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02/18/2008 06:03:26 PM · #1 |
Before I was so rudely interrupted:
SC needs to get a reading of DPC's opinion on the "rude comments" and how to deal with them. I've submitted a poll idea they should post.
IF SC will poll the community and prove I am wrong, I will shut up about it. I'll just delete my images from the site and/or deal with it.
1) Keep the commenting system as it is
2) Delete comment button
3) ToS rule involving commenting about human subjects (Bear_Music's suggestion) and SC liberal use of it.
4) A hidden until clarified or defended (suggested by Matthew?)
5) Comment rating system?
6)Other ideas.
*referring to this thread:
//www.dpchallenge.com/forum.php?action=read&FORUM_THREAD_ID=743244
Message edited by author 2008-02-18 18:12:49.
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02/18/2008 06:05:06 PM · #2 |
I think Langdon should do the poll. After all he is one that is always trying to make the site better.
I choose option 2. I would LOVE to delete some comments I have. |
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02/18/2008 06:13:47 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Before I was so rudely interrupted:
SC needs to get a reading of DPC's opinion on the "rude comments" and how to deal with them. I've submitted a poll idea they should post.
IF SC will poll the community and prove I am wrong, I will shut up about it. I'll just delete my images from the site and deal with it.
1) Keep the commenting system as it is
2) Delete comment button
3) ToS rule involving commenting about human subjects (Bear_Music's suggestion) and SC liberal use of it.
4) A hidden until clarified or defended (suggested by Matthew?)
5) Comment rating system?
6)Other ideas. |
If this is the place to respond?
1. Yes, my vote
2. Not a good idea ('wow great shot' on every image springs to mind)
3. Nope, beautifull model/child/subject etc would not be allowed to be fair.
4. Who would clarify? (should read the thread whence this came) Not the fotog and SC have enough on their plate.
5. 1 man/womens vote should carry the same weight as the next unless this isn't a democratic site (should the heavyweight scores vote be worth more than the beginners?)
6. see one.
Two pence well spent :) |
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02/18/2008 06:16:31 PM · #4 |
4) the clarify/defend would be placed on the commenter.
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02/18/2008 06:20:30 PM · #5 |
| I think a check box for "did not find this comment helpful" needs to be part of the poll too, if there is going to be one. |
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02/18/2008 06:25:29 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
4) the clarify/defend would be placed on the commenter. |
Ah, think I see, no comments are shown on an image until the fotog agrees with the comment (regardless of if they think it helpfull?) and they can 'challenge' a comment they (the fotog) is not happy with?
Leroy, tbh I started reading 'the' thread but then got side tracked and there are now way too many comments for me to (want) to catch up so I'll say nothing more as I've not seen either the images nor comments.
I do respect you as a fotog and contibuting member here, I hope your gripe is well founded and things turn out ok for you and 'us' |
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02/18/2008 06:35:52 PM · #7 |
On a competing site, EyeFetch, they do something unique, but not anywhere near perfection either.
The viewer has the options of adding comments either by a straight comment like we know here at DPC...
...they also provide photography related questions about the image that the commenter answers.
Something like that would be neat here at DPC. The photography related questions could serve as a teaching tool to a commenter. I guess it could also catch that troll we fear.
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02/18/2008 06:54:47 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by Man_Called_Horse:
On a competing site, EyeFetch, they do something unique, but not anywhere near perfection either.
The viewer has the options of adding comments either by a straight comment like we know here at DPC...
...they also provide photography related questions about the image that the commenter answers.
Something like that would be neat here at DPC. The photography related questions could serve as a teaching tool to a commenter. I guess it could also catch that troll we fear. |
Seems pretty indebt but it would be pretty cool to ask questions on a pic and have the photogs answers(if he/she choose to) next to the question. Questions like why this choice of compositon/color/crop/..etc and have the photogs opinon and what they were trying to achieve. Could be useful to both sides, commenter and photographer. |
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02/18/2008 07:14:50 PM · #9 |
I vote option 1 - leave things as they are.
I've been wound up by comments that I have received but it doesn't mean that the entire system is flawed and needs to be changed. I'm sorry to say this Leroy, but I'm convinced you're having a bad day, or that comment hit a particular nerve, or that model, or something. A few bad or dumb comments shouldn't cause this level of response imo.
What I really don't get is why you can't get over it? You usually have much thicker skin. So someone made a comment that you didn't like? BFD!!! Move on man, really...there's so much more to put the energy into...
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02/18/2008 07:20:10 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by Quasimojo:
What I really don't get is why you can't get over it? You usually have much thicker skin. So someone made a comment that you didn't like? BFD!!! Move on man, really...there's so much more to put the energy into...
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Third party attacks is a personal pet peeve. I don't like seeing those that are not able to defend themselves placed under the gun of insensitive people. I will keep pushing this issue.
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02/18/2008 07:57:43 PM · #11 |
I say leave the rules as they are.
to be honest Leroy I find this comment more offensive then the one in question: It's from the framed challenge
(comment) Love it Leroy! Did you take any of the eyes starring up at the couchie?
(Your response) No, I thought eye contact was the better approach.
I also find that you took the time to answer it more disturbing.
As a professional photographer I would be more selective of wording and the conversations I get involved in. If you think the world is not watching just Google yourself. It's very possible that there is a bride out there looking for a photographer and googles your name. And what does she find: a conversation about one of his images and couchie. If this was my girlfriend (Now Wife)she is looking someplace else. Just something to think about.
Just a semi-professional honest opinion. |
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02/18/2008 08:01:30 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Third party attacks is a personal pet peeve. I don't like seeing those that are not able to defend themselves placed under the gun of insensitive people. I will keep pushing this issue. |
But Leroy, to be perfectly blunt, you put those people in the position to receive comments like that when you posted their photo on the site that is open to the (imperfect) worldwide public audience. You have been here long enough to know that when you post a shot you are inviting comments. You have been here long enough to know that there will always be those small minded commentors. You've been here long enough to know that some kinds of shots (nudes for example) draw more of those small minded commentors. |
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02/18/2008 08:18:34 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by TooCool:
But Leroy, to be perfectly blunt, you put those people in the position to receive comments like that when you posted their photo on the site that is open to the (imperfect) worldwide public audience. You have been here long enough to know that when you post a shot you are inviting comments. You have been here long enough to know that there will always be those small minded commentors. You've been here long enough to know that some kinds of shots (nudes for example) draw more of those small minded commentors. |
TooCool saved me typing it - he's right - they're models in your photos. You can't get defensive over the models you place in your photos, because rightly or wrongly, to the rest of us they are just subjects. Or rather you can, but I think it will cause you a lot of unnecessary aggro.
Look, I made the mistake of using my wife in one of my photos. After I submitted it I realised that I was inviting all kinds of comments about my wife. There were a few dodgy comments that did wind me up but I realised it was my mistake putting Deb in there in the first place and I had to accept whatever came back - no matter how bad it was. I won't do that again...or rather, I won't use Deb in any kind of beauty/fashion type portrait...rather just another actor/actress/random person in my scenes...
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EDIT: The comment that did it was "creepy, very creepy" - that was it - no reason why. Yes it's being rude about either that photograph or my wife (or both) but I chose to submit it. Deb isn't here to defend herself, but I doubt she would care if the comment was "who is that ugly old trollop". On the other hand I would, but I doubt even the most horrible of commenters would say somethign that harsh...and if they do, there's a 'Report Post' button and the SC will handle it.
Message edited by author 2008-02-18 20:24:27.
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02/18/2008 08:23:46 PM · #14 |
After loosely following the other thread (or two?) on this topic, and now this one, I'd say my first vote would be for "leave site as is." My second place preference would be to add a "this topic not helpful" choice.
I don't like sites where one leaves a comment and then it has to be "approved" by the photographer or original poster. It discourages me from leaving comments at all.
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02/18/2008 08:24:39 PM · #15 |
I think if the photographer is going to have the option to delete comments then there also needs to be a corresponding preference to indicate whether you want comments or not. Why comment if someone is just going to delete it?
If we had to make a choice then option 4 as presented but don't agree with hiding the comment. If it's truly offensive it gets removed quick enough. |
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02/18/2008 08:29:08 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by iamkmaniam:
I say leave the rules as they are.
to be honest Leroy I find this comment more offensive then the one in question: It's from the framed challenge
(comment) Love it Leroy! Did you take any of the eyes starring up at the couchie?
(Your response) No, I thought eye contact was the better approach.
I also find that you took the time to answer it more disturbing.
As a professional photographer I would be more selective of wording and the conversations I get involved in. If you think the world is not watching just Google yourself. It's very possible that there is a bride out there looking for a photographer and googles your name. And what does she find: a conversation about one of his images and couchie. If this was my girlfriend (Now Wife)she is looking someplace else. Just something to think about.
Just a semi-professional honest opinion. |
I have to agree here too. Sorry, I can understand how you could have taken the other comment badly, but this comment I think is worse on the model and on the photographer taking it. This comment to me sounds more degoratory and degrading to the model and you for answering it. I'm sorry, but I think that the system kinda works, if you have a question about what was left you in a comment, ask the person who posted it or go straight to SC and let them do the work.
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02/18/2008 08:40:43 PM · #17 |
| leroy can't answer questions because he has been suspended. |
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02/18/2008 08:46:11 PM · #18 |
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02/18/2008 08:47:18 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by Quasimojo:
Originally posted by TooCool:
But Leroy, to be perfectly blunt, you put those people in the position to receive comments like that when you posted their photo on the site that is open to the (imperfect) worldwide public audience. You have been here long enough to know that when you post a shot you are inviting comments. You have been here long enough to know that there will always be those small minded commentors. You've been here long enough to know that some kinds of shots (nudes for example) draw more of those small minded commentors. |
EDIT: The comment that did it was "creepy, very creepy" - that was it - no reason why. Yes it's being rude about either that photograph or my wife (or both) but I chose to submit it. Deb isn't here to defend herself, but I doubt she would care if the comment was "who is that ugly old trollop". On the other hand I would, but I doubt even the most horrible of commenters would say somethign that harsh...and if they do, there's a 'Report Post' button and the SC will handle it. |
ok, so hypothetically someone leaves a comment on an image of your wife saying "who is that ugly old trollop".. you report it and assume SC will handle it, as you say.
who is to say that leroy and/or his model aren't just as offended by the unattractive belly statement or the $20 statement as you would be about the ugly old trollop statement? so he reports it and SC DOESN'T handle it. so leroy and/or his model shouldn't be offended? is that what you all are trying to say? |
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02/18/2008 08:47:26 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by JamieLynn:
leroy can't answer questions because he has been suspended. |
This is not good thing to do. Suspending someone just because you do not agree with his view is not good. We are not living under Taliban. Are we?
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02/18/2008 08:48:27 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by zxaar:
Originally posted by JamieLynn:
leroy can't answer questions because he has been suspended. |
This is not good thing to do. Suspending someone just because you do not agree with his view is not good. We are not living under Taliban. Are we? |
I highly doubt that was the reason for the suspension. |
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02/18/2008 08:49:22 PM · #22 |
I am sure Jamie is joking
right???
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02/18/2008 08:50:24 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by JulietNN:
are you joking? |
not at all.
"You have been suspended from this portion of the site through 02/20/2008 for the following reason:
Engaging in a pattern of disruptive behavior." |
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02/18/2008 08:50:26 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by JulietNN:
are you joking? |
I think she is not joking. People are suspended because someone in SC decides that what he has written is detrimental to site. It happens. |
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02/18/2008 08:52:04 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by zxaar:
Originally posted by JamieLynn:
leroy can't answer questions because he has been suspended. |
This is not good thing to do. Suspending someone just because you do not agree with his view is not good. We are not living under Taliban. Are we? |
I highly doubt that was the reason for the suspension. |
I am pretty sure this is the reason for suspension. If there was a way to give feed back to SC members about their handling of situation it would be useful to single out troll-SCs. |
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