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 03/02/2004 10:29:32 AM · #1
Just upgraded to a dRebel this past weekend and I’ve got a couple questions:

When I move the camera 90 degrees on either its X or Y axis, it makes a little noise. Is this normal or should the body be completely silent?

Assuming the aforementioned rattle isn’t a problem, I am a bit disappointed with the EF S lens. My G1 took sharper pictures. Is the ER 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5 II USM a good sharp lens? Any testimonials?
03/02/2004 10:36:56 AM · #2
The kit lens: I like that lens myself. Maybe after you've had more time to play and learn the limitations you'll grow to like it.
Not to worry.
The rattle is mentioned often in forums around the web. I have seen it posted on DPReview several times.
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 03/02/2004 10:44:00 AM · #3
I don't own a DRebel but I have heard from enough people that the kit lens is "adequate." That could account for the lack of sharpness. I have also heard that regardless of the lens used (even "L" lenses) pictures are always a bit soft out of the camera because it's a D-SLR and this is done purposely to give you the most control during post processing. Point & Shoot cameras such as the G1 have heavy in camera sharpening and this would account for the pictures looking initially sharper. Good post processing should prove otherwise.
 03/02/2004 10:44:43 AM · #4
MJENNI,

I like the kit lens very much but I agree with your comparison against the G1 lens. I previously had a G2 and the lens was much better quality than the DR kit lens (IMO). I'm sure the G1 or G2 lens is made of much better optics than the DR kit lens being that the kit lens only costs $100. I just compensate with USM in PhotoShop and it does a nice job sharpening up the pics I take with the kit lens.

However, I did spend the $100 for the Canon 50mm f/1.8. WOW!!! Super sharp pics for a $100 lens. It is also a really great lens because you can take pics in just about any lighting conditon (short of dark night club) with no flash and shutter will usually stay above 1/60s giving a really sharp pic. Something you might want to think about.

I am considering the Sigma 24-70mm f/2.8 EX which I hear is a great lens. It runs around $300 or so. This would pretty much replace the kit lens for me. More food for thought.
 03/02/2004 10:47:04 AM · #5
Yeah, K-Rob is right about the softness of images. I have to shoot with an L lens if I want anything that approximates the sharpness of the out-of-camera shots from my old point-and-shoot. Get used to sharpening and over the next few months you may find some pleasure in being able to selectively apply sharpening (don't look at my stuff as any template but I know others have used this to great advantage).

Kev

P.S. - Congrats on the D-Rebel

Message edited by author 2004-03-02 10:47:27.
 03/02/2004 10:48:05 AM · #6
Originally posted by K-Rob:
I don't own a DRebel but I have heard from enough people that the kit lens is "adequate." That could account for the lack of sharpness. I have also heard that regardless of the lens used (even "L" lenses) pictures are always a bit soft out of the camera because it's a D-SLR and this is done purposely to give you the most control during post processing. Point & Shoot cameras such as the G1 have heavy in camera sharpening and this would account for the pictures looking initially sharper. Good post processing should prove otherwise.


While this sharpness piece is true for DSLRs it is somewhat compensated for with the DR because the default sharpness setting is Sharpness +2 (this = Sharpness +4 in the 10D). I get very sharp pics with my 50mm f/1.8 with the DR at it's default settings. PhotoShop sharpening actually seems to oversharpen a bit too much.
03/02/2004 10:48:43 AM · #7
Originally posted by wackybill:
However, I did spend the $100 for the Canon 50mm f/1.8. WOW!!! Super sharp pics for a $100 lens. It is also a really great lens because you can take pics in just about any lighting conditon (short of dark night club) with no flash and shutter will usually stay above 1/60s giving a really sharp pic. Something you might want to think about.


Bill, I actually just did a shoot in a dark nightclub using a 50mm f/2.5 and it worked just fine... so the f/1.8 would be even better

Edit: Congrats and welcome to team 300d!! It's an excellent camera. Take lots of pics and make sure to share them with us. :-)

Message edited by author 2004-03-02 10:49:34.
 03/02/2004 10:53:02 AM · #8
Originally posted by MJENNI:
Just upgraded to a dRebel this past weekend and I’ve got a couple questions:

When I move the camera 90 degrees on either its X or Y axis, it makes a little noise. Is this normal or should the body be completely silent?

Assuming the aforementioned rattle isn’t a problem, I am a bit disappointed with the EF S lens. My G1 took sharper pictures. Is the ER 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5 II USM a good sharp lens? Any testimonials?


Congrats on the cam! It's a great kit lens, considering it was only $200, you can't go wrong - it's quite wide, works well for many different situations.
 03/02/2004 10:58:29 AM · #9
Originally posted by wackybill:
Originally posted by K-Rob:
I don't own a DRebel but I have heard from enough people that the kit lens is "adequate." That could account for the lack of sharpness. I have also heard that regardless of the lens used (even "L" lenses) pictures are always a bit soft out of the camera because it's a D-SLR and this is done purposely to give you the most control during post processing. Point & Shoot cameras such as the G1 have heavy in camera sharpening and this would account for the pictures looking initially sharper. Good post processing should prove otherwise.


While this sharpness piece is true for DSLRs it is somewhat compensated for with the DR because the default sharpness setting is Sharpness +2 (this = Sharpness +4 in the 10D). I get very sharp pics with my 50mm f/1.8 with the DR at it's default settings. PhotoShop sharpening actually seems to oversharpen a bit too much.


Agreed. However, I still believe that the strong in-camera sharpening of the point and shoot cameras give most people the misconception that the $1,000 D-SLR should have pictures much sharper than they are. Although the more expensive lenses will give very sharp images out of the D-SLR it doesn't mean that the kit lens is any worse than that of point and shoot lenses.

MJENNI, remember that lenses also have a "sweet-spot." I don't know what you were shooting at before but try shooting something at around f11 to see if your results are any different and please come back to us with the results.

Message edited by author 2004-03-02 10:59:28.
 03/02/2004 11:00:11 AM · #10
Originally posted by K-Rob:
Originally posted by wackybill:
Originally posted by K-Rob:
I don't own a DRebel but I have heard from enough people that the kit lens is "adequate." That could account for the lack of sharpness. I have also heard that regardless of the lens used (even "L" lenses) pictures are always a bit soft out of the camera because it's a D-SLR and this is done purposely to give you the most control during post processing. Point & Shoot cameras such as the G1 have heavy in camera sharpening and this would account for the pictures looking initially sharper. Good post processing should prove otherwise.


While this sharpness piece is true for DSLRs it is somewhat compensated for with the DR because the default sharpness setting is Sharpness +2 (this = Sharpness +4 in the 10D). I get very sharp pics with my 50mm f/1.8 with the DR at it's default settings. PhotoShop sharpening actually seems to oversharpen a bit too much.


Agreed. However, I still believe that the strong in-camera sharpening of the point and shoot cameras give most people the misconception that the $1,000 D-SLR should have pictures much sharper than they are. Although the more expensive lenses will give very sharp images out of the D-SLR it doesn't mean that the kit lens is any worse than that of point and shoot lenses.

MJENNI, remember that lenses also have a "sweet-spot." I don't know what you were shooting at before but try shooting something at around f11 to see if your results are any different and please come back to us with the results.


I agree! :-)
 03/02/2004 11:03:03 AM · #11
Originally posted by K-Rob:

Agreed. However, I still believe that the strong in-camera sharpening of the point and shoot cameras give most people the misconception that the $1,000 D-SLR should have pictures much sharper than they are. Although the more expensive lenses will give very sharp images out of the D-SLR it doesn't mean that the kit lens is any worse than that of point and shoot lenses.

MJENNI, remember that lenses also have a "sweet-spot." I don't know what you were shooting at before but try shooting something at around f11 to see if your results are any different and please come back to us with the results.


I know we've had this debate before, but I live with the same impression as K-rob, that most cameras OVER sharpen images so that when you see an accurate example, you tend to think it's UNDER sharpened. Now, don't get me wrong, there are images I have taken that I think could be sharper, but it's because of my focus was off for whatever reason - probably laziness on my part.
 03/02/2004 12:46:26 PM · #12
Originally posted by MJENNI:
When I move the camera 90 degrees on either its X or Y axis, it makes a little noise. Is this normal or should the body be completely silent?


Congrats on an excellent camera!

Check out p. 59 of your manual: "When you change the camera's orientation between horizontal and vertical, the camera orientation sensor will make a small sound. This is not a defect."

I've not heard it on mine as I turned all the sound off. I can't stand any chirps, dings, whistles, etc. :-)
 03/02/2004 01:11:08 PM · #13
Given the kit lens is not top of the line. I think the
key here is to keep in mind that it is only a $100.00 lens!
For a hundred bucks I think that the quality is pretty good,
but it will never come close to a L lens. For a hundred bucks you
could look at a L lens through the glass from behind the counter!:D
 03/02/2004 11:29:07 PM · #14
The Rebel has an auto-rotate feature; if you enable it and turn your camera to take a picture, it automatically rotates it the right way for you. I've assumed the "little noise" is the sensor that lets the camera know which way is up. (It isn't a chirp; more of a faint click.)
 03/03/2004 07:46:52 AM · #15
Originally posted by tjavery:
I've not heard it on mine as I turned all the sound off. I can't stand any chirps, dings, whistles, etc. :-)

hehe... it isn't a noise you can turn off, it is a little metal "ball bearing" (if you will) that rolls around and lands on one of 3 wires depending on which way the camera is held. This completes a circuit and allows the camera to know which way it is being held. This design obviously wouldn't work in outer space, but it works great for the majority of people who are under the influence of Earth's gravitational field...

P.S. I agree that the kit lens for the Digital Rebel / 300D is a bargain for only an extra $100...

Message edited by author 2004-03-03 07:47:56.
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