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03/14/2004 01:46:52 AM · #1
The challenge for portraits says that it traditionally is a shot of a face. Do you think that a shot that is from the waist/stomach up qualifies as a portrait or do you think that a shot like that would be scored down?
I wish I could give an axample but I don;t have one right now. Any help would be good at this point as I struggle to shoose a good shot for the challenge.
03/14/2004 02:30:41 AM · #2
Originally posted by Rooster:

The challenge for portraits says that it traditionally is a shot of a face. Do you think that a shot that is from the waist/stomach up qualifies as a portrait or do you think that a shot like that would be scored down?
I wish I could give an axample but I don;t have one right now. Any help would be good at this point as I struggle to shoose a good shot for the challenge.


You mean a pose like:
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I would consider it a portrait. Of course, a possible "10" from one person doesn't make a difference if 100 people gives you a "1". So you may want to get a consesus first.

Message edited by author 2004-03-14 02:33:45.
03/14/2004 02:39:23 AM · #3
Hey Welland!

I knew you'd come thru!
Well, yes, a shot like that but with a wider crop.
It's wierd, I was just gonna post that shot.
THanks!
03/14/2004 02:52:25 AM · #4
I think most people would find it to meet the challenge if the main focus is on the face. So the more of the face is shown in the picture you should be fine.
03/14/2004 02:58:56 AM · #5
Yeah, that's what I figured. But the shot I want to use I think is too wide of a crop. Guess I gotta go back check things over. This is the part of the challenge I hate the most... choosing a pic!
03/14/2004 03:02:03 AM · #6
No entry from me again. Just hoping for a potential speed challenge on Wednesday ;)
03/14/2004 03:11:29 AM · #7
Originally posted by faidoi:

No entry from me again. Just hoping for a potential speed challenge on Wednesday ;)


DO you think that there will be one? Already a free study challenge. Seems unlikely that there would a speed challenge this month.

How come you've been out of the game for so long?
03/14/2004 03:16:46 AM · #8
One just has to look at the British BP portrait awards to see
what a portrait is.
//www.npg.org.uk/live/bp2003w.asp
03/14/2004 02:56:05 PM · #9
Originally posted by goodman:

One just has to look at the British BP portrait awards to see
what a portrait is.
//www.npg.org.uk/live/bp2003w.asp


Thanks GM. And while I know what the traditional def. is for portraits, I am really interested in getting a consensus on whether there is some variation that folks are willing to consider as portraits & fitting the challenge if the shot is a bit wider to include the upper body as well.
Any further thoughts would be appreciated!
03/14/2004 03:05:05 PM · #10
Well, of the majority of the portraits i have seen/done, they are not limited to just the face...
What i really wanted to show was that your imagination's the limit:
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03/14/2004 03:19:18 PM · #11
I'm hoping that there won't be TOO much of obsessive paying attention to the use of the word "face" in the challenge description.

A portrait is fundamentally capturing a person - yes, traditionally just the face but not exclusively.

Not saying anything about my own entry, mind ;-)
03/14/2004 03:57:21 PM · #12
Originally posted by Tranquil:

Well, of the majority of the portraits i have seen/done, they are not limited to just the face...
What i really wanted to show was that your imagination's the limit:
' . substr('//www.rit.edu/~andpph/self-portrait-1.jpg', strrpos('//www.rit.edu/~andpph/self-portrait-1.jpg', '/') + 1) . '


Holy Crap! That is so awesome! I'm still brooding over which shot/crop I should use. The voting could be rigid or loose. One nevers knows.
03/14/2004 03:58:20 PM · #13
When I saw what the challenge was, I thought it wasn't for me, but I have entered. I know this one isn't going to score well, but I like it and hopefully one or two voters will too.
03/14/2004 04:10:52 PM · #14
Although, as the challenge description says, a portrait typically captures the face of a person, it doesn't always and nor does it always need to.

As far as I am concerned a portrait should convey something about the subject - about their personality, about their behaviour, about their inner feelings, about their thoughts.

I entered an image with no face at all (shock, horror) into the self-portrait challenge last year.

I knew I'd receive some low votes because people didn't appreciate the nudity and I knew I'd receive some low votes because my image didn't match some peoples' defintion of "portrait" and that's OK. They are all entitled to their opinion.

But most of the comments I received really made me feel that I made the right decision in entering it because they showed that a few people did get what the image was about and why I felt it to be appropriate for a portrait challenge.

I intend to keep an open mind during voting and I hope others do the same.

Rooster, in answer to your question, you'll likely find that most people feel that, as long as your image contains a face, it's a portrait but that a few feel that only head and shoulders shots fit the bill. Decide what your aim is (scoring highly, getting feedback on the shot you like the best, improving your skills in traditional portraiture) and enter accordingly!

And GOOD LUCK!

(PS I haven't entered).
03/14/2004 04:14:55 PM · #15
Kavey,

Sounds like it was brilliant & bold. What am I aiming at? I think a bit of all that you offered up. Mostly, I want it to express a feeling. I think the tight crop kinda takes away from that. THe widest crop is the one I really want to use but I think I will go with something in between.
We'll see what happens!
03/14/2004 04:21:31 PM · #16
Originally posted by Rooster:

Kavey,

Sounds like it was brilliant & bold. What am I aiming at? I think a bit of all that you offered up. Mostly, I want it to express a feeling. I think the tight crop kinda takes away from that. THe widest crop is the one I really want to use but I think I will go with something in between.
We'll see what happens!


Depends on the model. Check out some of Paiges' photos. Some great emotion from the close crop.

Wide or tight shot, who cares as long as it's a good shot and you had fun shooting it.

Message edited by author 2004-03-14 16:23:53.
03/14/2004 04:23:16 PM · #17
Brilliant? I was very pleased with it and it seemed to touch a few people deeply but it could certainly never be classed as brilliant or even very good. Bold? It was hard to enter it, I almost chickened out, so it certainly felt bold to me but there have been many many bolder entries over the time I've been a participant here.

You are welcome to view my profile to view the image if it interests you and to add any comment to it should you wish.

Good luck with your entry for this upcoming challenge.
03/14/2004 04:26:59 PM · #18
Thanks for that link to Paige's work Fadoi.

I think this is a marvellous, unconventional portrait:

//www.dpchallenge.com/image.php?IMAGE_ID=14345

Message edited by author 2004-03-14 16:27:08.
03/14/2004 04:36:45 PM · #19
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03/14/2004 04:38:36 PM · #20
Originally posted by GeneralE:

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lol Great title :)
03/14/2004 05:05:51 PM · #21
I`ve never tried a serious attempt at portraiture and thought long and hard about whether to submit for this..finally,I decided to go ahead on the basis that if I don`t..then what am I going to learn ?

Took me forever to decide between two images..one conventional..the other slightly different...in for a penny..in for a pound as we say over here, I`ve gone for the experimental one..I`ve got a feeling I won`t be short of comments..but I`ll certainly learn something from this.

Gordon
03/15/2004 05:46:57 AM · #22
Hello Rooster,

I think that a portrait is a picture where you can see that the person on it is the subject. Nothing more nothing less. For example, look at the pictures of Anton Corbijn. Her is an examlple //www.middelbosch.com/costello.jpg

Harm

Message edited by author 2004-03-15 05:47:58.
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