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03/12/2004 04:58:14 AM · #1 |
| Sometimes I see in a thread about how some regard a comment from a person without a picture or a ribbon something that should be disregarded. I don't believe that's fair. Everybody has to start somewhere. |
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03/12/2004 05:08:41 AM · #2 |
Speaking as someone who participates as a commenter rather than entering challenges, I think it would be a shame for people to disregard comments on that basis... I have had some great feedback to some of my comments and I don't think they have been more or less useful because of my choice not to enter challenges.
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03/12/2004 05:31:56 AM · #3 |
Also the small number of pros on this site don't necessarily enter challenges. MeThoS being a good example.
For an amateur to be elitist on who they accept comments from seems a little silly, to me.. |
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03/12/2004 05:44:23 AM · #4 |
You are absolutely right. I just have a problem with the whiny disruptive type who have no experience in photography and became experts when they bought a camera yesterday.
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03/12/2004 05:45:11 AM · #5 |
Originally posted by Jacko:
You are absolutely right. I just have a problem with the whiny disruptive type who have no experience in photography and became experts when they bought a camera yesterday. |
True. |
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03/12/2004 06:07:01 AM · #6 |
By the same token, please forgive me if I don't take critique the same from some little twit who has obviously just registered, left a very negative toned critique as I do someone who has been on the site for a long time and is KNOWN to be a good photographer. I'm not talking the folks who are primarily commenters here - I'm talking the ones who've just registered, haven't downloaded a single picture or even a profile shot and who've made just a couple comments. I've received several of that type which generally do not jibe with the rest of the comments I received.
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03/12/2004 06:16:44 AM · #7 |
I welcome critique from everyone, however if their potfolio isn't to my tastes then obviously one is not going to take that comment onbord.
There is one photographer here whom seems to absolutly hate anything taken with an apature wider than f22 and after reading his 'needs to be in focus' on my image I really couldn't understand why. So I look at his profile and notice that he put the same remark on about 50 other images all with a shallow DOF.
I respect everyone opinions, but there is no way you can take them all onboard as you will always get conflicting comments. |
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03/12/2004 06:30:39 AM · #8 |
I think it's certainly natural to take more notice of comments from commenters who you can see have similar tastes and preferences to yourself and who have made comments to others that you agree with than comments from people who clearly feel very differently about an aspect of photography to yourself - ie people who don't like black and white where you do, don't like shallow DOF where you do etc.
I don't think fadoi was suggesting giving all comments equal weighting in your own assessment of them, nor taking onboard comments from people who are clearly being buttheads...
I think he was suggesting that it didn't make sense to disregard comments unless they were from ribbon winners/ high scorers.
Assess comments on their merit... that's what I think...
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03/12/2004 06:50:58 AM · #9 |
but everone has their own defenition to what a high score is: For some a 6+ is a great aceivement, others a 8 or 5 or 7 etc etc
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03/12/2004 07:00:50 AM · #10 |
| I am far from an expert but if I make a comment on a picture it is only my view,the photographer can either agree or disagree.if my point is valid then I have helped point something out to them. if not, nothing lost,at least I have made the effort, which is what the site is all about. |
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03/12/2004 07:11:16 AM · #11 |
Peecee I agree.
Hence why I was agreeing with Fadoi that it's surely better to decide whether or not to take heed of a comment based on what it SAYS and whether the commenter generally makes comments you agree with than ignore the comment regardless of it's content just because it's from a person without a ribbon.
I'll give up on this thread because I think the point I am trying to make (and the point I think Fadoi is trying to make) is being misread.
I'm NOT saying all comments should be taken onboard at ALL - not even slightly. I'm trying to say that it would be a waste and a shame for people to decide to ignore them if they don't come from a ribbon winner.
Nothing more than that...
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03/12/2004 07:15:03 AM · #12 |
No, your point is well taken - and I agree with what both Kavey and Fadoi are saying - I just put in a caveat - that while comments should be taken on their own merit, sometimes they just don't have a merit - and usually those that don't are from folks who've invested no time in the site in any way.
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03/12/2004 07:17:58 AM · #13 |
In most instances, I'd rather take the advice of a neophyte than a pompous self-professed advanced amateur/pro (present advanced amateurs and pros excluded of course); normally the neophyte is sincere, even if they don't know what they are talking about (rules/composition/techniques); sort of like the old saying, "From the mouths of babes.......".
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03/12/2004 07:18:54 AM · #14 |
What I found unbeliveable was someone had added a person to their list of fav photographers but the person did not have a portfolio and had not entered any challenges - i.e no photos!!
My head hurts....
Message edited by author 2004-03-12 07:19:29.
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03/12/2004 07:36:43 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by chinstrap:
What I found unbeliveable was someone had added a person to their list of fav photographers but the person did not have a portfolio and had not entered any challenges - i.e no photos!!
My head hurts.... |
Could be that they know the person and want an easy way to check on their profile to see if they enter anything... It just makes it easier to navigate around the site. |
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03/12/2004 10:42:53 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by Jacko:
I just have a problem with the whiny disruptive type who have no experience in photography and became experts when they bought a camera yesterday. |
You must be thinking of the teenagers who can't find the shift key when typing but their parents bought them a D Rebel because they thought it would be a good "entry level" camera. |
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03/12/2004 10:45:12 AM · #17 |
Everyone can have an opinion about what they see, regardless of whether or not they know anything about photography. Their opinions are just as valid as anyone elses.
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03/12/2004 10:45:45 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by PaulMdx:
Also the small number of pros on this site don't necessarily enter challenges. MeThoS being a good example.
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This guy isn't doing anyone a favor by voting.
Avg Vote Cast: 3.7333
He'd be doing us more of a favor by not voting.
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03/12/2004 12:20:04 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by DJLuba:
Originally posted by PaulMdx:
Also the small number of pros on this site don't necessarily enter challenges. MeThoS being a good example. |
This guy isn't doing anyone a favor by voting.
Avg Vote Cast: 3.7333
He'd be doing us more of a favor by not voting. |
I think his average vote is aedequate, and he might very well do us a favour by voting at all.
My own voting average is lower than his, yet it includes high marks.
Message edited by author 2004-03-12 12:22:43.
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03/12/2004 12:27:44 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by orussell:
In most instances, I'd rather take the advice of a neophyte than a pompous self-professed advanced amateur/pro (present advanced amateurs and pros excluded of course); normally the neophyte is sincere, even if they don't know what they are talking about (rules/composition/techniques); sort of like the old saying, "From the mouths of babes.......". |
I take advice from both, but vehemently agree with sincerity as the most desirable attribute.
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03/12/2004 01:00:43 PM · #21 |
Personally I don't have much respect for the voter only types. I’m sure they have their own valid reasoning (and I’m sure I’m going to get to read them shortly), but I don’t agree with it. What's the point, especially if you’re voting low? It's too easy to sit there and criticize others without showing what you’re capable of. You have time to sit and vote on 100’s of images but don’t have time to submit one? Cowards and blowhards if you ask me.
As for the topic. I appreciate and consider all comments. Only when I disagree with a comment do I check the profile of the person that left it to see how much weight I should put behind it. |
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03/12/2004 01:21:28 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by zeuszen:
Originally posted by DJLuba:
Originally posted by PaulMdx:
Also the small number of pros on this site don't necessarily enter challenges. MeThoS being a good example. |
This guy isn't doing anyone a favor by voting.
Avg Vote Cast: 3.7333
He'd be doing us more of a favor by not voting. |
I think his average vote is aedequate, and he might very well do us a favour by voting at all.
My own voting average is lower than his, yet it includes high marks. |
Challenges Entered: 40
Votes Cast: 5286
Avg Vote Cast: 3.4858
Holy crap! Please don't vote on my photo! Mine will be the very well composed, technically accurate image that you want to give a 5 because it doesn't make you want cry or laugh. Please don't vote.
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03/12/2004 01:33:56 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by louddog:
Personally I don't have much respect for the voter only types. I’m sure they have their own valid reasoning (and I’m sure I’m going to get to read them shortly), but I don’t agree with it. |
How do you know that you don't agree with it when you have no clue what that reasoning might be? Or are you assuming that all those who vote/ comment only have the same motivation? That would be like suggesting all those who enter have the same motivation and that's patently not the case.
I feel no need to explain my reasoning for continuing to vote and comment without entering, nor does it worry me that you dislike this.
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03/12/2004 01:43:49 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by louddog:
Personally I don't have much respect for the voter only types. I’m sure they have their own valid reasoning (and I’m sure I’m going to get to read them shortly), but I don’t agree with it. What's the point, especially if you’re voting low? It's too easy to sit there and criticize others without showing what you’re capable of. You have time to sit and vote on 100’s of images but don’t have time to submit one? Cowards and blowhards if you ask me.
As for the topic. I appreciate and consider all comments. Only when I disagree with a comment do I check the profile of the person that left it to see how much weight I should put behind it. |
The world’s best art critics are not artists themselves...your statement is ridiculous. You don't even have to know a thing about photography to critique an image, and some of the best photographers on here can't critique very well at all. |
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03/12/2004 02:30:00 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by Kavey:
Originally posted by louddog:
Personally I don't have much respect for the voter only types. I’m sure they have their own valid reasoning (and I’m sure I’m going to get to read them shortly), but I don’t agree with it. |
How do you know that you don't agree with it when you have no clue what that reasoning might be? Or are you assuming that all those who vote/ comment only have the same motivation? That would be like suggesting all those who enter have the same motivation and that's patently not the case.
I feel no need to explain my reasoning for continuing to vote and comment without entering, nor does it worry me that you dislike this. |
I know I wouldn't agree with it because my small closed mind couldn't understand how someone other then a blowhard would spend hours on an internet site voting low on pictures when they are not participating and not getting paid. |
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