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02/27/2004 06:14:05 PM · #1
I was totaly bored today and I whas looking at some DPC history, and I was reading a few comments and stuff, then I noticed a few people who only marked comments as being helpful those "i like this" and "this is beautiful" comments. All others that suggest some improovements no metter how kind or unkind they were made are unhelpful. I got curious and looked at the comments I made and were not found helpful. I noticed again that a few only checked as helpful comments that say "i like this -10" anyone who may find some improovements that could maybe be considered, unhelpful. I'm sorry but that's just so low. I think if a comment isn't rude should be helpful, if someone put an effort in it, trying to honestly share theyr point of view even if you don't agree. Makes me wonder should I even comment anymore? Probably yes, I'm sure there are people who care and who's trying to learn a bit from everyone. Maybe I will cut the "i like this" type of comments.
02/27/2004 06:22:47 PM · #2
Smart thinking!

Well, you'll always get a Thanks from me for a comment! :)
02/27/2004 06:30:44 PM · #3
I forgot to say I saw one where all people that suggested improovements talked about the exact same thing. Ofcourse they were all found unhelpful. I mean if 5-6 people talk the same thing without 1 being able to see what the onther said they must be saying something. There were also a couple who liked it as it is and those were helpful ofcourse.

Message edited by author 2004-02-27 18:31:35.
02/27/2004 06:44:34 PM · #4
If someone gave me a comment that included the line "ugly tone", I wouldn't mark it as helpful, simply because there is a more positive way of saying that, like "It would look better in a different tone". I mean its not hard to rephrase a comment and make it positive. I learn through positive comments, not negative ones.
02/27/2004 06:52:30 PM · #5
it's not rude or meaningless comments I'm talking about. Ok I give you 2 examples without mentioning persons or pictures. There is one in Shallow DOF where several people suggested that maybe a certain object should have a bit more focus "all unhelpful" and a few who just say "i like this" those were all helpful. Another in letting go where several people suggested it may stretch the meaning of letting go too far. All unhelpful again but the same "i like it" messages rule all over. And many many others. That's what I find so low not short unkind comments, but comments that really try to be kind and helpful.
02/27/2004 06:56:47 PM · #6
Originally posted by frumoaznicul:

it's not rude or meaningless comments I'm talking about. Ok I give you 2 examples without mentioning persons or pictures. There is one in Shallow DOF where several people suggested that maybe a certain object should have a bit more focus "all unhelpful" and a few who just say "i like this" those were all helpful. Another in letting go where several people suggested it may stretch the meaning of letting go too far. All unhelpful again but the same "i like it" messages rule all over. And many many others. That's what I find so low not short unkind comments, but comments that really try to be kind and helpful.


Would a comment like: "This is S--T!", "10" checked as a helpful comment, I wonder?

Message edited by author 2004-02-27 18:57:05.
02/27/2004 06:58:02 PM · #7
no I hope that wasn't me :)
02/27/2004 06:59:29 PM · #8
That one concerning the focus is the only one in your whole list of commnents that really fits your complaint though. Of all your comments that didn't get marked helpful, probably about half were to people (or on pictures) that didn't get any comments marked helpful. Some folks just ignore that feature. Of the rest, a couple were folks who didn't mark comments about not meeting the challenge as helpful - some people don't like that as a comment or criteria for voting. A few were on pictures where the person only appeared to mark substantial comments as helpfull. Several had no rhyme or reason I could see - positive and negative comments marked helpful, positive and negative comments not marked helpful. And one, or maybe two (I forget the second one) fell into the category you're complaining about: only negative comments were left as unhelpful. Not too bad out of, what, 60+ comments?

I think maybe you're being a bit too sensitive. :)
02/27/2004 07:01:47 PM · #9
Originally posted by faidoi:

Would a comment like: "This is S--T!", "10" checked as a helpful comment, I wonder?


??? Did you actually see that in his comments, or is that a rhetorical question?
02/27/2004 07:02:03 PM · #10
Originally posted by frumoaznicul:

no I hope that wasn't me :)


Nope, I was just joking saying sometimes only positive comments will get a helpful comment box checked. Depending on where you are from "Being the S--Ts" is actual very complimentry.

Message edited by author 2004-02-27 19:02:23.
02/27/2004 07:08:59 PM · #11
I'm not being sensitive and I'm not only refering to the comments I made. I said in my first post I went randomly through alot of DPC history today. I'm not even complaining I was just surprised how low can some get when handleing comments. About my 60+ comments there are only a few weeks since i became a member here I was registered before but not so active. Anyways I counted 2 in my list of comments, and I didn't count those who ignore the "helpful" feture. I'm sorry I posted this I was just in a bit of shock, I'm not complaining or anything like that. I'm sorry if that's what you understood.
02/27/2004 07:17:45 PM · #12
I got your idea. Even if someone liked my photo by saying "I like it", I would mark that as "helpful" because its helping me know that what i'm doing is right and liked by others. I would also mark a "helpful" even if it was a suggestion that every commenter shared, like "a bit more focus would help", simply because I find that helpful. But others don't, its all how they look at it.
02/27/2004 07:20:34 PM · #13
Hope I didn't come across like I was hammering you. :)

I was just trying to point out that sometimes you can see a few occurances of something like this, and maybe it looks bigger than it really is. I'm sure there are some who just don't like to hear anything negative about their work. Oh, well, what can you do? Some have suggested adding another option, like "Thanks for the comment" or something that would distinguish between acknowleging that the person took the time, vs. "Helpful" for identifying that the comment actually helped the photographer in some aspect. But then people who didn't like negative comments would get to slam you twice as hard! Sometimes I think the helpful box just ought to go away. I personally don't really pay attention to that statistic. Maybe if a comment is useful enough to the photographer, they should just send the thanks directly to the commenter.
02/27/2004 07:21:35 PM · #14
exactly but checking only comments that say "i like it" regardless of what all the others say that's low. verry verry low. it's like saying "i'm the perfect photographer I don't care what anybody else thinks" that's all I wanned to say with this nothing else.

Message edited by author 2004-02-27 19:23:43.
02/27/2004 07:23:13 PM · #15
I agree that it's not a good way to handle comments. But I've learned on other sites that some people don't really want constructive criticism at all.

If there were more emphasis here on commenting on portfolios, then you could simply make sure you spend more time commenting on people who are appreciative. However, that's not the norm here. There's no reward for doing it either way the way this site is designed;

I do look at who marks my critiques as helpful, especially those made for the critique club, just as some feedback.

02/27/2004 07:24:03 PM · #16
frumoaznicul, I agree. Maybe those people just don't want to learn from others!

They are the ones who are gonna lose...

Message edited by author 2004-02-27 19:25:11.
02/27/2004 07:28:32 PM · #17
Originally posted by ScottK:

Hope I didn't come across like I was hammering you. :)


Not at all I just had the feeling you missunderstood what I'm trying to say.

Originally posted by tyt2000:

Even if someone liked my photo by saying "I like it", I would mark that as "helpful" because its helping me know that what i'm doing is right and liked by others.


your right thanks for pointing me this out I really wasn't going to make that sort of comments anymore but you changed my mind :)
02/27/2004 07:34:02 PM · #18
No problem :)

I wouldn't make a comment like that though, I personally like to comment on all aspects of the photo such as lighting, DOF, etc.. Because it also helps me become a better photographer.

Message edited by author 2004-02-27 19:35:44.
02/27/2004 08:12:19 PM · #19
There are some comments made where the person was trying to be helpful but wasnt actually helpful to the photographer. Sometimes photographers have a specific look in mind and a comment with a suggestion that would totally go against that look is something that I would consider not helpful. Two 'unhelpful' comments that come to mind include being told to read my manual on how to focus properly on a soft focus shot, and a complaint about my 'studio lighting' on a zoo shot. I'm sure if I was going for a perfectly focused shot and actually took a zoo animal home to my studio then the comments may have been helpful, but since I werent, I considered them not helpful. Other examples such as 'this would be great in blue' when the subject is red may be trying to be helpful, but if the photographer wanted it blue then it's not being helpful.

That said, I'm sure there are people who dont mark any comments that criticize their shot as helpful. I think the whole 'helpful comments' part of the website is something fun. Some people enjoy using them as a form of feedback to say they appreciate the comments, some people never mark them helpful.
02/27/2004 08:17:38 PM · #20
Originally posted by moodville:

a complaint about my 'studio lighting' on a zoo shot. I'm sure if I was going for a perfectly focused shot and actually took a zoo animal home to my studio


That's the shot that finally made me finally join, just to give a "10". I think that's the most emotional shot that was every been posted in a challenge.
02/27/2004 08:23:54 PM · #21
Originally posted by faidoi:

Originally posted by moodville:

a complaint about my 'studio lighting' on a zoo shot. I'm sure if I was going for a perfectly focused shot and actually took a zoo animal home to my studio


That's the shot that finally made me finally join, just to give a "10". I think that's the most emotional shot that was every been posted in a challenge.


Awww thanks, you're making me blush!
02/27/2004 08:24:25 PM · #22
Interesting observation, I think that in every group of people you'll find lot's of interests, but mainly two: the ones who really want to learn (photography in this case), and the ones that only want to show off and enhance their ego.
02/27/2004 08:41:34 PM · #23
Nope, I was just joking saying sometimes only positive comments will get a helpful comment box checked. Depending on where you are from "Being the S--Ts" is actual very complimentry....

Yes I can see that! Poop is a good thing, very complimentry!

LOL
02/27/2004 08:43:39 PM · #24
Originally posted by KentuckyGal:

Nope, I was just joking saying sometimes only positive comments will get a helpful comment box checked. Depending on where you are from "Being the S--Ts" is actual very complimentry....

Yes I can see that! Poop is a good thing, very complimentry!

LOL


Pretty sure the veggies growing out in the backyard can appreciate a lot more :P
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