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01/08/2008 03:21:42 PM · #51 |
well i think it is a tough choice and I don't think one is really better than the other.
I am a long time PC user, and purchased a powerbook the last year. So I am currently using a desktop PC and a apple laptop. My next desktop computer is still going to be a PC, in other words, I have tried apple and I still go for PC. I can see how other people think otherwise but this is my preferance. I also like to be able to choose the parts I want inside and upgrade the piece I want... for a fraction of the cost apple parts would be. i am still an eager ipod user and do like my laptop.
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01/08/2008 03:23:02 PM · #52 |
Originally posted by scarbrd:
Leopard hasn't crashed on me yet on any of my 3 Macs. I often have 6+ programs, like Photoshop CS2, iPhoto, PhotoMatix (all memory intensive) running at once, and my kid plays webkins world and toontown a lot on the iMac. No stability issues at all. |
this is exactly why i say these threads are useless. I can say that EXACT same thing about the 4 pc's i have running in my house. I have NEVER had a BSOD on any (and the oldest one i built in 02). THE DIFFERENCE IS NOT THE MACHINE, IT'S THE USER
ok, my last 2 cents on this thread |
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01/08/2008 03:34:15 PM · #53 |
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
Sammy Hagar vs. David Lee Roth
Diamond Dave Duh!!!!! |
I don't know, Right Hear, Right Now is pretty good tune! ;-)
And Diamond Dave is a serious burn out case. Hardly recognized him last time he was on Leno. |
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01/08/2008 03:44:23 PM · #54 |
Originally posted by scarbrd:
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
Sammy Hagar vs. David Lee Roth
Diamond Dave Duh!!!!! |
I don't know, Right Hear, Right Now is pretty good tune! ;-)
And Diamond Dave is a serious burn out case. Hardly recognized him last time he was on Leno. |
True he is one burned out rock star but to me it is only VanHalen with Dave at the helm. |
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01/08/2008 04:11:56 PM · #55 |
Originally posted by smardaz:
Originally posted by scarbrd:
Leopard hasn't crashed on me yet on any of my 3 Macs. I often have 6+ programs, like Photoshop CS2, iPhoto, PhotoMatix (all memory intensive) running at once, and my kid plays webkins world and toontown a lot on the iMac. No stability issues at all. |
this is exactly why i say these threads are useless. I can say that EXACT same thing about the 4 pc's i have running in my house. I have NEVER had a BSOD on any (and the oldest one i built in 02). THE DIFFERENCE IS NOT THE MACHINE, IT'S THE USER
ok, my last 2 cents on this thread |
Thank you, someone that finally has the same experience I do with Windows. PEBKAC! (problem exists between keyboard and chair)
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01/08/2008 04:13:38 PM · #56 |
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
True he is one burned out rock star but to me it is only VanHalen with Dave at the helm. |
I agree w/o him. VH is merely "The Other Group Eddie played in"
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01/08/2008 04:24:59 PM · #57 |
Originally posted by scarbrd:
Originally posted by nshapiro:
I think I can give you a fresh perspective. (Mac fans can stop reading here, overall, this isn't going to be positive) |
Neil,
The issues you list are about user experience and I appreciate that. Don't know why you're having problems with iPhoto and that file type.
I use both systems as well. Is OS X perfect? Of course not. There are a couple of new features in Leopard that I don't like.
At least you didn't have to buy any eSATA cables, right? ;-) |
Actually, the Mac Pro hardware is one of the most impressive aspects of my Mac experience. The design of that machine, physically, is pretty incredible.
The issue for me is whether or not to keep using Mac OS. Unfortunately, I just read today that Apple doesn't yet support Vista 64 bit. Vista 32 would have been ok, but I also read that the drivers Apple provides don't provide access to more than 1.9 GB of memory in that case.
Anyone using bootcamp to run Vista? How much memory do you have access to? (I have 5 GB installed, I know I can only "theoretically" get 4 under Vista, and really more like 3.5 due to memory mapping. But that would be ok--<2 GB would not be.
(I'm still trying very hard to make the Mac work for me as is--running it as a Windows only PC is my fallback. I'm giving it a couple more months before I take that step, if I do.)
One other thing I don't understand though. This is a high performance machine, right? I have good high speed SATA disk drives and two distinct processors. Why should iTunes stutter sometimes? (As if it lost out to a bunch of nonmaskable interrupts, or the disk wasn't supplying data fast enough.)
Message edited by author 2008-01-08 16:26:05. |
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01/08/2008 04:54:21 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by scarbrd:
Originally posted by nemesise1977:
Originally posted by scarbrd:
Originally posted by nemesise1977:
Forgot to mention that Even though MAC has less viruses it is not immune from them, or other security flaws, in general the mac populace of programmers tend to be less inclined to create and release harmful programs, It does not mean it cant/ wont happen. And if more people start using Macs and learing to code the more likely it will be to start seeing more virii in the wild for them so it behoovs the mac community to keep there user base small and somewhat ignorant ;) |
I couldn't disagree more with every aspect of that statement. |
Thats because the user base still isnt high enough. also once a "good" virus gets created and enuff wanna be hackers are out there that know how to code for mac youll see 100 variants of the same bug ( there really are not that many orginal viruses on the PC it proll 50% or more are just variants where peole tweaked the code or encryption. Also the less people know about coding the less likely to find someone to create malware as more and younger people lear to code for the OS the more sploits, virii malware ect you will see out there. |
Your assumption that Mac programmers don't know about programming because they are Mac users is insulting to say the least.
Don't you think that with all the hype Apple makes about how much better the security on OS X compared to Windows that some hacker out there worth his salt hasn't tried to hack OS X?
Apple sells millions of Macs every month. How high does the user base need to be? Apple has been flaunting it superior OS and security like it's waving meat in front of a dog.
The ignorance is in believing that Windows is the victim of some over zealous hacker community. Truth is MS routinely issues software full of security holes and lets the users find out the hard way to figure out what they need to patch. Plus, there's a cottage industry in the Windows world whose sole business model is the fact the Windows is insecure. Symantic, McAfee and others probably love the fact that Windows is so easy to attack. It keeps them in business.
So save the condescending tone and statements that Mac users are ignorant.
People who know both systems well overwelming choose Macs. |
Sigh your not reading my ststement then. I said there are not as many programmers on mac and they are less inclined to write malicious code, and as more people switch to mac then more likely for people to code stuff for them.
No MS is not a victim of Hackers and I never said they were, it is simply a numbers game, there are less hackers out there on macs and plenty of macs get hacked, same as unix/linux same as pretty much any system.
Oh and I know both systems, and choose PC and know many many more like me than I do mac users ;) |
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01/08/2008 05:41:42 PM · #59 |
Originally posted by nshapiro:
Originally posted by scarbrd:
Originally posted by nshapiro:
I think I can give you a fresh perspective. (Mac fans can stop reading here, overall, this isn't going to be positive) |
Neil,
The issues you list are about user experience and I appreciate that. Don't know why you're having problems with iPhoto and that file type.
I use both systems as well. Is OS X perfect? Of course not. There are a couple of new features in Leopard that I don't like.
At least you didn't have to buy any eSATA cables, right? ;-) |
Actually, the Mac Pro hardware is one of the most impressive aspects of my Mac experience. The design of that machine, physically, is pretty incredible.
The issue for me is whether or not to keep using Mac OS. Unfortunately, I just read today that Apple doesn't yet support Vista 64 bit. Vista 32 would have been ok, but I also read that the drivers Apple provides don't provide access to more than 1.9 GB of memory in that case.
Anyone using bootcamp to run Vista? How much memory do you have access to? (I have 5 GB installed, I know I can only "theoretically" get 4 under Vista, and really more like 3.5 due to memory mapping. But that would be ok--<2 GB would not be.
(I'm still trying very hard to make the Mac work for me as is--running it as a Windows only PC is my fallback. I'm giving it a couple more months before I take that step, if I do.)
One other thing I don't understand though. This is a high performance machine, right? I have good high speed SATA disk drives and two distinct processors. Why should iTunes stutter sometimes? (As if it lost out to a bunch of nonmaskable interrupts, or the disk wasn't supplying data fast enough.) |
I don't use iTunes to listen to music, i usually just use my iPod.
I get you have a lot of RAM, but any RAM dedicated to Parallels while Parallels is running will not be available to the Mac OS. So if you are running Parallels and a lot of Mac apps at the same time, you might have issues. Just guessing here.
You can check your resource monitor to see if you are maxing it out. I think iTunes can be a memory hog, but like i said I only use it to manage my music and videos. |
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01/08/2008 05:58:58 PM · #60 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
True he is one burned out rock star but to me it is only VanHalen with Dave at the helm. |
I agree w/o him. VH is merely "The Other Group Eddie played in" |
So you're saying that David Lee Roth defined the group Van Halen more than Eddie Van Halen did? Interesting.
To me it was always more about the guitar work than the vocals. |
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01/08/2008 06:06:31 PM · #61 |
Originally posted by scarbrd:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
True he is one burned out rock star but to me it is only VanHalen with Dave at the helm. |
I agree w/o him. VH is merely "The Other Group Eddie played in" |
So you're saying that David Lee Roth defined the group Van Halen more than Eddie Van Halen did? Interesting.
To me it was always more about the guitar work than the vocals. |
No I agree Eddie rules but it can't be Van Halen without Dave heck to me Van Halen will always be Dave, Eddie, Alex and Michael. A great band needs an INSANE front man and Dave was just that. Now don't get me wrong I like the Red Rocker he is kick ass all by himself. |
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01/08/2008 08:39:21 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by nshapiro:
(Oh, another biggy: On the PC, I can rearrange my bookmarks in Firefox, or delete a bookmark on the bookmark menus just by right clicking. Makes daily maintenance of bookmarks easy. Why on the Mac -- even in firefox -- do I have to make a special effort and open the bookmark manager! That's really frustrating to me.)
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Have you tried hitting the apple or ctrl key and your lonely button at the same time? I find on a Mac that's often the equivalent of a right click. |
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01/08/2008 09:18:00 PM · #63 |
Thank you very much for all your comments. I am going to check out my friend’s MacPro and compare it to my PC. Sometimes change and variety are the spice of life.
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01/09/2008 09:22:14 PM · #64 |
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01/09/2008 10:10:40 PM · #65 |
If you're keeping score at home, that's 10 zillion bad PCs, 1 bad Mac.
Hardware is hardware, sometimes something has to be replaced, but stick with your PC and best of luck! ;-)
Message edited by author 2008-01-09 22:10:51. |
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01/09/2008 10:22:21 PM · #66 |
Originally posted by scarbrd:
If you're keeping score at home, that's 10 zillion bad PCs, 1 bad Mac. |
Oh yeah right! Nice try. :-P |
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