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03/17/2008 03:36:45 PM · #51 |
anarchist here, so the Nikon=Republican thing fails to label me
Slippy I wish people would not use the blue/red state paradigm. It brings to mind a time when it was blue/gray. I personally find it to be divisive. Of course I realize you darn liberal cannonites don't mean anything by it.
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03/17/2008 03:37:47 PM · #52 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Can anyone here name a single major or minor accomplishment of Senator Obama, off the top of their head, since he was elected to Congress? Didn't think so...lol. |
Perhaps this is a good thing, since most people seem to consider whatever Congress "accomplishes" to be a negative ... |
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03/17/2008 03:39:09 PM · #53 |
Originally posted by fir3bird:
anarchist here, so the Nikon=Republican thing fails to label me |
And here's one on the Canon side of the divide (though I still have an Olympus as well); I'm registered as a Dem, but only so I can vote in primaries ... in fact, when I first registered, it was as a Republcan, though that was specifically to support Pete McCloskey.
BTW: notice that with a little bending of just one vertical element, you can make NIKON into NIXON ...
Message edited by author 2008-03-17 15:48:49. |
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03/17/2008 03:40:04 PM · #54 |
Originally posted by karmat:
Just as a general announcement -- This started as a light hearted "poll."
If you want to discuss specifics of each candidate, political party systems, or the USA government in general, please find one of the several other threads already doing that.
Please keep this one on topic.
Please. |
Perhaps you can move this to rant then. Anything concerning democrat or republican should find a home here. The original post was obviously crafted to garner a reaction.
We can all hope it is fun and light hearted, as my first post in this thread generally was. But, Pandora's box has been opened. You remind me of a well know Dutch boy. ;) |
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03/17/2008 03:43:18 PM · #55 |
- Left-leaning liberal who votes Democratic
- Canon shooter from my first crappy film Rebel, to my relatively new and thoroughly fantastic 40D (and soon G9, fingers crossed).
- Mac user
- law degree, masters degree
- atheist
- currently living in Illinois, but home is Western Washington/Seattle
Just line the cliches up and knock 'em down. ;)
p.s. - Parent's were Montana ranchers who shot Pentax, Argus, and Roliflex, voted Republican all their lives (well, at least Dad) and now are borderline rabid anti-Bush democrats (note small "d") -- guess it's those Montana, independent, libertarian tendencies.
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03/17/2008 03:58:49 PM · #56 |
Originally posted by shutterpuppy:
Left-leaning liberal who votes Democratic...Mac user |
I suppose the other political affiliation poll you could take is Mac(Lib) vs. Win(Con). But for me, I'm a left-of-centre hard core Nikon/Windows user. |
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03/17/2008 04:05:10 PM · #57 |
scratch that, misread someones post
Message edited by author 2008-03-17 16:05:37.
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03/17/2008 04:08:37 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by fir3bird:
Slippy I wish people would not use the blue/red state paradigm. It brings to mind a time when it was blue/gray. I personally find it to be divisive. Of course I realize you darn liberal cannonites don't mean anything by it.
heheheheheheheheh |
here's a version of that map that makes a bit more sense :
//www.princeton.edu/~rvdb/JAVA/election2004/PurpleAmericaPosterAll50.gif
and to add to the new statistic, i'm a winxp pro using dell owner, myself...
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03/17/2008 04:10:23 PM · #59 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Originally posted by msieglerfr:
I would say: Go Obama, the US needs a serious change of attitude toward all nations of the world...
And oh by the way, I am a Nikonian... |
Can anyone here name a single major or minor accomplishment of Senator Obama, off the top of their head, since he was elected to Congress? Didn't think so...lol.
I can't and from a few polls taken neither can many of his supporters. I'd still vote for him...why the heck not. Mix things up a bit, just for fun.
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On a somewhat similar note, how many Americans do you think can indicate how many US soldiers have died in the current war in Iraq, or even get the number to within 1000 ?
I'm not sure which is the more telling poll statistic. |
It's all very sad, isn't it?
After a report that I saw on the Obama accomplishments thing and the polls taken, they went to his headquarters in whatever States the Primaries were being held in that week. They asked his staunch supportes/voluteers the same question and quess what? You got it...nobody could tell you a thing he'd done in the Senate.
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03/17/2008 04:19:33 PM · #60 |
| Canon, left of center, deep south (and outnumbered, LOL, though by Nikon vs. Canon users I can't say) |
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03/17/2008 04:23:39 PM · #61 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
On a somewhat similar note, how many Americans do you think can indicate how many US soldiers have died in the current war in Iraq, or even get the number to within 1000 ?
I'm not sure which is the more telling poll statistic. |
Its around 4000 (in over 6 years). The media blows it way out of proportion making it look like this is one of the worlds bloodiest wars ever, when in all reality, we lost. We lost over 16,000 in one year in Vietnam. 20,000 British troops were lost in one day during the battle of Somme in WWI. I don't mean to lessen the pain of losing people in a war, but we have been extremely fortunate to only lose that few of soldiers, and still people act like it is the worst thing to happen to this world.
ETA: I care about Iraqis as well, I am simply focusing on the American side of it here, read my post farther down the page to clarify what I mean.
Message edited by author 2008-03-17 21:49:58.
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03/17/2008 04:32:22 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by ryand:
Originally posted by Gordon:
On a somewhat similar note, how many Americans do you think can indicate how many US soldiers have died in the current war in Iraq, or even get the number to within 1000 ?
I'm not sure which is the more telling poll statistic. |
Its around 4000 (in over 6 years). The media blows it way out of proportion making it look like this is one of the worlds bloodiest wars ever ... |
It's only "way out of proportion" if your assessment omits Iraqi civilian casualties, and some 2-plus million refugees, and the continuing of hostilities within the centers of population on a daily basis. Try to imagine what life would be like if, somewhere in your state, someone shot up a Wendy's or blew up a Safeway every day ...
A little out of date by now ...  
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Sorry, I got distracted -- let's get back to answering the poll question ...
Message edited by author 2008-03-17 16:36:07. |
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03/17/2008 04:42:10 PM · #63 |
Canon, radical middle, red state. Too far in either direction is bad. But if I have to lean it would be left.
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03/17/2008 05:27:26 PM · #64 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Try to imagine what life would be like if, somewhere in your state, someone shot up a Wendy's or blew up a Safeway every day ... |
the iraqi perspective :
//www.abcnews.go.com/images/PollingUnit/1060a1IraqWhereThingsStand.pdf
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03/17/2008 05:44:53 PM · #65 |
Canon democrat here. From a blue state, currently live in a red state. Bah.
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03/17/2008 05:53:52 PM · #66 |
Pentax user, Mugwump
"I was a mugwump. We, the mugwumps, a little company made up of the unenslaved of both parties, the very best men to be found in the two great parties--that was our idea of it--voted sixty thousand strong for Mr. Cleveland in New York and elected him. Our principles were high, and very definite. We were not a party; we had no candidates; we had no axes to grind. Our vote laid upon the man we cast it for no obligation of any kind. By our rule we could not ask for office; we could not accept office. When voting, it was our duty to vote for the best man, regardless of his party name. We had no other creed. Vote for the best man--that was creed enough."
- Mark Twain's Autobiography (North American Review, Dec. 21, 1906)
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03/17/2008 07:36:36 PM · #67 |
Hmmm, this is a tough one.
I started out with a Kodak (Brownie, if you must know),
eventually moved to Pentax, then to Minolta,
then to Nikon and finally to Canon.
Moral: Vote early and vote often. That's what I do. |
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03/17/2008 07:46:53 PM · #68 |
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03/17/2008 07:47:20 PM · #69 |
Originally posted by ryand:
Originally posted by Gordon:
On a somewhat similar note, how many Americans do you think can indicate how many US soldiers have died in the current war in Iraq, or even get the number to within 1000 ?
I'm not sure which is the more telling poll statistic. |
Its around 4000 (in over 6 years). The media blows it way out of proportion making it look like this is one of the worlds bloodiest wars ever, when in all reality, we lost. We lost over 16,000 in one year in Vietnam. 20,000 British troops were lost in one day during the battle of Somme in WWI. I don't mean to lessen the pain of losing people in a war, but we have been extremely fortunate to only lose that few of soldiers, and still people act like it is the worst thing to happen to this world. |
WOW! Did you EVER stop to think about humanity as a whole? I am boggled by the idea that we should only worry about our own soldiers dying. This is what is wrong with our world..this kind of thinking. OUCH! I am ashamed to be human at this point.
can i be a commie anarchist? Or..maybe a blade of grass would suit me better. Or, actually..mold. Yes, mold growing on a rock near the ocean. THAT would be the life..until the oil spill washed in with the tide. Sigh..i cant win for losin.
Edit to add: Sorry Ryand, I did not realize you were only 16. My advice is that you question authority a bit more...especially in a southern christian school. Get the full picture and decide for yourself. Please. For the sake of all humanity. Please.
Not to sound dramatic, but our children and grandchildren are witnessing what we are doing, or perhaps a lack thereof. We stand at a critical time in our nation's history, a time where simplicity is a concept we must abandon. We must throw away the old notions of black and white lines and embrace the shades of gray. We must educate ourselves on issues and forbid apathy. And we must never forget that the reason this country is worth discussing at all is because at critical times her people have risen to the challenge to set right what has become perverted.
From an article i read recently
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03/17/2008 08:23:55 PM · #70 |
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
A friend has done a poll amongst the folks he knows - about 12 - and every Nikon owner is a Republican, and every Canon owner is a Democrat.
We both think that's interesting.
So lets see if that small sample holds true.
I doubt the oly/sony/pentax crowd are independents, but perhaps they are? |
I am the chair of the Democratic party of Dodge county, & shoot Nikon. My family has Canon P&S though.
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03/17/2008 08:49:08 PM · #71 |
Originally posted by kudzu:
Originally posted by fir3bird:
Slippy I wish people would not use the blue/red state paradigm. It brings to mind a time when it was blue/gray. I personally find it to be divisive. Of course I realize you darn liberal cannonites don't mean anything by it.
heheheheheheheheh |
here's a version of that map that makes a bit more sense :
//www.princeton.edu/~rvdb/JAVA/election2004/PurpleAmericaPosterAll50.gif
and to add to the new statistic, i'm a winxp pro using dell owner, myself... |
Does anyone else find this graph to be extremely hard to read, and missleading? It looks very red heavy with me, and as I understand it, the US is pretty much equally split. Shouldn't there be some sort of distinction for population in different areas? Also, what's up with the black and gray areas, i can't seem to find them in the key. All in all, I hate this graph, lol.
Canon, but I don't care.
(I registered Democrat today (ok not really just filled out the form), because being Independent in my state robs you of your right to vote for a main player in the primary... Not that I can vote for a republican anyway as a registered democrat. I'd like the option at least.)
Democrat, but I don't like the idea of the country being only democrats and republicans. |
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03/17/2008 09:46:34 PM · #72 |
Originally posted by grigrigirl:
WOW! Did you EVER stop to think about humanity as a whole? I am boggled by the idea that we should only worry about our own soldiers dying. This is what is wrong with our world..this kind of thinking. OUCH! I am ashamed to be human at this point. |
Sorry if my post came across like I don't care about the Iraqi's. I care a lot about them. I detest war and wish that we could live in a world peace. War sucks.
One of the main reasons that we went into Iraq was to free them from Saddam, who was killing millions of people. One of our goals of this war was to save lives. We are doing that. The goal of the war isn't to obliterate Iraqis and maybe we aren't going about the war the perfect way, but I can hardly stand it when people say that we should back out of Iraq. The Iraqi citizens as a whole don't want us to back out, because we are protecting them from the Radical Islamist groups that are attacking them as well as our troops.
I didn't mean to come off like I didn't care about the innocent Iraqi's. I wish war wasn't a part of life, and that we could all live in peace. That would be awesome. I'm not one of those political people that thinks that everyone on the same side as them is perfect. I don't think that Bush is the best president we have ever had, but I do agree with the war in Iraq.
My main point in stating that it gets blown out of proportion is that the media tries to appeal to our emotions by saying that we are losing tons of American soldiers. There are a lot of crazy Americans that only care about Americans, and when they hear that we are losing all these Americans, then they want us to pull out, just like the media wants. That was my only point. Really, I care about everyone involved just as much if not more than anyone on this site, and I hate the fact that innocent people are dying, but we are also saving innocent lives over the longhaul, and protecting our own.
Thats all I meant, and I hope that no one things that I'm just some insensitive jerk, I really do care about human lives, and I agree that we shouldn't be selfish in who we care about. Sorry if I came across sounding insensitive and harsh.
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03/17/2008 09:56:20 PM · #73 |
| Canon & I hate both sides.... for the same & different reasons... That help any? :-) |
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03/17/2008 10:06:20 PM · #74 |
pinky show
I wonder if pinky used nikon or canon...hmmmm |
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03/17/2008 10:24:52 PM · #75 |
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