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 01/14/2008 09:33:07 AM · #26
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by macrothing:
I am confused why Expert Editing is/was not used for Challenges such as Landscape, Time Lapse, etc. That would have sufficed for challenges where HDR, or deliberate styles of multiple images were required or desired.

HDR is not the same as wide-open Expert Editing digitial art/collage imagery and IMO should not be limited to Expert Editing events. I'm glad the Advanced Rules were modified to allow the use of HDR. However, that said, I think the 10 image maximum is a little high...perhaps 3 would be more controlled.


Why do you consider 10 too high?

I was processing some shots over the weekend from summer where I only bracketed 3 shots and I wish I had more...
 01/14/2008 09:40:29 AM · #27
Originally posted by glad2badad:
I think the 10 image maximum is a little high...perhaps 3 would be more controlled.

It may be high for HDR, but it's low for noise reduction (astrophotography, for example).
 01/14/2008 10:02:35 AM · #28
Originally posted by Judi:
Hehehehe...I can just imagine the Site Council behind the scenes....Scalvert...looking like the cat dragged him in....Karmat about to take up drinking...Ursula...sitting in the corner plucking petals off flowers, staring into nothingness.

Yup...me tinks SC had been twisted and pulled in all directions on this one...lmao!!

Note-...this post is said in good faith and humour....but I will still start running right about now...just to be safe...hehehehe!!


hehehe. closer than we would probably like to admit. . . .
 01/14/2008 10:32:08 AM · #29
Originally posted by glad2badad:
I'm glad the Expert Editing ruleset is fading away...


We were told they were working on a new one. I hope you are wrong.
 01/14/2008 10:49:23 AM · #30
I'll add that HDR is not strictly a technique for landscapes. I used it here in the HDR challenge:

and also got a fantastic "HDR snapshot" of our Christmas tree this year with the room lit by the colored lamps on the tree (sorry, no image to show here). Both of these would not have been possible without HDR techniques.

Also multiple exposures have use beyond HDR and gimicks. I regularly use this to smooth my waterfall shots because of it's ability to multiply effective exposure time by 10 (and decreasing noise) without any changes to exposure. (I don't do astrophotography, though).

Allowing multiple exposures and increasing the image size have increased my interest in dpchallenge, and I'm looking forward to entering again when Winter is over.
01/14/2008 10:58:36 AM · #31
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
I'm glad the Expert Editing ruleset is fading away...


We were told they were working on a new one. I hope you are wrong.

You're right.

From the Site Updates and Advanced Editing thread:

Originally posted by langdon:
We weren't completely happy with how Expert panned out, and have spent some time taking the things we do like from Expert and adding them to Advanced. Mainly, combining multiple captures to allow for things like true HDR, noise reduction, and time-lapse photography. We have plans to revise Expert (and likely rename it) at a later date, so until then there won't be any Expert challenges.
 01/14/2008 11:15:16 AM · #32
Ohhhh, I dont do HDR so I guess that wont affect me. Thanks!

Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by Chinabun:
I think it sucks the advanced editing rules have changed to allow multiple images.

It's only multiple images of a single scene (like processing two different exposures of the same RAW capture)... nowhere near Expert editing.
01/14/2008 02:20:51 PM · #33
*bump*
 01/14/2008 03:58:38 PM · #34
Originally posted by Manic:
*bump*
01/14/2008 04:51:33 PM · #35
Nice to have a rule change that no-one is moaning about... :o)
 01/14/2008 04:59:32 PM · #36
Originally posted by Manic:
Nice to have a rule change that no-one is moaning about... :o)


We wore out our moaning mechanisms on the last rule change! ;-)
 01/14/2008 05:33:58 PM · #37
So does this mean that all the ribbon winners from the time lapse challenge would be disqualified if used after these new changes were applied?
 01/14/2008 05:47:15 PM · #38
The last rule set was fun but took way too much time to process the finished product. I'd go bonkers the next time (and mine was pretty simple). I'm sure SC want to keep their hair as well.
 01/14/2008 06:11:33 PM · #39
I think we should have a vote on it.
 01/15/2008 09:18:22 AM · #40
*morning bump*
 01/15/2008 09:20:05 AM · #41
Originally posted by Manic:
*morning bump*


Trying to see if we'll moan if we see it early in the morning?
 01/15/2008 09:35:48 AM · #42
I can't see why HDR is that significantly different to any other form of levels adjustment, apart from when it is applied selectively and for me that forms the difference between Basic and Advanced. Personally my eye is being spoiled by HDR in general because I can't see a photograph with a single exposure point and want to see the underexposed/shadow areas, whereas beforehand it was never a problem.

As for the Time Lapse challenge I know I and a few others who stuck firmly (and safely) to the limits lost out heavily to all those who 'pushed' the interpretation with multiple subjects and selectively removed action frames. I'm absolutely not bitter at all though because it was a trial thing, the SC stated that they'd be lenient, and frankly it was a hellish task for them to set themselves...but I think everyone learned a lot from the whole process, whether DQ'd or not...be it in the actual photography generation, the interpretation, the masking/PP, or the philosophy of what consititures Time Lapse/natural motion. Plus we were ALL forced to think hard outside of the box (i.e nice tough challenge) and got some kickass photos for portfolios :)

I'm loving it here, as if you couldn't tell ;)

N
 01/15/2008 09:39:20 AM · #43
Originally posted by Quasimojo:
I can't see why HDR is that significantly different to any other form of levels adjustment, apart from when it is applied selectively and for me that forms the difference between Basic and Advanced. Personally my eye is being spoiled by HDR in general because I can't see a photograph with a single exposure point and want to see the underexposed/shadow areas, whereas beforehand it was never a problem.



The major difference is now the rules allow for multiple exposures in creating the HDR. That is a significant change from the past at DPC.
 01/15/2008 10:46:17 AM · #44
Originally posted by scarbrd:
The major difference is now the rules allow for multiple exposures in creating the HDR. That is a significant change from the past at DPC.


Is it legal to do any tonemapping in Basic? (even pseudo/fake tone mapping by re-opening the same RAW)
 01/15/2008 10:49:16 AM · #45
Originally posted by Quasimojo:
Is it legal to do any tonemapping in Basic? (even pseudo/fake tone mapping by re-opening the same RAW)

Photomatix is illegal in Basic, and multiple RAW exposures won't work since you can't have any layers with data on it. Shadow/Highlight is still legal, though.
 01/15/2008 11:25:03 AM · #46
Shannon,

with the reworded (newer new) rules would an image similar to my 'From the Darkside' be legal?
I'm still a little confused with the newest revision of the rules.

Thanks

Keith
 01/15/2008 11:29:40 AM · #47
Originally posted by langdon:
Please note that we've made a few tweaks to remove the confusing Time-Lapse allowance from the Advanced Editing rules for now, although they can still be used for the January Free Study since it was announced before this change.


Can they be still used for best of 2007 as well? They were taken before the new new rule

Message edited by author 2008-01-15 11:35:51.
 01/15/2008 12:03:53 PM · #48
Originally posted by Falc:
with the reworded (newer new) rules would an image similar to my 'From the Darkside' be legal?

That's a great question, and I don't know the answer. I'll have to ask for other opinions.
 01/15/2008 12:10:45 PM · #49
Originally posted by HighNooner:
Originally posted by langdon:
Please note that we've made a few tweaks to remove the confusing Time-Lapse allowance from the Advanced Editing rules for now, although they can still be used for the January Free Study since it was announced before this change.


Can they be still used for best of 2007 as well? They were taken before the new new rule

Multiple capture entries were not permitted until the last day of 2007. In the unlikely event that your best photo of 2007 happened to be a time-lapse photo taken on December 31st, I suppose it would be allowed, but it would be a good idea to submit a ticket for opinions.
 01/15/2008 12:15:35 PM · #50
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by HighNooner:
Originally posted by langdon:
Please note that we've made a few tweaks to remove the confusing Time-Lapse allowance from the Advanced Editing rules for now, although they can still be used for the January Free Study since it was announced before this change.


Can they be still used for best of 2007 as well? They were taken before the new new rule

Multiple capture entries were not permitted until the last day of 2007. In the unlikely event that your best photo of 2007 happened to be a time-lapse photo taken on December 31st, I suppose it would be allowed, but it would be a good idea to submit a ticket for opinions.


So your Best of 2007 had to fit the Advanced rules at the time the image was taken?

What about using multiple frames of the same scene for HDRI?
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