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03/03/2004 12:23:56 AM · #1
Lately (it might just be me though) I have seen so many "suicide" pictures and I am starting to become quite disgusted . Does anyone feel the same? There are just too many.
03/03/2004 12:25:30 AM · #2
Ick. Yes. I haven't seen many but.. one was so disturbing that I actually wrote to the site admin asking if they thought it might be a tad inappropriate. Never got a reply, though. I know their busy but.. somehow I just don't see it as art. I guess other people feel differently, though.
03/03/2004 12:42:29 AM · #3
I'm more worried about the thought process behind it rather than whether or not the actual picture offends or disturbs me.
03/03/2004 12:47:07 AM · #4
I agree with rooster, it may be nice to think 'suicide' is not a part of life, unfortunately it is. Hopefully the images are artistic vs. emotional statements.
03/03/2004 12:53:49 AM · #5
It is scary.... there is one that scares me. Although we can't say how someone can express themselves, we can worry. I know that I have played several "roles" in my photos.... and alot of them are not the real me... or how I am portraying myself. Just an artistic way to show a feeling or mood. Sometimes photography can be like acting, being in a movie... not all actors that play suicidial characters are really that way.

While disturbing, it wouldn't be fair to "silence" their way of expressing their photography.
03/03/2004 01:05:29 AM · #6
I'm not saying we should though, because I do like several of them. But lately it feels like they're having a ontest to see who an outdo each other. I'm not saying all of the suicide shots are bad because there are some amazzing shots like that. I have just become kind of disturbed by the ammount and how some seem to try to out-do each other, that' all I'm really saying.
03/03/2004 01:05:34 AM · #7
another thread discussing pictures that could possibly sway votes on current challenges. Me OH My
03/03/2004 01:10:08 AM · #8
Originally posted by dacrazyrn:

another thread discussing pictures that could possibly sway votes on current challenges. Me OH My

I'm not neccesarily saying anything about this challenge, because this has been on my mind for a while. I would probably have gotten that same comment if this were posted during Conflict (or most other challenges of late), so i'm not trying to sway votes. I'm just trying to say that it has been a little bit on the disturbing side, that's all.
03/03/2004 01:11:44 AM · #9
Originally posted by nsoroma79:

It is scary.... there is one that scares me.
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While disturbing, it wouldn't be fair to "silence" their way of expressing their photography.


I think that my photo "Only way out?" //www.dpchallenge.com/image.php?IMAGE_ID=61421 is one of those photos. Although I understand that many might find the subject distasteful, nsoroma79 is correct in that it would not be fair to silence the expression. Although I do not condone suicide, it certainly fit well within the challenge, and it is a fact of life. We should not hide our heads in the sand and shy away from a topic simply because of the ideas or emotions it may bring about. I have no problem with the fact that someone may not have liked my image, but requesting that a photo be removed for that reason alone amounts to nothing more than censorship. If the administrators began removing images based on the fact that someone found it distasteful, then this is not a site I would want to be a part of. Just my 2 cents.

Message edited by author 2004-03-03 01:12:46.
03/03/2004 01:16:46 AM · #10
Originally posted by SoCal69:

Originally posted by nsoroma79:

It is scary.... there is one that scares me.
* * *
While disturbing, it wouldn't be fair to "silence" their way of expressing their photography.


I think that my photo "Only way out?" //www.dpchallenge.com/image.php?IMAGE_ID=61421 is one of those photos. Although I understand that many might find the subject distasteful, nsoroma79 is correct in that it would not be fair to silence the expression. Although I do not condone suicide, it certainly fit well within the challenge, and it is a fact of life. We should not hide our heads in the sand and shy away from a topic simply because of the ideas or emotions it may bring about. I have no problem with the fact that someone may not have liked my image, but requesting that a photo be removed for that reason alone amounts to nothing more than censorship. If the administrators began removing images based on the fact that someone found it distasteful, then this is not a site I would want to be a part of. Just my 2 cents.


No no no, not at all. These are not the kind of shots that have been troubling me. I find that this has quite a bit of artistic value and I actually enjoyed that shot a lot. There have been several that are clearly way over the top.

Your right, I don't think admins should remove at all on those kind of things. I am just saying that there have been more and more and it is just kind of worrying me, that's all.
03/03/2004 01:20:05 AM · #11
I know I might get blasted for this, but ya know what, I'd like to introduce you to art.

Sometimes, a picture may best do it's job of enhancing emotion, or providing a message, by making you uncomfortable. Look at a movie like 'The Pianist' or 'Passion of the Christ', both of which are gruesome, yes, but would they make the statement they make without that?

Guess what, suicide isn't a nicely coloured pretty concept. It's a scary (and yes sometimes disgusting) part of the human psych, so does that mean we should ignore it? Does that mean we she run to the corner and complain that you're quite disgusted by it? Art is supposed to explore who we are as humans and the world around us. How can you expect art to truly be that without it exploring the good as well as the bad?

Life isn't pretty, it isn't always a beautiful landscape, or a perfect studio picture, in many cases it's ugly. Deal with it. If we can't except it being displayed in art, how can we ever hope to correct it in real life?

If you can't handle it, then get out and go watch some kiddy cartoons.

Lee



03/03/2004 01:21:17 AM · #12
not saying you are trying to sway votes, just that these come up, people read them and then "subconsciously" vote. just seems to happen, planned or not.
no one liked my very first challenge entry Taken by Surprise, because it wa "sick and disturbing." but I am an ER RN, gotta be sick and disturbed to take that abuse. (C;

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03/03/2004 01:22:29 AM · #13
I'm not thinking of any particular entry or challenge so don't be swayed by this. Whether or not you are offended by them is your own business and you can address it in your own way. The thing that worries me is that one of them may be someone who needs help crying out and maybe they are not being heard. That possibility is disturbing.
03/03/2004 01:28:52 AM · #14
Originally posted by Spanish_Grease:

I know I might get blasted for this, but ya know what, I'd like to introduce you to art.

Sometimes, a picture may best do it's job of enhancing emotion, or providing a message, by making you uncomfortable. Look at a movie like 'The Pianist' or 'Passion of the Christ', both of which are gruesome, yes, but would they make the statement they make without that?

Guess what, suicide isn't a nicely coloured pretty concept. It's a scary (and yes sometimes disgusting) part of the human psych, so does that mean we should ignore it? Does that mean we she run to the corner and complain that you're quite disgusted by it? Art is supposed to explore who we are as humans and the world around us. How can you expect art to truly be that without it exploring the good as well as the bad?

Life isn't pretty, it isn't always a beautiful landscape, or a perfect studio picture, in many cases it's ugly. Deal with it. If we can't except it being displayed in art, how can we ever hope to correct it in real life?

If you can't handle it, then get out and go watch some kiddy cartoons.

Lee

Like I have said, the vast majority of the shots are really good and help convey emotions in this life that aren't always pleasant, and I appreciate that (more than you may think, I know you are just trying to give your two-cents and I'm not trying to argue because you make some very valid points).

My only real question is, is there a line....somewhere? I know this is a really broad and subjective question. Just want some of your guys' thoughts.

03/03/2004 01:29:49 AM · #15
I think of these pictures as I would my 3 year old nephew. He discovered death and now all his questions are about it, he wants to play games where someone dies and he seems to be fixated on it. I know he will outgrow it soon. It's his way to explore that dark side that he doesn't understand yet. I've noticed that a lot of three year olds have the same fixation.
03/03/2004 01:32:10 AM · #16
in my experience, I have never come across someone with these types of thoughts, shooting pics to express themselves (but could happen), usually it is something observable and intervenable, like cutting or taking pills (which I have never, cross my fingers, had to resuscitate anyone from).
03/03/2004 01:34:11 AM · #17
I realize that life isn't always flowery and happy all the time. And I have realy liked a lot of shots that explore the other realities of life and respect them. In fact, I respect all the shots as photogrpahy and artistic. Maybe disgusted was too harsh of a word to use, more like, disappointed. I'm really not trying to bash all the suicide shots, there have just been a couple lately that I feel may be a tad too much for my liking, but again, that is just my liking and I am trying to express that.

Message edited by author 2004-03-03 01:37:43.
03/03/2004 01:46:59 AM · #18
I was thinking with some of the comments, well, one in particular that I recieved on my last entry. that I would fit suicied and blood into every single contest, just because of the one comment I got. It really pissed me off.

I don't cut. I know people that do, and its a way to express myself. I take these pictures because I want to. I like to.

I don't go around telling others that their photos are in poor taste. And that there are no purpose in the type of pictures they've taken. That kind of stuff just makes me want to post even more pictures like that for people to see.

I'm not going to. But I think it's rude.

Message edited by author 2004-03-03 01:48:37.
03/03/2004 01:53:32 AM · #19
Originally posted by movieman:

I was thinking with some of the comments, well, one in particular that I recieved on my last entry. that I would fit suicied and blood into every single contest, just because of the one comment I got. It really pissed me off.

I don't cut. I know people that do, and its a way to express myself. I take these pictures because I want to. I like to.

I don't go around telling others that their photos are in poor taste. And that there are no purpose in the type of pictures they've taken. That kind of stuff just makes me want to post even more pictures like that for people to see.

I'm not going to. But I think it's rude.


I haven't mentioned any particular shots or anything, and I haven't even voted any of these shots down either or even left any negative comments for that fact. I am just voicing my concern and seeign what other people think. And you are right, no one has the right to be rude, I completely agree.
03/03/2004 02:01:51 AM · #20
i find the technical score can be brought down by the subject sometimes
03/03/2004 06:17:51 AM · #21
Originally posted by goinskiing:

...I have seen so many "suicide" pictures and I am starting to become quite disgusted . Does anyone feel the same? There are just too many.


i feel the same way and i do vote them low - art or no art, voting these pictures down is my way to show that i am indeed as you say, "quite disgusted"

no picture that disgusts me is going to get a high score from me!
03/03/2004 06:24:33 AM · #22
I think that a lot of the newer or younger photographers want to shock the rest of us. Definitely a way to get comments.
03/03/2004 06:31:37 AM · #23
Originally posted by faidoi:

I think that a lot of the newer or younger photographers want to shock the rest of us. Definitely a way to get comments.


I totally agree, many have great ability, seems a pity they are obsessed with the sad side of life, pills, blood, bullets etc.
I mark em low every time.
Perhaps when they have more experience of life they will understand our points of view too.
Paul.
03/03/2004 08:26:06 AM · #24
Originally posted by peecee:



I totally agree, many have great ability, seems a pity they are obsessed with the sad side of life, pills, blood, bullets etc.
I mark em low every time.
Perhaps when they have more experience of life they will understand our points of view too.
Paul.


I can vaguely remember being young(ish) so I try to understand their point of view too and don't automatically mark people down for feeling normal.
03/03/2004 09:00:30 AM · #25
Originally posted by Spanish_Grease:

Life isn't pretty, it isn't always a beautiful landscape, or a perfect studio picture, in many cases it's ugly. Deal with it. If we can't except it being displayed in art, how can we ever hope to correct it in real life?

If you can't handle it, then get out and go watch some kiddy cartoons.

Lee


Just because something falls under the umbrella of "art" to someone else doesn't mean it should be displayed or explored. That being said, I don't mind the suicide shots, but most of the one's I've seen on this site haven't been particularly good photographs. On the other hand, if someone were to display a photo of an actual suicide (photojournalism) - it would be an extremely poor decision to show it on any website. So why "fake" a dead body scene in the first place? Because our world has dead people? That makes sense ...
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