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12/19/2007 08:00:52 AM · #1 |
As neighbours to the US, we Canadians are understandably interested in American politics. The current presidential race is shaping up to be very interesting indeed.
If the Democrats are the favourites (and the last poll I saw put them firmly in front) the question that I find most intriguing is this:
Are Americans more likely to elect a black man or a white woman to their highest political office?
This raises further questions.
Is American society ready for either?
Are they so far from allowing either possibility that they'll, by default, just elect another old white Republican?
I'd love to see what DPC'ers think. |
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12/19/2007 08:08:54 AM · #2 |
| IMO, it's not at all a question of black/white, man/woman, so much as it is qualifications and ability. I'm not sure there's a black man or white woman that is right for the job. Not so sure about the other side, either, for that matter. HA! |
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12/19/2007 08:16:51 AM · #3 |
If there is a president who will:
A) drug test people on welfare in order to receive a check (they drug test government workers so we can get paid, so why not them?)
B) give me FULL financial aid loans so I dont have to scrape to go to college just because I make more then 40,000/yr (cause the government dont take into consideration I have a mortgage and have to eat)
C) not tax me as high (because I have no children and get no cuts)
D) lower my medical insurance (because i'm in the 30-40 range now so i'm about to die so rates went up)
E) get rid of illegals who take our jobs (my best friend is about to lose her house because they fired her contractor husband and are paying illegals to do the job for half the cost)
AND! They should also fire the people who work in the immigration department when you call and inform them of the illegals (where they are, who they work for) and they never get back to you or act like they will do anything about it.
F) Get rid of letting "those people" start businesses and then hand the businesses off to their family members without having to pay taxes"
The average joe can have the hardest time starting a business. Makes business people not even want to be born here just so they can come over and reap the benefits of not paying taxes.
.....that's who I will vote for and that's just a little of what I want.
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12/19/2007 08:34:22 AM · #4 |
I have always been prone to be a one issue voter (passion of my youth), I have since evolved and other things have taken priority. I think the issues have changed dramatically from years and elections past. With war and the recent economy dip these things seem to be on the forefront of everyones mind, and well it should be. This is a hugely important decision this time around. There will be lots of crucial decisions made for our country over the next 4 years. I really like alot of the contenders this time around, on both sides of the fence. We have some good candidates who are more than qualified. I just have to sift through the details before making my final decision.
As to your question. I actually like Hilary and I am a staunch conservative. She is so direct and matter of fact. She doesn't cowtow to any swipes against her and she remains cool under fire. However, I doubt I can vote for her due to my strong conservative convictions. I gotta go with my gut on this one. I do think I could vote black or female though, just depended on their stance on issues. |
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12/19/2007 08:43:13 AM · #5 |
Don't matter what puppet they put up there to take the punches the back 5 will still be pulling the strings.
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12/19/2007 09:31:23 AM · #6 |
I'd vote for any person that I thought would do a good job, black white, male, female... I think most of America is the same. There are some sexist and racist people that base their vote on sex and race, but hopefully they are canceled out by the people that vote on issues.
Sadly though, I can't say I like any of the leading contenders. I have "will not vote for that person" issues with all of them.
I'm hoping for a serious third party runner to emerge. If Chinabun ran she'd be my leading contender right now!
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12/19/2007 09:32:20 AM · #7 |
Edit: Sorry, thought this was in Rant. Undoing my comments :-)
Message edited by author 2007-12-19 10:01:03.
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12/19/2007 09:42:14 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by robs:
I duuno, flip a coin really..... It makes very little difference in a lot of way; they are all bought & paid for by various lobby groups - just different ones in some cases. I wish I could just print money when I needed something and both sides have the printing press rolling big time :-/ Ron Paul makes a lot of sense if you ignore he a loonie in a number of areas :-/ |
If that's true, doesn't it indicate that there is something wrong in the whole electoral process?
Maybe electoral reform should be at or near the top of the candidates' campaign priorities?
We have similar issues in Canada; questions of proportional representation; senate appointments, etc. |
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12/19/2007 09:54:58 AM · #9 |
"NIXON, now more than ever."
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12/19/2007 09:59:03 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by Fromac:
We have similar issues in Canada; questions of proportional representation; senate appointments, etc. |
I'm sorry to go off track for a second, but recall that the referundum about electoral reform in the last provincial election here in Ontario (where the Liberals won a healthy majority government) was soundly trounced by the voters. Electoral reform is an issue for splinter parties who have fallen off the right side of the political scale, and who would otherwise never be heard in the public forum - the public recognize and reject that. |
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12/19/2007 10:00:21 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by LoudDog:
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If Chinabun ran she'd be my leading contender right now! |
No kidding on that one. |
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12/19/2007 10:14:40 AM · #12 |
excellent. I'll start my campaign! I am a woman and of mixed racial background sooo.....I'll get all the votes!
Originally posted by awpollard:
Originally posted by LoudDog:
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If Chinabun ran she'd be my leading contender right now! |
No kidding on that one. |
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12/19/2007 10:19:26 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by Chinabun:
excellent. I'll start my campaign! I am a woman and of mixed racial background sooo.....I'll get all the votes! |
Except yer not old enough :-(
R.
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12/19/2007 10:23:02 AM · #14 |
True. All the haters would be pulling up my DPC photos and giving me a bad reputation anyway. Oh well, guess I can become a senator or something in the meantime.
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Chinabun:
excellent. I'll start my campaign! I am a woman and of mixed racial background sooo.....I'll get all the votes! |
Except yer not old enough :-(
R. |
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12/19/2007 11:18:57 AM · #15 |
As long as it ain't Jeb, I'll be fine...
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12/19/2007 11:23:06 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by Fromac:
Are Americans more likely to elect a black man or a white woman to their highest political office? |
I think either is possible. Or even both. Hillary could conceivably pick Obama for her running mate, or vice-versa. I usually follow the money. Hillary is still in the money raised lead. Hillary is highly polarizing and won't be able to run as a centrist like her hubby. That's her second biggest liability behind keeping her foot inserted in her mouth. If her controllers can convince her to wave and kiss babies more, she might have a chance.
Originally posted by Fromac:
This raises further questions.
Is American society ready for either? |
It's been about time for both concepts. It's a shame they have to compete. But Americans can adapt about as quickly as anyone and I suspect after a few months it would be old hat. There would be a lot of firsts in either presidency so it wouldn't get too stale. My biggest hurtle would be hearing Bubba referred to as the "First Gentleman". Cough, cough.
Originally posted by Fromac:
Are they so far from allowing either possibility that they'll, by default, just elect another old white Republican? |
This is a very real possibility. Right now Rudi and Mike Huckabee look strong. We'll see after Iowa and New Hampshire. If there is still a large group of the electorate who fear terrorism and feel the republicans can fight that threat better, we're in for another republican. Recent polls say that the economy seems to be more important now. So who knows?
Originally posted by Fromac:
I'd love to see what DPC'ers think. |
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12/19/2007 11:27:05 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
As long as it ain't Jeb, I'll be fine... |
I take great offense to this statement Doc. Other than being dead, what would be wrong with Jeb Clampett being President????? |
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12/19/2007 11:36:55 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
As long as it ain't Jeb, I'll be fine... |
Yup, four years of a Nikon fan in power would be terrible. |
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12/19/2007 11:38:37 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by fir3bird:
[quote=Fromac]
Are Americans more likely to elect a black man or a white woman to their highest political office? |
My guess would be another republican |
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12/19/2007 11:44:32 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by fir3bird:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
As long as it ain't Jeb, I'll be fine... |
I take great offense to this statement Doc. Other than being dead, what would be wrong with Jeb Clampett being President????? |
LOL. Well, you know who I mean. I can't believe I'd say it, but I've had enough Bush to last a lifetime.
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12/19/2007 11:46:38 AM · #21 |
| Bush has a brother named Neil, too. You never know when he might come out of the closet. Wait, that came out wrong. You know what I mean. |
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12/19/2007 11:48:52 AM · #22 |
| maybe Jenna will be the first woman president some day. |
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12/19/2007 11:50:59 AM · #23 |
Originally posted by fir3bird:
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I think either is possible. Or even both. Hillary could conceivably pick Obama for her running mate, or vice-versa. I usually follow the money. Hillary is still in the money raised lead. Hillary is highly polarizing and won't be able to run as a centrist like her hubby. That's her second biggest liability behind keeping her foot inserted in her mouth. If her controllers can convince her to wave and kiss babies more, she might have a chance.
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If Hillary was vice president Obama should watch his back...lol
Message edited by author 2007-12-19 11:51:42. |
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12/19/2007 11:51:49 AM · #24 |
Our Motto here:
"ABC"
I prefer Obama to Hillary.
I prefer Guilliani to any other republican.
IMO we cant do any worse than what we have. I was a strong Bush supporter in the beginning and he has run this country into the ground. I am neither republican or democrat, I vote according to the issues and which candidate I believe matches my beliefs.
That said, IF Hillary were to get the democratic ticket, I would vote republican no matter who was running. But I have personal knowledge of her and dont trust her. |
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12/19/2007 11:53:43 AM · #25 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by Fromac:
We have similar issues in Canada; questions of proportional representation; senate appointments, etc. |
I'm sorry to go off track for a second, but recall that the referundum about electoral reform in the last provincial election here in Ontario (where the Liberals won a healthy majority government) was soundly trounced by the voters. Electoral reform is an issue for splinter parties who have fallen off the right side of the political scale, and who would otherwise never be heard in the public forum - the public recognize and reject that. |
Louis,
I'll go off track with you briefly.
I'm about as left-leaning as they come, but I'm all for the proportional system tested (and rejected) in the referendum. All the research I did seemed to show it as superior to the present system (though not perfect by far).
If you could point me in the direction of other info/literature/web-sites etc, I'd appreciate it.
Now, back to the debate already in progress... |
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