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Canon EF 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 DO IS USM

04/01/2008 03:16:21 PM · #1

There seems to be a lot of "why won't anyone tell me why it scored low?" in the scoring threads. Anyone want to discuss their Patterns entry after the challenge ends? I'll bump this thread at rollover. Post your Patterns entry and an analysis of your own shot. Incorporate any insight from comments you may have achieved during voting. Then provide your assessment of the Pattern shot posted before yours. Be honest - if you don't like a shot, try to figure out why and express that tactfully. If you were put off by technical flaws, try to offer solutions in addition to pointing that out. And when you receive a comment, understand it is from a viewpoint other than your own. Try to understand what you've been offered. The point of this drill is to try to figure out why the score was lower than expected - which may or may not mean that your photograph is bad.

Anyone interested?

Oh, and I'll cover the last posted shot, and as many of the others as I can - I'll try to do all of them.

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cpanaioti

Canon EOS-40D

04/01/2008 03:17:32 PM · #2

This is a good idea but my entry does not need any further discussion. I know it's crap. ;oP

Yo_Spiff

Olympus OM-D E-M5 Mark III

Olympus 12-100mm f/4.0 M.Zuiko ED IS PRO

04/01/2008 03:27:32 PM · #3

I actually think mine is pretty good and the comments either have been very positive or were minor criticisms that did not have a consensus of opinion with each other. (With a pair of exceptions that I count as a single opinion.)

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SoulMan1978

Sony Alpha a55

Sony DT 18-70mm f/3.5-5.6 Aspherical ED Zoom Lens for Sony Alpha

04/01/2008 03:33:01 PM · #4

I'll be posting tomorrow :-)

posthumous

Canon EOS-40D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

04/01/2008 03:38:54 PM · #5

Yeah, I'm a candidate this time. I think I know the answer, but I'll give dpc the benefit of the doubt.

Kelli

Canon EOS-D60

Canon EF 28-135mm F/3.5-5.6 IS USM

04/01/2008 08:58:00 PM · #6

Mine isn't really that low by my current scoring "pattern", lol (in other words, it's currently over 5). But, where I used to be and where I am now seem to be two different planets. I doubt if anyone could explain to me why I love the things that other people go eh over, but I'll give it a try.

colorcarnival

Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mark III

Olympus 45mm f1.8 M.Zuiko Digital Micro Four Thirds

04/01/2008 09:15:49 PM · #7

Mine's actually scoring better than I thought it would - I was expecting a sub-5 score. I knew going in how it would be received so a little higher score is actually a nice surprise.

JulietNN

Canon EOS-7D

Tamron 16-300mm Di II VC PZD MACRO w/Canon Nikon mount

04/01/2008 09:18:59 PM · #8

I will put mine up for this. I can see patterns, but I think I am the only one lololol.

NikonJeb

Nikon D850

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 28-300mm f3.5-5.6G ED VR

04/01/2008 10:14:34 PM · #9

Oh, I am SUCH a shoe-in for this one since my first comment was from

Melethia and SHE said she liked it! LOL!!!

Olympus OM-D E-M5 Mark III

04/02/2008 12:13:35 AM · #10

The comments included with the entry were written at the time of submission. In essence, I figured that this may not meet the challenge for some, possibly a lot, of the voters. I suspect that is the case. It's also in B&W, which is not the favored medium of some, possibly a lot, of the voters. Both of these things contributed to the score. But suprisingly (and delightfully, I might add) there were some voters who saw what I wanted to show - that patterns are everywhere, we just need to look to see them. The two D-shaped tree planters, the three umbrellas near the top left, the stripes of the pedestrian crossing, the "twos" of people (though interrupted by onesies and a threesome), the curves running through it. But for a DPC challenge, it was definitely not a strong enough pattern to score well.

Edit to add - I take back the B&W statement. Three of the six ribbon winners (and nearly a fourth) for the open challenges this week are B&W. Too cool!!

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Yo_Spiff

Olympus 12-100mm f/4.0 M.Zuiko ED IS PRO

04/02/2008 12:27:42 AM · #11

Here's mine

I actually came pretty close to getting what I had envisioned. I wanted to show off the tread pattern and get the boldness of the black rubber against the yellow background.

The comments were generally positive, and looking at the breakdown, there were a good amount more high votes than the low ones, just enough low votes to drag it down.

Tootsweet had an interesting comment regarding my choice to slightly cut off the bottom of the tire. I had originally photographed this upside down from how I entered it, but thought this looked more like it was rolling on the ground. Therefore, I thought a tire suspended in midair would not look right.

The first two comments had me thinking someone had entered under two accounts, as their profiles are nearly the same and the comments almost identical. Seems there are some folks doing these challenges as a group learning experience. I would have preferred if they had offered their own individual opinions.

Additional notes are on the photo page.

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Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S21, S21+, S21 Ultra

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

04/02/2008 01:32:33 AM · #12

I didn't expect a high finish here, but I didn't expect I'd get crucified either. I'd have thought the title (Winter Fractal) was enough to clue people in to what kind of pattern I'm looking at, and I thought overall there was a nice, circular movement through the image as well. The comments, in general, show that people don't accept this as a pattern, though of course a few did. I can't offhand say I've learned anything from this, though :-) I mean, it is basically what I wanted it to be, and I have no particular misgivings or second thoughts about the image. It's just that people didn't care for it, and apparently a LOT of people thought it wasn't a pattern at all.

One of my worst scores ever...

R.

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Pentax FA J 75-300mm f/4.5-5.8 AL AF

04/02/2008 06:04:43 AM · #13

Any other takers?

And Bear, I forgot to add on yours that while I wouldn't expect it to score in the high 6s, I would have expected at least a mid-5.

gjumi

Pentax K-5

04/02/2008 06:52:51 AM · #14

Well, I'll give it a try, thanks for the offer.

The photo is this one:

Europa (In memoriam Arthur C. Clarke)

So, there's a passage on his second part of the Odyssey series where Floyd wakes up and sees his palm, but thinks that that's Europa. This made a big impression on me.

I'm a sort of happy with the image. Colours are a mixture of cold and warm, patterns, although not geometrical, are there, quite chaotic, the almost sphere is there, although a bit tilted, and the dark black space covers everything. The only trouble I had was should I have a sharp view at the edge of the image or not?

I'm happy with the coments I got for the image. Of course, I'm not happy with the score, but, actually I don't really mind. What I want to know is if Clarke's fans would appreciate this tribute?

Thanks.

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gjumi

Pentax K-5

Pentax FA J 75-300mm f/4.5-5.8 AL AF

04/02/2008 06:52:51 AM · #15

Deleting double post...

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NikonJeb

Nikon D850

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 28-300mm f3.5-5.6G ED VR

04/02/2008 06:55:46 AM · #16

I had a great time with this one! I didn't expect it to do well, and of course, it didn't, but this State Capitol building just popped right into my head as soon as I saw the challenge offered up. I was trying to capture the strange, yet beautiful collage/collision of all the different varied patterns in the architecture, and I think I did.

Melethia was my firstest and bestest commenter with this: It's busy, it's noisy, it's got a bit of handheld motion to it, and I really like it. Definitely a cacophony!

That's really pretty much where I was going and to have the originator of the "I really love my shot." gang give me that comment?

It just doesn't get any better than that!

Thanks, Deb!

Canon EOS-5D Mark IV

Canon EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS

04/02/2008 07:02:26 AM · #17

Originally posted by Melethia:

hadn't planned to give them out this time, but this really deserves a

. Was in my top 10 for the challenge for - exactly - showing patterns everywhere.

04/02/2008 07:06:40 AM · #18

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Thanks, Deb!

You're welcome! Now go back one of these days and shoot with a tripod (if they'll let you) and maybe at even more of an off-kilter angle. Try a few different angles and views. It really is quite the hodge-podge of architectural madness, isn't it?

timfythetoo

Apple iPhone 13 Pro

04/02/2008 07:06:49 AM · #19

Originally posted by eyewave:

Originally posted by Melethia:

hadn't planned to give them out this time, but this really deserves a . Was in my top 10 for the challenge for - exactly - showing patterns everywhere.

I believe that completes your set Deb. Well done!

Sony DT 18-70mm f/3.5-5.6 Aspherical ED Zoom Lens for Sony Alpha

04/02/2008 07:08:57 AM · #20

Originally posted by eyewave:

hadn't planned to give them out this time, but this really deserves a . Was in my top 10 for the challenge for - exactly - showing patterns everywhere.

VERY cool. Thank you kindly!!

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SoulMan1978

Sony Alpha a55

04/02/2008 07:22:06 AM · #21

Left you a comment

NikonJeb!

Kelli

Canon EOS-D60

Canon EF 28-135mm F/3.5-5.6 IS USM

04/02/2008 07:24:30 AM · #22

The patterns on this bud fasinated me, the way all that pinkness stood out from the stark green leaves IMO is beautiful. This is the ultimate in softness, the softest swirl I've seen. Pillow soft. I have no idea what this plant is called, I saw it and it only had the one bud. I bought it for my grandmother for Easter since I knew I wanted that bud for my patterns entry, lol. I can sit and look at this for a long time.

SoulMan1978

Sony Alpha a55

Sony DT 18-70mm f/3.5-5.6 Aspherical ED Zoom Lens for Sony Alpha

04/02/2008 07:25:07 AM · #23

Mine did about what I thought it would - quite pleased with the comments.

A couple of people did use the word 'odd' but couldn't put their finger on why - I did allude in my comments to the effect my pp had on the sky - maybe that's what they were thinking of - who knows?

ETA: Left you a comment

kelli.

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