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02/27/2004 08:16:22 AM · #1 |
Originally posted by jmritz:
I planed to use this one but decided not to last night. It looks confused to me. There are buildings all around and cars so was unable to get a better shot.
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Would have voted this an 8 or 9 just for the subject matter. Very unusual. Not all shots need to be a pretty picture for me. |
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02/27/2004 05:56:10 AM · #2 |
Originally posted by GoldBerry:
I wouldn't even pretend for a second that me misunderstanding and not seeing a point to someone else's photo makes THEM a bad photographer..I'd first consider that maybe I'M the problem, maybe I'm just not that bright, or just having a bad day. It's highly likely. |
As a rule, you cannot define the skill of the photographer with one photograph. There are certain elements of a photograph that "sell" the picture to the viewers. The photographers are also biased because it is their picture, and there might be one thing that makes that particular photo stand out even if they lack the "selling" points that go along with the ribbon photos.
I've submitted some dreadful photographs, which is easy to say in hindsight. I don't think I'm a bad photographer because of it. I'm sure Ansel Adams has taken a few he's not so proud of.
If I, as the photographer, did not effectively make my point to you and you don't get the photo, that isn't your fault, it's mine. Sometimes its not about making points or conveying messages as much as it is making someone see things in a different and inspiring way. Pretty much to do the "mundane" challenge every week.
Bob
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02/27/2004 04:09:03 AM · #3 |
Originally posted by cainn:
huh...I just want to say HI :)
People, Relax. I believe that this site was created for people to have fun and learn more about photography(I could be wrong). Does it meet the challenge, doe it not? Is the title describing the photo or is the photo describing the title? Has he changed his opinion or has he not? Who cares? If people are sumitting photos to showcase, so what, let them. The question should be simply, why did you join? For me it was to have fun, learn more, and study others works so I can be a better photographer. I have entered ever challenge since I found this site and I've received a lot of feed back (some good, some not so good) But the one thing I can say is that I am having fun, I'm learning, and you better believe that I am studing the works of others. Someday I will win one of those ribbons, you can bet on that, but in the meantime I'll keep clicking. Life is to short to take this so personally. Quick question: Is this site going to lead to you a great career as photographer? Can You win cash prizes?...No
So why did you join this site? |
I think for some it has or may be... so your wrong. |
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02/27/2004 01:35:01 AM · #4 |
Originally posted by cainn:
People, Relax. I believe that this site was created for people to have fun and learn more about photography... Life is to short to take this so personally. Quick question: Is this site going to lead to you a great career as photographer? Can You win cash prizes?...No
So why did you join this site? |
Good philosophy, Cainn! You said what I've been thinking, and said it beautifully.
Keep snapping.
Message edited by author 2004-02-27 01:36:10. |
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02/27/2004 01:13:20 AM · #5 |
huh...I just want to say HI :)
People, Relax. I believe that this site was created for people to have fun and learn more about photography(I could be wrong). Does it meet the challenge, doe it not? Is the title describing the photo or is the photo describing the title? Has he changed his opinion or has he not? Who cares? If people are sumitting photos to showcase, so what, let them. The question should be simply, why did you join? For me it was to have fun, learn more, and study others works so I can be a better photographer. I have entered ever challenge since I found this site and I've received a lot of feed back (some good, some not so good) But the one thing I can say is that I am having fun, I'm learning, and you better believe that I am studing the works of others. Someday I will win one of those ribbons, you can bet on that, but in the meantime I'll keep clicking. Life is to short to take this so personally. Quick question: Is this site going to lead to you a great career as photographer? Can You win cash prizes?...No
So why did you join this site?
Message edited by author 2004-02-27 01:17:15. |
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02/26/2004 10:50:21 PM · #6 |
(they) are soo good,OMG !
Message edited by author 2004-02-26 23:40:22. |
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02/26/2004 02:47:01 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by bestagents:
"Life is hard. Life is harder when you're stupid" |
absolutely! |
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02/26/2004 02:45:13 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by jonpink:
Originally posted by bestagents:
...Since i know the subject matter in Conflict, and this IS a visual medium, i look at eah pic with the title scrolled off screen. If i don't 'get it' (see conflict) i say so, score a 1 or 2 and move on................. |
God help us all.... |
that's what i thought... |
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02/26/2004 02:12:14 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by GoldBerry:
what's that going down the road with you running after it???? oh, it's the point I was trying to make...too bad you can't catch it! lol
Let me rephrase: many geniuses were misunderstood in their time because the people judging their work were too close minded and set in their ways to grasp it. I was implying that by me not getting a photo, perhaps I'm one of those close-minded individuals. |
Just because you (or anyone else) does not understand it, does not imply in any way that it is genius.
I can spell. I cannot type.
Bad typists of the world - UNTIE!
While my typing may make my prose unappealing, if you got the message then I have succeded.
chris
"Life is hard. Life is harder when you're stupid" |
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02/26/2004 01:16:50 PM · #10 |
GoldBerry, you are just too funny. Keep it up.
edit: spelling, it matters.
Message edited by author 2004-02-26 13:17:20. |
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02/26/2004 01:01:19 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by bestagents:
If you think that you are the problem, having a bad day, etc, on some pics, than one can assume this on all pics. So if you doubt yourself on a few pics, then on all, how can you vote on any? You may be wrong on the bad ones, the good ones ... do you know what you like? If you like it, score it more than if you don't.
Question: You see a beautiful pic, but it does not meet the challenge. Do you score it high on it's own merits, or low for missing the challenge?
Question: You see a bad picture (lighting, composition, etc) but it nails the subject dead on in your mind. What score does it get?
I tend to score 'beautiful' pics higher than 'ugly bad' ones, regardless of challenge suitability.
However, I have seen pics of kids, sunsets, pets, flowers that seem to have no other purpose than trying to showcase their pic of the week, irregardless of the challenge subject. Sorry, but i feel those folks are NOT playing 'the game' according to the rules, but either feeding the egos with a submission or submitting any old easy to take pic so that they have a submission and don't feel left out.
Harsh? perhaps, but then if it hurts to hear it, perhaps it is because there is some truth to it!
chris
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what's that going down the road with you running after it???? oh, it's the point I was trying to make...too bad you can't catch it! lol
Let me rephrase: many geniuses were misunderstood in their time because the people judging their work were too close minded and set in their ways to grasp it. I was implying that by me not getting a photo, perhaps I'm one of those close-minded individuals.
Message edited by author 2004-02-26 13:03:19. |
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02/26/2004 12:55:16 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by bestagents:
Yeah, i agree. My method: Since i know the subject matter in Conflict, and this IS a visual medium, i look at eah pic with the title scrolled off screen. If i don't 'get it' (see conflict) i say so, score a 1 or 2 and move on.
This time i did try something different - i score them all and then it gives me that page ranked by my votes. I take my top pic(s) and give them 10s. then the nest set 9s, so that i have some 10,9,8,7. Even if the best pic is not a true 10 overall, it is a 10 for this particular challenge - the best available. Anything I gave a 5 (average) or less stays there.
I know i have odd taste in pics - in Textures the three winners were not my top 3 pics.
I know others have odd tastes - my Conflict entry is not technically (lighting) a very good pic, yet is getting higher scores and more favorable comments than any previous entry of mine. I seem to be getting 'points' for what 'might have been' rather than what 'is'. Is this the ultimate in interpretation by the viewer?
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02/26/2004 12:48:46 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by e301:
Originally posted by bestagents:
Question: You see a bad picture (lighting, composition, etc) but it nails the subject dead on in your mind. What score does it get?
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I'm not sure it's even possible for this to happen - by definition, a 'bad' picture isn't going to nail the subject.
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Does it get anymore obvious that he clarified what a bad pic was in his context, he did spell it out!!!
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02/26/2004 12:46:21 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by bestagents:
Question: You see a bad picture (lighting, composition, etc) but it nails the subject dead on in your mind. What score does it get?
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I'm not sure it's even possible for this to happen - by definition, a 'bad' picture isn't going to nail the subject.
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02/26/2004 12:23:35 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by GoldBerry:
I wouldn't even pretend for a second that me misunderstanding and not seeing a point to someone else's photo makes THEM a bad photographer..I'd first consider that maybe I'M the problem, maybe I'm just not that bright, or just having a bad day. It's highly likely. |
If you think that you are the problem, having a bad day, etc, on some pics, than one can assume this on all pics. So if you doubt yourself on a few pics, then on all, how can you vote on any? You may be wrong on the bad ones, the good ones ... do you know what you like? If you like it, score it more than if you don't.
Question: You see a beautiful pic, but it does not meet the challenge. Do you score it high on it's own merits, or low for missing the challenge?
Question: You see a bad picture (lighting, composition, etc) but it nails the subject dead on in your mind. What score does it get?
I tend to score 'beautiful' pics higher than 'ugly bad' ones, regardless of challenge suitability.
However, I have seen pics of kids, sunsets, pets, flowers that seem to have no other purpose than trying to showcase their pic of the week, irregardless of the challenge subject. Sorry, but i feel those folks are NOT playing 'the game' according to the rules, but either feeding the egos with a submission or submitting any old easy to take pic so that they have a submission and don't feel left out.
Harsh? perhaps, but then if it hurts to hear it, perhaps it is because there is some truth to it!
chris
The world is flat. The world is round. Just not spherical.
Message edited by author 2004-02-26 12:27:43. |
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02/26/2004 12:08:21 PM · #16 |
I've been getting slamed with comments saying that my image does not meet the challenge.
This kinda blows me away and I'll have to ask after the challenge is over. Personally I believe to miss my conflict you have to be so preset on giving a bad score and doing it so quickly that it goes over their head like they are some blond bimbo from Hooters.
I didn't expect to win, but I was expecting a low 6, hell I started this challenge off with a bunch of trolls giving me 1's, what the F is up with that. Now I'm hovering around a low 5.
Maybe those who are complaining should start judging each image seperatly instead of bringing your baggage from the previous image.
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02/26/2004 12:04:03 PM · #17 |
| I wouldn't even pretend for a second that me misunderstanding and not seeing a point to someone else's photo makes THEM a bad photographer..I'd first consider that maybe I'M the problem, maybe I'm just not that bright, or just having a bad day. It's highly likely. |
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02/26/2004 12:02:46 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by peecee:
After browsing the entries I decided to mark very low on all the entries that deliberately did not meet the challenge.It seems some people have entered just to get a picture in.
And according to one entrant I am stupid.
say no more.
Paul. |
Yeah, i agree. My method: Since i know the subject matter in Conflict, and this IS a visual medium, i look at eah pic with the title scrolled off screen. If i don't 'get it' (see conflict) i say so, score a 1 or 2 and move on.
This time i did try something different - i score them all and then it gives me that page ranked by my votes. I take my top pic(s) and give them 10s. then the nest set 9s, so that i have some 10,9,8,7. Even if the best pic is not a true 10 overall, it is a 10 for this particular challenge - the best available. Anything I gave a 5 (average) or less stays there.
I know i have odd taste in pics - in Textures the three winners were not my top 3 pics.
I know others have odd tastes - my Conflict entry is not technically (lighting) a very good pic, yet is getting higher scores and more favorable comments than any previous entry of mine. I seem to be getting 'points' for what 'might have been' rather than what 'is'. Is this the ultimate in interpretation by the viewer?
chris |
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02/26/2004 11:55:55 AM · #19 |
After browsing the entries I decided to mark very low on all the entries that deliberately did not meet the challenge.It seems some people have entered just to get a picture in.
And according to one entrant I am stupid.
say no more.
Paul. |
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02/26/2004 11:51:20 AM · #20 |
Well, I tkinh title does make a diffrence.
I now know if I have put other title, I would do
better, but im doing OK now...
I know where I was wrong, I will think mor next time!
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02/26/2004 08:13:24 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by tarique:
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
My 'Conflict' photo shows the conflict right in the title.. i dunno why people can't see it. |
You are joking are you not?
If not how come your opinion about "titles" has changed? :) |
of course he does................... |
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02/26/2004 08:12:25 AM · #22 |
Conflict was a difficult challenge - I had no idea how to come up with a photo to enter so I chickend out and left this well alone. I manage to do badly even when I 'think' I have a good idea!
On titles - they should not infulence the vote and I have been trying to ignore them and just look at the photo. Also I have a new rule - all my future entries are not going to have a title and I will see if this makes any difference to the votes I get.
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02/26/2004 07:52:42 AM · #23 |
I have give a hefty number of 4's or less in this challenge. After the first few, I made basically 2 criteria on which to vote.
1) Could I ever see this on a wall or on a calendar somewhere? I reckon if it is "art" then it should be hung and displayed somewhere.
2) Could I put it on the front page of the newspaper with big bold black letters above it that said "Conflict" and have it look like it actually belonged there. Maybe I'm old fashioned here, but I take conflict as being something with a protagonist and an antagonist. Difficult situations are hardships, not conflicts. Personifying inanimate objects to simulate conflict would be acceptable as well in a representitive sense of conflict.
But above all things, consider the source. I don't need Websters definition of it or anything either. I know what I'm looking for, the best you could do is narrow that scope even further. I was a little surprised there were this many entries in this challenge as this was a difficult challenge that I did not participate in.
Best of Luck to all of you with pictures in - Bob
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02/26/2004 05:23:04 AM · #24 |
| Talking $h#T on the internet is like the special olympics... if you win, you are still retarded. |
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02/26/2004 02:50:43 AM · #25 |
I know that when I last time said that some
challenge lacked creativity I've been burned like a witch.
(not by all users, some suported me).
Not that I'm saying that that is happening here :)
Mine is doing pretty well, I think.
It is my 2nd. challenge, and I'm doing avg. of 5.2
IMHO that's not bad for an amater witn no equipment at all.
(guess you now have idea wich one is that) :)
Thank you for your comments, and votes, and let
the best conflict wins ;) he,he...
P.S.
Sorry for typo's it is early morning here! :)
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