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02/25/2004 06:43:34 PM · #1
The current conflict challenge seems like a waste of my time to look through the majority of the photos...some are well taken, but don't actaully meet the challenge. A {edit} is not a conflict, whether or not to {edit} is not a conflict...I realize that the majority of you will say, that conflict is in the eye of the beholder, but even so, there seems to be a startling lack of creativity.

Message edited by EddyG - Pls do not discuss specific entries during voting.
02/25/2004 06:48:40 PM · #2
I would agree with you on this topic SirBiggsALot. I have tried to look through some of the photos but can't seem to grasp any of the conflict in the photos. When you take a photo of a animal and then trying to reinvent what is happening in the photo to meet the challeneg I find to be a little uninteresting. The idea behind a conflict is to take a photo that is a destinct conflict not something that is stretched and skewed to fit a challenege. If you have nothing good to submit than dont submit anything at all...wait for another challenege...

ReS
02/25/2004 07:10:44 PM · #3
I planed to use this one but decided not to last night. It looks confused to me. There are buildings all around and cars so was unable to get a better shot.

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02/25/2004 07:14:28 PM · #4
My 'Conflict' photo shows the conflict right in the title.. i dunno why people can't see it.
02/25/2004 07:15:19 PM · #5
I am not trying to be a jerk here but the conflict once again is way too out there...I have nothing against your photo taking ability its just the idea of conflict doesnt seem to be present enough to smack me in the face when I see this photo...A tree in a rock is unique yes but I dont know so much if it is a conflict...but it is like SirBiggsALot said it is in the eye of the beholder...

ReS
02/25/2004 07:15:40 PM · #6
Jmritz,

I'd have scored that as one of the best shots in the challenge! The overall standard is very poor (although there are a handful of exceptions)
02/25/2004 07:20:28 PM · #7
jmsetzler,

I understand that the title of the photo may make the photo clear but isnt the idea to have a Conflict "Photo" not a conflict title that interprets the photo...the photo should be able to stand alone without the title and be able to explain itself...

Sorry if you feel I am raggin' on you all but it just doens't seem to sink in to me that the title "has" to explain a photo to make it fit a challenege...

ReS
02/25/2004 07:21:07 PM · #8
That tree was a little thing 20 odd years ago and that rock was not split. It took all these years for the tree to do what has been done. Maybe not a big Conflict in human terms but a real one to that poor tree. And thanks andywightman for the kind words.
02/25/2004 07:30:53 PM · #9
I most truly agree! Man, I haven't dished out that many low scoers in a while. A good chunk of them seem to have been taken 10 minutes before deadline. Even as annoying as it was, I found a little humor while voting. I saw some shots that had absolutely nothing to do with the challenge, and were titled just as the picture is. A hypothetical example would be taking a snapshot of a rock and titling it "Rock." There were several of those and they just made me laugh. Granted, there are a couple of really neat shots in this one though. There are a few diamonds in the rough.
02/25/2004 07:33:02 PM · #10
well yeah.. about that title thing, or the conflict in the picture.

i felt my image had a number of conflicts.. perhaps i can't say them here to keep things secrety secrety... maybe i chose the wrong title... but i had a commetn saying they could see no conflict.... but i could pick out 3 conflicts....
:(
my picture is doing bad.... sniff sniff
02/25/2004 07:37:55 PM · #11
Originally posted by leaf:

well yeah.. about that title thing, or the conflict in the picture.

i felt my image had a number of conflicts.. perhaps i can't say them here to keep things secrety secrety... maybe i chose the wrong title... but i had a commetn saying they could see no conflict.... but i could pick out 3 conflicts....
:(
my picture is doing bad.... sniff sniff


I wasn't trying to point out that titles were bad, it just seems that a few people payed little to no regard (and when I say no regard, I mean NO ragard) to the challenge. I was just saying that it was somewhat humerous. I'm sure your shot isn't bad by any means. As long as you like it, that's all that counts. Best of luck to ya! :)

PS I think you have some great shots in your Portfolio!
02/25/2004 07:38:31 PM · #12
Sirbiggsalot,
It was a difficult challenge to photograph.
Did you submit a conflict photo?
I think in many cases the title is very important to explaining the shot when the challenge is a difficult one.
I am sure my shot was one of the ones that was editted out of your post, I knew it was stretching it a bit, but in my mind it was conflict when I shot it, I shot it with the challenge in mind.
If it's a waste of your time, don't vote.
Can't you still learn from and enjoy the photos that are well taken even if they don't, in your mind, meet the challenge?
Ressurected, how do you know that the animal shot was reinvented in order to meet the challenge?
02/25/2004 07:39:25 PM · #13
Originally posted by jmsetzler:

My 'Conflict' photo shows the conflict right in the title.. i dunno why people can't see it.


The funny thing about that is, and remember I drive in Dallas traffic every business day of the year, almost all people live in a dream. Their world is confined to the small universe that they have imprisoned themselves in that maintains their comfort zone. If something comes up beyond that scope (universe), then the “deer in the headlight” effect takes over and automatic rejection solves the dilemma. I have several writings on this cause and effect affliction but due to most not either wanting to read them or unable to understand them, I wont paste them here.

Hopefully I’ll see your conflict as my mind is as open as a cesspool. ;)
02/25/2004 07:46:19 PM · #14
Settle there Paige I'm not here to point fingers. When the challenge is over I will be more than happy to talk about the few animal photos that seemed to be WAY out there in the conflict issue. We dont know what animals are thinking...so to create a conflict with a single animal seems a little out there...unless it was a stereo typical idea laced around it. For example an Elephant Vs. Mouse - Dog vs. Cat - Cat vs. Bird. Something more along those lines...

And

Yes I can enjoy any photo that is taken but when it is submitted to a specific challeneg you need understand that you are suppose to represent the challenge being presented in the photo and have it stand alone without any title...I hope you understand.

This was a difficult topic to cover but if you sat and thought about it there are many different approaches that could be taken or could have been taken better...that is all I am saying...I am not trying to bash you and or your photo...sorry if it seemed that way..
02/25/2004 07:58:26 PM · #15
“Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do.”

~ Benjamin Franklin
02/25/2004 08:03:13 PM · #16
At the risk of being a buttinsky, I'll throw in my two cents.

As I only recently registered, this was the first challenge I submitted to (doing rather poorly BTW), but I have watched other prior challenges come and go. I do think this particular challenge was a difficult one to photograph/capture. Some of the photos are a bit of a stretch, but you have to realize that each person sees something in their own way. The trick is to capture that in a photo and convey the same perception to the rest of us. They may or may not succeed to varying degrees. I for one, will try to look at these with an open mind. On the other hand, there were a few entries which I thought were excellent photos, but quite clearly did not meet the challenge topic. These included subjects besides animals. Unfortunately, when you create a title to manipulate the perception of a photo to fit the theme, the photo itself loses appeal.

I think you just have to vote your conscience keeping the theme in mind. I don't have a problem voting on the submissions that don't meet the theme, but I don't anticipate giving them a high score either, no matter how appealing or technically good they might be.

By the way, if someone didn't think I met the theme with my photos, even if I may have thought I did, I would expect them to vote their own conscience. The thing to remember is that we can learn from other peoples' perspectives and perceptions. Have fun and learn a little along the way.

Chuck

Message edited by author 2004-02-25 20:04:29.
02/25/2004 09:31:43 PM · #17
Originally posted by jmsetzler:

My 'Conflict' photo shows the conflict right in the title.. i dunno why people can't see it.


You are joking are you not?

If not how come your opinion about "titles" has changed? :)
02/25/2004 09:36:25 PM · #18
Originally posted by tarique:

Originally posted by jmsetzler:

My 'Conflict' photo shows the conflict right in the title.. i dunno why people can't see it.


You are joking are you not?

If not how come your opinion about "titles" has changed? :)


Or he's been taken over by zombies......now there's a conflict.
02/25/2004 09:55:46 PM · #19
Originally posted by orussell:

Or he's been taken over by zombies......now there's a conflict.


Ha Ha!

Well my photo is a very literal representation and it is being slammed for being that....

I should have done the same thing here as I wish I should have done in the textures challenge as I did in the shallow DoF and in the Zodiac ;)
02/25/2004 09:58:05 PM · #20
Why didn't you just name this thread "I'm more creative than any of you who entered the Conflict Challenge"?

You arrogant "creativists" (my word, it's new and not-so-creative) need to just shut up and produce new photos so all us dummies can learn photographic excellence from you!

BTW, I didn't enter. I'm just sick of people complaining about other people's lack of creativity.
02/25/2004 10:52:48 PM · #21
Originally posted by Resurrected:

I am not trying to be a jerk here but the conflict once again is way too out there...I have nothing against your photo taking ability its just the idea of conflict doesnt seem to be present enough to smack me in the face when I see this photo...A tree in a rock is unique yes but I dont know so much if it is a conflict...but it is like SirBiggsALot said it is in the eye of the beholder...

ReS


I find that comment pretty narrow minded. If everyone's photos had to be so blindingly obvious of meeting the challenge, to smack you in the face, this would be a pretty boring place. Open up your mind and try and see what the photographer is trying to show you.
02/25/2004 11:20:56 PM · #22
Originally posted by cbeller:

I find that comment pretty narrow minded. If everyone's photos had to be so blindingly obvious of meeting the challenge, to smack you in the face, this would be a pretty boring place. Open up your mind and try and see what the photographer is trying to show you.


Point well taken. Sorry I said it like I did. But if I have to sit here and make up something that isnt even depicted in the photo I dont find it to be on topic that was all that my point was. Sorry if you feel I am narrow minded. Thats your porogative to feel that way oh well...mind being opened...
02/25/2004 11:31:07 PM · #23
Here's the point to all this...not that people are inept photographers, but it seems that people tend to rely so much the title to make their photo. The title should accenuate the photo, but not define the photo. Why should we have to be subject to last minute idea submissions that only have conflict because of a creative title. People again will be angry that I have said this because I have taken a "personal jab" which isn't true. I have submitted a photo knowing that it wouldn't beat my average...and it isn't, but the conflict is there without the title...I don't think thats too much to state.
02/25/2004 11:58:12 PM · #24
I'll throw in my two cents. If you have to think and use your imagination for the photo, there's a word for that... "art". The point of the challenges is to have fun, and hopefully to produce something artistic.

Conformity is following the norm. Creativity is variation from the norm!

02/26/2004 12:39:09 AM · #25
I agree that the quality of photos in this challenge seems to be below the norm. I'm not sure why that is. I'm not even talking about not meeting the challenge here. Just some ill prepared photographs. I love my entry. I think it is top ten material for sure. Unfortunately my score does not reflect that so I hate all of the other photographs. I think this is a common state of mind on here. That, of course, is why my photograph is doing so poorly.

:)
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