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01/01/2008 05:00:18 PM · #251
Since you can use a different exposure between shots (i.e. bracketing) can you also use totally different settings for aperture, white balance, focal length, flash output, etc? I figure changing the focal length wouldn't be legal since it changes the basic scene but the others I assume are legal? If so what would be allowable in terms of integrating a changing DOF?
01/01/2008 05:01:53 PM · #252
Originally posted by sherpet:

I am so confussed and feel at a loss of what i can do now for Advanced editing, as it is way above my knowledge of processing.

Ayiyi... it's the same old Advanced editing we've had for ages. The only changes are that you can enter a larger size now, you can combine multiple exposures of the same scene to control contrast or noise, and you can combine multiple exposures of the same action scene to show an object moving across the frame. That's pretty much it.
01/01/2008 05:04:04 PM · #253
Originally posted by klstover:

We're still allowed to do everything from before - the only changes are *additional* things we can do?

Yes.
01/01/2008 05:06:58 PM · #254
Originally posted by yanko:

Since you can use a different exposure between shots (i.e. bracketing) can you also use totally different settings for aperture, white balance, focal length, flash output, etc? I figure changing the focal length wouldn't be legal since it changes the basic scene but the others I assume are legal?

Sure. Changing the focal length would change the framing (illegal), but many other camera settings would be fine. You could, for example, change the aperture on a macro shot for more depth of field.
01/01/2008 05:09:02 PM · #255
Originally posted by klstover:



(' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_F.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_F.gif', '/') + 1) . ' sherpet, if this is true, you can just do what you've always done and not worry about the new rule additions)


I understand what you are saying and thank you so much.

My concern is that the image processed in the old Advanced format rules, will have to compete against much more advanced processed images, that will swallow the images from the old rules, re the effects added with the new rules.

01/01/2008 05:09:18 PM · #256
I don't think many of you are giving yourselves enough credit. This new ruleset is intended to really let you explore your creative side - to do something new, and different, and fun! And if you don't want to, that's ok, you can still compete in the challenges.

This idea that these new tricks that are now allowed are going to suddenly revolutionize the challenge entries and everything everyone enters using them is going to be so wonderful that there will be no more room for "regular" images is just ridiculous. The proof of this can be found at the end of every challenge history, where people have tried to use selective desat and failed, or edited a once-decent image into oblivion, or where composition/subject matter/concept just fails completely. So what if you can use 10 frames now? That just means for some, their 10-image extravaganza will fail 10-times more spectacularly.

Besides, how cool would it be to beat someone using very basic editing that took you 5 minutes in an Advanced challenge? Just because your shot was so bomb to begin with, it didn't need hours of PP work?
01/01/2008 05:11:09 PM · #257
Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by sherpet:

I am so confussed and feel at a loss of what i can do now for Advanced editing, as it is way above my knowledge of processing.

Ayiyi... it's the same old Advanced editing we've had for ages. The only changes are that you can enter a larger size now, you can combine multiple exposures of the same scene to control contrast or noise, and you can combine multiple exposures of the same action scene to show an object moving across the frame. That's pretty much it.


Thank you for that, and I understand what you are saying.....


01/01/2008 05:11:38 PM · #258
We fear change...

:-))
01/01/2008 05:13:02 PM · #259
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:

We fear change...

:-))


I'm skerd... I demand Minimal Editing!
01/01/2008 05:16:17 PM · #260
Does anyone like the suggestion below, posted by me, in an earlier thread.

I love to know what you all think of the idea.

I really don't think I will be entering the "advanced new rule challenges" anymore, due to competing against much stronger processed images.....

Originally posted by sherpet:

I would LIKE to see a SECOND BASIC CHALLENGE available to enter, alongside the New Advanced rule challenge, on the day there is the Advanced challenges.

Is this possible, PLEASE......

01/01/2008 05:18:43 PM · #261
NO, I don't fear change, but have no one to teach me these new processing ways, and feel my eye site will make it harder to do these things, as I seem to overprocess my inmage the more I play with them.....

Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:

We fear change...

:-))

01/01/2008 05:21:02 PM · #262
I think the fear is unfounded...

Just because we're allowed to do more editing, as you are saying Sherpet, it gives people all the more chance to overedit. Frankly, I think that the new changes are minimal. People have been doing HDR here for ages in software. All this does is allow people to do it better.

Just my $0.02
01/01/2008 05:21:05 PM · #263
Originally posted by sherpet:

I really don't think I will be entering the "advanced new rule challenges" anymore, due to competing against much stronger processed images....

See Laurie's comment a few posts back. Just because someone uses a new technique does not make their image stronger. Many of the winners in "Expert" editing challenges were processed very conservatively, despite free rein to do MUCH more than what the new rules allow in Advanced. We ALREADY have examples of HDR and noise reduction in every Advanced challenge, and time-lapse simply won't work for every topic. So what's the big crisis?
01/01/2008 05:23:12 PM · #264
I completely agree with Shannon... as a matter of act I think that you'll find that entries processed from multiple images will be a scoring *risk* as much as a potential benefit.
01/01/2008 05:24:24 PM · #265
Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by chimericvisions:

The allowance of multiple captures of the same subject would seem to include creation of triptych/segmented-style photos, as long as they're of the same thing?

Originally posted by scalvert:

The rule on frames hasn't changed- "You may... add a border to the outside edge of your entry."
In other words, no split frames.


...but what if there's no border? :P
01/01/2008 05:25:39 PM · #266
Originally posted by L2:

Besides, how cool would it be to beat someone using very basic editing that took you 5 minutes in an Advanced challenge? Just because your shot was so bomb to begin with, it didn't need hours of PP work?


LOL. This happens now. It's called glamour/fashion photography. The PP work just takes place before the shoot and by someone else (i.e. the makeup artist). :P
01/01/2008 05:29:29 PM · #267
Originally posted by sherpet:

NO, I don't fear change, but have no one to teach me these new processing ways, and feel my eye site will make it harder to do these things, as I seem to overprocess my inmage the more I play with them.....

Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:

We fear change...

:-))


I did not mean you specifically. It was a line in a movie I love, I was just being a punk. But with regard to learning how to do the processing, that is why we hang out at DPC to learn new things and I know that all of your questions will be answered.

:-)
01/01/2008 05:32:22 PM · #268
Originally posted by chimericvisions:

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by chimericvisions:

The allowance of multiple captures of the same subject would seem to include creation of triptych/segmented-style photos, as long as they're of the same thing?

Originally posted by scalvert:

The rule on frames hasn't changed- "You may... add a border to the outside edge of your entry."
In other words, no split frames.


...but what if there's no border? :P

It would still be multiple frames/scenes.
01/01/2008 05:39:33 PM · #269
Sorry Shez, kinda misunderstood a bit.
01/01/2008 05:44:32 PM · #270
you have nothing to feel sorry about, and I always appriciate what you have to say.....

Originally posted by klstover:

Sorry Shez, kinda misunderstood a bit.

01/01/2008 05:46:40 PM · #271
Originally posted by scalvert:

Sure. Changing the focal length would change the framing (illegal), but many other camera settings would be fine. You could, for example, change the aperture on a macro shot for more depth of field.


What about changing the focal point? For example, say I am shoot a dragonfly and want to keep everything in focus (from head to tail and the background behind it). Could I change the focal point between shots so that I have one with the background in focus and one with the dragonfly in focus and everything in between?

Message edited by author 2008-01-01 17:49:16.
01/01/2008 05:50:12 PM · #272
Originally posted by yanko:



What about changing the focal point? For example, say I am shoot a dragonfly and want to keep everything in focus (from head to tail and the background behind it). Could I change the focal point between shots so that I have one with the background in focus and one with the dragonfly in focus and everything in between?


Oh yeah - bring on the macro challenge ;-)
01/01/2008 06:02:23 PM · #273
We may not move elements in an image that would change the viewers description of the image. With these time lapse shots would we be able to move the subjects a little bit to even out spacing?

For example, if I have 3 shots of a bug walking along a leaf, can I move the middle bug slightly so that it is evenly spaced between the 1st and 3rd bug?
01/01/2008 06:26:26 PM · #274
Originally posted by L2:

I don't think many of you are giving yourselves enough credit. This new ruleset is intended to really let you explore your creative side - to do something new, and different, and fun! And if you don't want to, that's ok, you can still compete in the challenges.

This idea that these new tricks that are now allowed are going to suddenly revolutionize the challenge entries and everything everyone enters using them is going to be so wonderful that there will be no more room for "regular" images is just ridiculous. The proof of this can be found at the end of every challenge history, where people have tried to use selective desat and failed, or edited a once-decent image into oblivion, or where composition/subject matter/concept just fails completely. So what if you can use 10 frames now? That just means for some, their 10-image extravaganza will fail 10-times more spectacularly.

Besides, how cool would it be to beat someone using very basic editing that took you 5 minutes in an Advanced challenge? Just because your shot was so bomb to begin with, it didn't need hours of PP work?


Amen. I fully expect a number of attempts to use the multiple image rule to fall flat. The idea of doing it will be so tempting that other aspects of the image will fail in ways the will kill it in the voting. Let's give the new rules a chance and as we all see some of the creative ideas that people come up with we will all learn something that will make us better photographers - even when we do not use the "new" techniques.
01/01/2008 06:40:54 PM · #275
Originally posted by Falc:

Originally posted by yanko:



What about changing the focal point? For example, say I am shoot a dragonfly and want to keep everything in focus (from head to tail and the background behind it). Could I change the focal point between shots so that I have one with the background in focus and one with the dragonfly in focus and everything in between?


Oh yeah - bring on the macro challenge ;-)


Yes... this technique was specifically discussed. The technique is also useful in landscape photography, and probably elsewhere as well.
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