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02/14/2008 12:01:19 PM · #8

Disgusting, and reminds me of the young Islamic woman who was stoned to death, just for falling in love with a man from another tribe.

Sick people in this world...

scalvert

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02/14/2008 01:12:14 PM · #9

Bear in mind that these people are trying to adhere to strict moral codes set forth about 1500 years ago, when such practices were commonplace, and unfortunately they're not limited to the Middle East.

02/14/2008 01:24:10 PM · #10

Originally posted by scalvert:

At the risk of sending this straight to the Rant forum, wouldn't you, as an atheist, assume that these people's moral code (I'm talking about the tribal code and not the Saudi code which supposedly does not support this) would be as valid as any other? If they decide to adhere to it, who are we to tell them they shouldn't?

(I know we've had this discussion ad nauseum, but I seem to have caught you red-handed making a value judgement on another moral code other than your own.)

meyers

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02/14/2008 01:33:11 PM · #11

*sigh*

Atheism is not a set of morals, or values, or anything else. It is merely a proposition that the chance of a deity existing being practically zero. Would "round-earth believers" be assumed to have the same moral code?

Some moral codes *should* be condemned. Consider a hypothetical group that believes lefthanded children should be buried alive. Wouldn't this ridiculous practice deserved vocal condemnation?

Just a couple of points. I'll leave this thread now.

02/14/2008 01:41:23 PM · #12

Although, I too am grateful to be born in the USA...but certainly not during this time period:

Salem Witch Trials

YIKES!!!

::Runs off to polish halo::

Message edited by author 2008-02-14 13:45:16.

scalvert

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02/14/2008 01:42:48 PM · #13

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

I seem to have caught you red-handed making a value judgement on another moral code other than your own.)

I made no judgement in that post. I simply pointed out that what responders here are calling "sick" and "unbelievable" is not unique to Saudi Arabia or even Islam. You'll find similarly tragic tales from tribal areas of India, China or Africa that cling to ancient traditions. Likewise, witchcraft convictions and death by stoning were found right here in America not so long ago.

P.S.- what meyers said.

Message edited by author 2008-02-14 13:43:49.

02/14/2008 01:53:26 PM · #14

Originally posted by scalvert:

I'm confused what strict moral codes are set forth 1500 years ago? According to the article:

"Falih's case underscores shortcomings in Saudi Arabia's Islamic legal system in which rules of evidence are shaky, lawyers are not always present and sentences often depend on the whim of judges."

It sounds to me more like a male dominated feudal system...

If you explain it slow...I promise to get it quick...;-)

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02/14/2008 01:59:12 PM · #15

Originally posted by meyers:

Just figure you've entered into the middle of a conversation that Shannon and I have had for probably 2 years now. Lots of what you have said is perfectly acceptable to me and doesn't realy get at the crux of my argument. A roaming through the Rant forum could catch you up to speed if you had a few hours... ;)

I know you well enough Shannon to catch when you "disapprove". You are rarely outright with it (unless you are arguing with me), but it's there. :)

OmanOtter

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02/14/2008 02:05:35 PM · #16

Quit making this into a man versus woman thing. This is Wahabbi Islam pure and simple. It is not male vs. female. It's civilized versus uncivilized, modern versus stoneage, etc... Come live over here and see for yourself - especially those of you who keep bashing the U.S. There's just no comparison.

02/14/2008 02:12:07 PM · #17

Interestingly, this whole thing may have nothing to do with morals and more to do with simple lack of eduation. Look at it this way, if "witchcraft" did exist, then certainly it could be potentially a capital crime (at least I'd assume we have executed people for lesser offenses in our own culture). The problem comes in the fact that we generally do not believe witchcraft to be real and thus the punishment seems absurd. So there is a sense in which the judgement is perfectly moral but based on false assumptions.

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02/14/2008 02:17:54 PM · #18

According to the article, the root of this whole case came about because...

"...a man allegedly became impotent after being bewitched by Falih, the rights group said."

Perhaps, fundamentally, this issue is a medical one...is there a doctor in the house?

;-)

Message edited by author 2008-02-14 14:18:11.

GeneralE

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02/14/2008 02:19:59 PM · #19

Perhaps Cialis is right for him ... :-(

OmanOtter

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02/14/2008 02:21:02 PM · #20

She turned me into a newt - but I got better.

scalvert

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02/14/2008 02:21:33 PM · #21

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

I know you well enough Shannon to catch when you "disapprove". You are rarely outright with it (unless you are arguing with me), but it's there. :)

Oh sure, I definitely disapprove, but that only requires some basic human decency. One can disbelieve in Zeus, Jupiter, Odin, Horus, and a thousand other gods and still have compassion and respect for fellow humans. The idea that any ancient textbook is a prerequisite for morality baffles me.

Bugzeye

02/14/2008 02:25:46 PM · #22

Yeah I was thinking that also, STD's Hardly punishable by death but perhaps they could sew her hoo haa up until she learns to play safe.

I also agree with what DrAchoo was saying about lack of education.

I think it has alot to do with it. Alot of the older generations refuse to believe in modern science as a way of disproving their long lived belief system. They in turn use old school methods of education and the future generations grow up believing in the same old crazy myths. You need to get through to the youth in these cultures and show them the proof. Or they will get set in the way of the past and nothing will ever change.

Originally posted by hihosilver:

02/14/2008 02:29:19 PM · #23

Originally posted by scalvert:

The idea that any ancient textbook is a prerequisite for morality baffles me.

Of course!!! We need to send this gentleman a copy of....

Kama Sutra

;-)