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 03/13/2008 05:40:29 AM · #1
As as resident of the UK, you could say this is none of my business and I'd probably agree.

It seems to me that the poll is lacking one option which would be 'None of the above'.

In fact I would really like it if all voting slips had that option in an election. I'm sure more people would vote and we'd get a much better idea of just how unpopular a given political party or candidate is, even if they were the 'winner' so to speak.

From what I have seen, Ron Paul looks like the only person who is likely to bring the USA back to a balanced position in the world.
If some politician over here said they were going to abolish income tax (like RP did), they'd be in power in a flash.

All the current candidates look like more of the same.

The definition of insanity is.....Doing the same thing and expecting a different result.

Good luck USA. You are going to need it.
 03/13/2008 05:47:41 AM · #2
From what I remember a few days ago, there was an option that said "I don't live in the US and don't care."

I think that abolishing income tax would be a VERY BAD THING. Not that I like 35% of my hard earned cash taken by the government, but in case you haven't noticed, the US has a multi-trillion dollar deficit. Removing income tax is just short of shooting yourself in the foot in this case, IMO.

And as far as putting the "None of the above" option in the poll, I think that there are venues for expressing your disapproval with the present government - I dont think that the ballot is the right venue though. One can always just choose not to vote if they feel that way too.

Message edited by author 2008-03-13 05:52:29.
 03/13/2008 05:55:50 AM · #3
If that 35%, or a large portion of it, wasn't being spent on illegal and unnecessary wars, then you could all be a lot better off.
Wars are great for big corporations (that many of your politicians have connections too - see Fahrenheit 911). Not so good for the young and naive foot soldiers that get blown to bits for doing what they think is the right thing because of how they have been miss led.

Like I said, you guys need a peace maker now, not another war monger.

Message edited by author 2008-03-13 05:56:16.
 03/13/2008 06:03:50 AM · #4
my only thing with the polls is if you are checking your score from a text-based cellphone, that is another huge box that you have to scroll through - maybe there could be a choice of whether or not to view polls? Or mayyyyybe just mayyyyyyybe there could be a text-only page with current challenges and your score that would be easier to browse from mobiles? :D
 03/13/2008 06:08:06 AM · #5
Or may be but maybe we could keep politcal polls off photography web sites?
 03/13/2008 06:16:09 AM · #6
Originally posted by ShutterPug:
Or may be but maybe we could keep politcal polls off photography web sites?


what she said. ... and there were few really unnecessary polls here lately, including this one of course
 03/13/2008 06:18:22 AM · #7
I agree with you on the theory that the reason for some of the wars being fought aren't exactly watertight, but some can you really say that any war is legit? I believe that its a perspective issue for the most part. Now on to Moore's movie... (sigh)

If you are taking in Fahrenheit 911 as the whole truth, you are missing a huge picture. I'm not an endorser of MM or the government, but understand that movies like that need to be taken with a grain of salt. MM is about as close to a lobbyist than anybody can get, without actually being a lobbyist. His job, is to make you agree with him. He makes movies that are very politically directional, and very one sided. He makes them this way because #1: He HUGELY profits and #2: Not unlike many other Americans he is inclined to promote his party, and degrade the others.

Now, another note about the "foot soldiers", our standing military is *volunteer*. No one was drafted into serving, there are people for the most part who are confident enough in the direction of the government, that they risk their livelihood to work as a soldier. Of course there are exceptions. There are always going to be the "brain washed" conspirators as well. They knew very well, when they joined the military what their purpose was. Its not as though we have children as our soldiers.

And lastly... I agree that we need a peace maker, not a "war monger". In fact, I would rather have someone who is not a politician run the country. I would love to have someone who doesn't associate with a particular political party, I would love to have someone who doesn't have an agenda up their sleeve waiting for day one. It would be like a fairy tail come true... but to be honest, do fairy tales come true? Not unless the easter bunny knocks on my door right now. And I dont hear him knocking.
 03/13/2008 06:24:00 AM · #8
Originally posted by Cidpilot:

I think that abolishing income tax would be a VERY BAD THING. Not that I like 35% of my hard earned cash taken by the government, but in case you haven't noticed, the US has a multi-trillion dollar deficit. Removing income tax is just short of shooting yourself in the foot in this case, IMO.


I think that income tax should be abolished. Get rid of income tax and raise the sales tax, that way drug dealers and prostitutes, and other workers who don't claim income tax will have to pay into the tax system.
 03/13/2008 06:25:41 AM · #9
Cidpilot - Exactly. Thank you.

Message edited by author 2008-03-13 06:27:10.
 03/13/2008 06:27:05 AM · #10
Hi.

I only referred to MM's movie in relation to politicians being heavily involved with corporations in the war business.
I don't see it as 'the truth'. There's no such thing as 'the truth' only different opinions.

Sure many soldiers are 'volunteers', but in a nation of few options for the less well educated, it may look like a good option.

Perhaps we should ask them if they are still confident in the direction of the government once they have returned from war.

The mere fact that someone wants to be a politician should automatically rule them out of contention ;-)

Knock knock.

03/13/2008 06:28:02 AM · #11
I think the unemployment is the US hovers around 5%?

Humm... tax the 5% of people who don't have a job more, and not tax the employed at all...

Something about this... just doesn't make sense...

Seems like 95% is a bigger number than 5%... but that might just be me...

Thats a numbers game anyway. Its kinda like 6 of one or half a dozen of the other.

Message edited by author 2008-03-13 06:33:13.
 03/13/2008 08:05:25 AM · #12
Originally posted by ShutterPug:
Or may be but maybe we could keep politcal polls off photography web sites?

But it gives such an interesting insight into the makeup of the DPChallenge community. Could explain the positions held by some in the various forums, shed light on artistic views, and maybe even enlighten us on the voting patterns. :-)

Certainly confirms my impression of this being a very left-leaning liberal community.
 03/13/2008 08:28:23 AM · #13
Originally posted by Cidpilot:
I think the unemployment is the US hovers around 5%?

Humm... tax the 5% of people who don't have a job more, and not tax the employed at all...


Wow, was icu1965's comment taken out of context or what? If you remove the income tax, and raise the sales tax, you make people pay for what the use. and EVERYBODY pays taxes, not just those with W-2, legit jobs. It's a consumption tax and it makes more sense than the current tax code.

03/13/2008 09:42:10 AM · #14
Originally posted by Cidpilot:


I think that abolishing income tax would be a VERY BAD THING.


Actually more than your 35 percent example is removed from your income but you don't realize it. First all modern money is fiat money. It has no actual fixed value and can fluctuate up and down. When it goes down a hidden tax is imposed on your actual wealth. Also when you buy a 3 dollar loaf of bread probably only 20 percent of that cost is actually cost of product. Most of the rest is the result of the combination of taxes, fees, and other tariffs imposed by various governments, along the entire chain of production, transport, and sale of that product. So most people have absolutely no idea of the actual impact of taxes on their lives. And this is exactly as the various entities who tax you wish it to be. So when *I* call for an elimination of income taxes, what I'm asking is for the federal government to meld my income taxes into that stream along with the rest of the hidden taxes so I no longer have to worry and sweat every April 15th. Then all the fine people working at the IRS can get *REAL* jobs producing added value to something, rather than persecuting the people of the United States of America. Also the ability of the government to use tax law as a whip to control behavior would be forfeited. Of course this will never happen. But it's fun to dream.
 03/13/2008 09:45:07 AM · #15
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Certainly confirms my impression of this being a very left-leaning liberal community.


Though that view on any given community probably depends on how far out on the fringes you are yourself. Do you find yourself a member of many far right, conservative communities? Or do they all seem either centrist or somewhat liberal left-leaning to you ?

Message edited by author 2008-03-13 09:46:07.
 03/13/2008 09:47:14 AM · #16
Originally posted by Cidpilot:
I would rather have someone who is not a politician run the country. I would love to have someone who doesn't associate with a particular political party, I would love to have someone who doesn't have an agenda up their sleeve waiting for day one. It would be like a fairy tail come true... but to be honest, do fairy tales come true? Not unless the easter bunny knocks on my door right now. And I dont hear him knocking.


That's been tried in many countries and failed miserably. Germany, Italy, USSR, China, Cuba.................

(Easter bunny just knocked here, brought me some Reeses eggs!!!)
 03/13/2008 09:50:54 AM · #17
Originally posted by glad2badad:


Certainly confirms my impression of this being a very left-leaning liberal community.


A quick examination of the last 100 threads in rant might cast doubts on this impression. :)

But the idea that liberals have the monopoly on creativity seems to be popular here!
 03/13/2008 10:01:29 AM · #18
I would just like to say that I can't vote on the poll at all because my option isn't on there. I'm not wasting my vote on McCain, Clinton, or Obama but will be casting it for Ron Paul. I have to look at the poll every time I want an update though :(

It is sad that we have gotten so far away from our own constitution and the only candidate that upholds it. The reason we have so much debt is because of all of our unconstitutional government bureaucracies. Take away everything that is unconstitutional and we wouldn't need an income tax. Bush is the absolute worst at this and I really cannot understand how conservatives can support the republican machine. If enough people would stop voting for the "lesser of 2 evils" because they are afraid of one party or the other gaining control (and they are all the same anyway) it would be a step in the right direction in my opinion.


03/13/2008 10:10:36 AM · #19
We need a 'I disagree with the options' option it seems like :)

I want the 'I do care, I do live in the US, but I can't vote' option, please.
 03/13/2008 10:14:52 AM · #20
Originally posted by Gordon:
We need a 'I disagree with the options' option it seems like :)

I want the 'I do care, I do live in the US, but I can't vote' option, please.


I want the "I do care, I don't live in the US, I can't vote but wished I could" option please.
 03/13/2008 10:15:51 AM · #21
If there is going to be a political poll, there should be an option where one can express their discontent for all of them, both democrat and republican candidates.

Message edited by author 2008-03-13 10:16:49.
 03/13/2008 10:53:03 AM · #22
Originally posted by fir3bird:
Originally posted by glad2badad:

Certainly confirms my impression of this being a very left-leaning liberal community.

A quick examination of the last 100 threads in rant might cast doubts on this impression. :)

I've had the 'Rant' forum section turned off in my preferences for months now. :-)
 03/13/2008 11:14:36 AM · #23
I completely agree that the two parties are naturally incapable of always truly representing the people. But that is partly the fault of the people of the United States. A "coup" representing people voting for someone outside of these parties is the only way to overcome this, but that sort of unity isn't something you'll find among the citizens of this country - there are many reasons for this depending on whom you talk to ...

For someone to have the sort of popularity to overcome the party system, they would either need to be famous from media or be in politics. They would also need the positive backing of the media (probably the most important piece). Is there anyone that meets all 3 of these?

I believe the closest person to an outsider that has a shot is in fact: Barack Obama ... although Ron Paul is far more extreme, he's still not quite the outsider that one could argue Obama is. If you look at Obama's history in politics, he has focused on getting to the top - FAST. He knows the right people and makes measured decisions. He's helped the little guy and definitely fit the bill for a man of political service, but kept his sights set high - as high as most people could imagine. I get the feeling Obama might be holding back on some of his agenda until he truly gets the support that he needs.

Three reasons why Ron Paul doesn't have the backing that many people think he should: 3) Extreme change still scares many Americans. 2) The media doesn't love him - resulting in fewer people knowing or wanting to know about him. 1) Not everyone believes in the Libertarian philosophy.

Just some thoughts.

Originally posted by Cidpilot:
I would love to have someone who doesn't associate with a particular political party, I would love to have someone who doesn't have an agenda up their sleeve waiting for day one. It would be like a fairy tail come true... but to be honest, do fairy tales come true? Not unless the easter bunny knocks on my door right now. And I dont hear him knocking.
03/13/2008 03:05:49 PM · #24
Not only do "not many" believe in the Libertarian philosophy, most in the US wouldn't know it if it hit them over the head. Nor would most know what aspects of current government foolishness are constituional and which are not...as well as most of our friends abroad, I'm afraid. And a VERY large part of general voting population has been spoon-fed with entitlements so thoroughly that they now vote for their own personal welfare over what's right and what's wrong. "Can I get something from this guy, can he solve MY problems or help me or my family better our position." That shouldn't be the role of government, especially here in the US...though look what the candidates are campaigning on: health care, social security, medicare, further dependence on government...
I'd rather depend on bureaucracy and wastefulness for as little as possible...
03/13/2008 03:07:52 PM · #25
And that my friend is the end of the United States.
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