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03/12/2008 11:51:00 AM · #26
Originally posted by Melethia:

C'mon, folks - comments! I give out TONS of comments... I want to get some this time! And no, I haven't started voting yet, but I will try to leave lots of comments when I do.


This time around, I'll be leaving "Nice shot" on everything. And I'll then PM Judi for some 100% comments bling. (Don't hang me Deb, I'm just kidding!) I have not voted on peekaboo yet, so it will still be a couple of days till I get to this one.
03/12/2008 11:54:04 AM · #27
Is this the score thread?

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Updated: 03/12/08 11:51 am
03/12/2008 11:57:02 AM · #28
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03/12/2008 11:57:22 AM · #29
that's here
03/12/2008 11:58:07 AM · #30
This thread is people writing about scoring ... :)
03/12/2008 12:06:13 PM · #31
Tough indeed. First problem, things I'm usually critical of are now part of the challenge criteria.

Second problem, blurry and messy images are "harder to read" than "normal" images. Instead of the usual instant gratification we get from great photos, more subtle things are happening; as such, I don't think this challenege is conducive to the usual "three seconds to vote" method that we're all guilty of.

I too am being murdered. I went for a very artisitic image, and I think it's being lost amidst the wide and dizzying array of entries (and, from what I'm reading, dizzy voters).

I expect a lot of variation and fine tuning of scores in this challenge, while voters spend time figuring it out. I don't think it will be a high scoring challenge either. (But if I'm calling the challenge like I called my entry, then that prediction will be way off too!)
03/12/2008 12:09:15 PM · #32
I try to avoid voting in defense of my opinions, biases, & preferences. The comps that challenge my opinions, biases, & preferences are the ones that I have a hard time commenting on, without worrying that I'm going to be attacked for my comment. My first thought is usually "I don't get it." Should I score it low just because I don't get it? I don't think so. I try to write in a comment what I think I see, or what is my emotional reaction. Isn't it good to have a reaction to a comp that is more than simple admiration for the technical/documentary skills of the photog? [eta spelling]

Message edited by author 2008-03-12 12:13:17.
03/12/2008 12:45:11 PM · #33
There are a few good images that I've seen so far but I absolutely regret entering the Challenge.

I think these types of Challenges require a lengthy discussion or a preamble to get people on board with a reason or a purpose to taking a blurred image. Otherwise you'll just get truckload of hazards to look at.

It's funny but I think people are scoring images as if they were in a some regular Challenge....well, almost.

I'm at a 5.1897, I used a delicate hand (I think) and my subject is reconizable.
03/12/2008 12:45:50 PM · #34
Originally posted by pixelpig:

I try to avoid voting in defense of my opinions, biases, & preferences.


But criteria, you ave them, right? Even if you have to make a new set of them for odd challenges like this one.

Originally posted by pixelpig:

The comps that challenge my opinions, biases, & preferences are the ones that I have a hard time commenting on, without worrying that I'm going to be attacked for my comment. My first thought is usually "I don't get it." Should I score it low just because I don't get it?
You decide.

Originally posted by pixelpig:

I don't think so. I try to write in a comment what I think I see, or what is my emotional reaction. Isn't it good to have a reaction to a comp that is more than simple admiration for the technical/documentary skills of the photog? [eta spelling]


Yes
03/12/2008 01:01:43 PM · #35
I just finished voting and on the second pass will leave some comments.
Contrary to most opions here I really enjoyed looking at all the pictures.
I found a very wide spread of pictures. from motion-blur and panning, simple out-of-focus, to very creative pictures.
I gave 7 10s, 17 9s down to a few 3s.
I think it's a beautiful challenge to step away from the more technical criteria to the more artistic and expressional side

03/12/2008 01:03:41 PM · #36
Originally posted by metatate:

The PLANNING for this shot was just as important as the process ... if not more important - IMO. "How can I create an appealing image but still meet the challenge?" I thought about it for the entire week then shot my image on the last day. Even though the challenge was not to "worry" ... this was actually a pretty tough challenge because it is not as predictable when objects, the camera, or the lens is moving.


This IS the art of photography. Alot of wisdom and good advice in that post...
03/12/2008 01:08:59 PM · #37
I've made it through my first sorting pass & with a few comments. I'm going to try to comment on anything I gave a 5 or less just because this challenge was so hard to score since it is so subjective IMHO.
03/12/2008 01:39:55 PM · #38
I'm enjoying voting on this one actually. I have my own particular perspective, of course, and I am finding quite a few very engaging images that meet "my criteria" for a good "blurry mess" picture. I am also, as others have noted, seeing a LOT of images that I don't think belong in this challenge at all. But I rather imagine there are voters out there who think differently than i do, and they may hate the ones I love and love the ones I hate. Gonna be REAL interesting to see the results. My own entry is getting hammered, which doesn't bode well for "the ones I love".

R.
03/12/2008 01:47:40 PM · #39
Given the score...I'm deeply appreciative that I have not received a single comment. The blessing of silence...
03/12/2008 01:47:44 PM · #40
Most of us are getting hammered in this challenge--mostly by each other.
03/12/2008 01:49:56 PM · #41
Originally posted by pixelpig:

Most of us are getting hammered in this challenge--mostly by each other.


well there's so much wrong to really sink your teeth into and complain about with a low score.
03/12/2008 01:55:31 PM · #42
I would really like to post examples of the shots I gave an 8+. There's a lot of shot that are great but there are some that are blurry but just look like a crappy picture. Then again, if you were take the same shot with a Holga it would be artful. GAAAAR!
03/12/2008 02:43:39 PM · #43
Shallow depth of field does not a blurry mess make.

Oh.

Yes, it does.

But a more-or-less focused subject on a blurred background doesn't make the criteria of chaotic, disorganised, or even blurred, really. It is a technique that's bang on the money for interesting and engaging, but those two came last. One or two otherwise excellent pictures had me grumbling through the thought train.
03/12/2008 02:47:41 PM · #44
bottom line.

we don't like blur.

we don't like chaos.

we like to worry about how to make our pictures beautiful, sharp, AND engaging.

:o)

we DON'T like someone to take that away from us.

03/12/2008 02:51:40 PM · #45
I beg to differ - I quite like blur, and rather enjoy chaos either blurry or sharp. I'm not always into beautiful. I'm glad they took sharp away for this challenge! :-)
03/12/2008 03:00:59 PM · #46
Truth to tell, how many times in your daily life do you get the chance for a little cognitive dissonance? So what if you were strictly trained to never move the camera, to strive for tack-sharp focus & a perfect documentary record of what was in front of your camera--let go of those inhibitions & see what you can see in a blurry mess. If you smile once in a while at what you see, nobody's watching.
03/12/2008 03:16:38 PM · #47
Come on people, be brave! Comment the first 20% you vote! Or 10% if that's too intimidating.
03/12/2008 03:28:43 PM · #48
Maybe we'll have to have the challenge "BLUR VS. SHARP" so those that get lower score because of some sharpness can have a challenge to excel in!

Or just another challenge to have a lengthy discussion in...

and I've finished voting and have commented on 14%, but when I comment I leave at least a full sentence or three.
03/12/2008 03:32:13 PM · #49
Originally posted by nadiaC:


out of curiosity. . .those that are giving 1s. . .is that how you rate all pictures you consider to be DNMC? that's pretty harsh. even for this challenge.

I don't think it's harsh at all. I don't DNMC many photos, and I take all interpretations into account. I look at the title, think outside the box, and then if there is no possible way to interpret it into the challenge, I DNMC. As in this challenge, if there is no blur in the photo at all, it's DNMC. Yes, it says "mess" but you have to take the blur into account as well, don't do it half-assed.
03/12/2008 03:36:44 PM · #50
As a rule - and pretty much most of the time - we try to avoid blur and we try to 'organise', or at least compose our pictures. I suppose one could even go as far as to say that one of the most frequently evident benefits of photography, and as such a quality which we often strive to obtain, is the capturing of the moment. This could, again, be said to be a respite from chaos, as in the essential chaos of moments being fleeting and then being followed by other moments which are not the same as the previous moments. Not that they last either.

So yes, this blurry, chaotic challenge does run against the grain of what photographers usually do.

Even so, if you look through the entries you can hardly fail to see those that are successful, not in capturing the frozen moment that is essentially unreal and only exists because of cameras' ability to capture it, but in capturing or portraying some of the chaotic flow of things in which we really do live.

Actually quite a few manage to capture that and leave you wishing they hadn't. It's the ones that retain or achieve interest and engagement that are the reason for being here.
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