus to hear that there is no "red one over there" so many times before you'd get the clue. I can remember my mom taking me to kindergarten and informing the teacher I was color blind. So I've known it at least since I was 10. :)


You didn't start kindergarden until you were 10? Wow. I started at 4 and 1/2. <g>
03/18/2004 10:42:42 PM · #21
I can tell if a color is orange by reading the color values in the Photoshop Info window.
03/18/2004 11:15:41 PM · #22
Scott, did you ever attend school in Santa Ana; and Paul have you ever lived in Orange?

Odds are the answer is no to both questions, but I've known people by these names so I thought I would ask.
03/18/2004 11:19:32 PM · #23
I found a website that supposedly simulates colorblindness. It's vischeck.com. None of the actual web functions worked for me but they have a photoshop plugin which I downloaded. I pulled Kosta's photo from the Orange thread and ran the three different filters on it.

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Deuteranope (a form of red/green color deficit)

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Protanope (another form of red/green color deficit)

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Tritanope (a blue/yellow deficit- very rare)

I'm not sure how differenly it would fare with other photos, this is the only one I've tried it with. The website also has an algorithm that's supposed to fix pictures for people with colorblindness. Anyway, these might be interesting to play around with.
03/18/2004 11:35:25 PM · #24
Originally posted by garrywhite2:

Scott, did you ever attend school in Santa Ana; and Paul have you ever lived in Orange?

Odds are the answer is no to both questions, but I've known people by these names so I thought I would ask.

Nope -- I'm a northern California native. I've been to Orange County though.
03/19/2004 12:06:49 AM · #25
Originally posted by GeneralE:

Nope -- I'm a northern California native. I've been to Orange County though.


Whew! Off the hook. Paul Marcus was my manager when I was 11 years old and delivered papers for The Register. He would know a few things about me =)
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