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12/03/2007 12:21:12 PM · #1 |
What's the difference? The reason I ask is because a buddy of mine (A non-DPCer) were talking about the subject. I said "If it starts with a photo, then I think it's a photograph." And the dead horse started to take a beating. However a non-photographer friend of mine said to me. "Isn't photography a form of art? Isn't photography ART anyways...what's the difference between photography and art...both of them start with the word 'digital', and both end with terms related to each other. So, if there is a difference what is it." And I really couldn't answer the question.
Can someone give me a basic, 1 or 2 sentences on the different. Like: An apple is red and tastes sweet, an orange comes from a different tree and has a different taste. Something THAT simple would be NICE as an explanation.
Message edited by author 2007-12-03 12:21:58.
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12/03/2007 12:25:53 PM · #2 |
| lol and the dead horse crinches at whats coming... haha I would say digtal photgraphy is photography with a digital camera... digital art is a picture, that is edited, manipulated... made into something else. digital photgraphy I would say allows aany editing that could have been done in the dark room, digital art takes it to an endless level... |
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12/03/2007 12:25:57 PM · #3 |
OK...what if make-up, light, etc...with very few editing techniques brought into the photo, make it LOOK like digital art. How do you tell the difference?
Message edited by author 2007-12-03 12:27:29.
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12/03/2007 12:28:24 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by Cboydrun:
lol and the dead horse crinches at whats coming... haha I would say digtal photgraphy is photography with a digital camera... digital art is a picture, that is edited, manipulated... made into something else. digital photgraphy I would say allows aany editing that could have been done in the dark room, digital art takes it to an endless level... |
Can you give me an example of BEFORE and AFTER?
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12/03/2007 12:38:17 PM · #5 |
Digital Art
Digital Photography [thumb]606026[/thumb] |
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12/03/2007 12:40:37 PM · #6 |
I was thinking of more a BEFORE: (Photo) AFTER: (Same photo but now DIGITAL ART)
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12/03/2007 12:42:05 PM · #7 |
| ok ill see if i have originals :D |
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12/03/2007 12:45:22 PM · #8 |
The truth is too often the words are used as follows:
Digital Photography: "That which I feel is within the bounds of photography"
Digital Art: "that which I feel is outside the bounds of photography"
It becomes totally subjective and what one person considers art, another considers photography.
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12/03/2007 12:46:57 PM · #9 |
Hmm i dont have many Originals but this might sort of show the difference.
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12/03/2007 12:49:43 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
The truth is too often the words are used as follows:
Digital Photography: "That which I feel is within the bounds of photography"
Digital Art: "that which I feel is outside the bounds of photography"
It becomes totally subjective and what one person considers art, another considers photography. |
What's the difference between art and photography?
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12/03/2007 12:51:57 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by heavyj:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
The truth is too often the words are used as follows:
Digital Photography: "That which I feel is within the bounds of photography"
Digital Art: "that which I feel is outside the bounds of photography"
It becomes totally subjective and what one person considers art, another considers photography. |
What's the difference between art and photography? |
Photography is Art |
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12/03/2007 12:54:01 PM · #12 |
That's what I'm trying to ask. If art is photography and photography is art...then how do you separate the two? How can a person say "Hmmm, this is photography." and then go to another image and say "No. Not photography, art." When photography IS art. Where is that nice big LINE!?
Message edited by author 2007-12-03 12:54:28.
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12/03/2007 01:13:18 PM · #13 |
That's what I'm saying, there isn't a line. It's a blur and the "line" for each person is at a different point. I'd think most people would feel composite work crosses into digital art, but even there we have excellent examples of composite work done before the digital age in the darkroom. Was that not photography?
The point is you aren't going to get a clear answer because a clear answer doesn't exist.
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12/03/2007 01:17:01 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
That's what I'm saying, there isn't a line. It's a blur and the "line" for each person is at a different point. I'd think most people would feel composite work crosses into digital art, but even there we have excellent examples of composite work done before the digital age in the darkroom. Was that not photography? |
Nope. That would be called photomontagery. :-P My wife still makes them...she calls it scrapbooking. :-D
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12/03/2007 02:34:31 PM · #15 |
Photography is simple, it is a capture of a stolen moment in time of what the eye sees.
When taken to another level using our heads, our hearts, our souls the photograph because a tool and the final image becomes something else. A piece of Digital Art (A Visual Work Created by Digital Means i.e. Computer)
Digital Photography is 'filmless photography' It can be enhanced to a point before it crosses the line. When the real becomes the Unreal it is something else. Yes, a Photograph was still the canvas, however it is difficult to call it a photograph any longer. One of the reasons I call most of them Images anymore and not photographs.
Message edited by author 2007-12-03 14:35:27.
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12/03/2007 02:54:35 PM · #16 |
"Photography is simple, it is a capture of a stolen moment in time of what the eye sees."
Thats not true. In Ansel Adams book, The Negative, he states in the intro that the original scene and his photograph of it would not be even close to the same. His photograph is an interpretation of the scene.
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12/03/2007 04:58:17 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by Jmnuggy:
"Photography is simple, it is a capture of a stolen moment in time of what the eye sees."
Thats not true. In Ansel Adams book, The Negative, he states in the intro that the original scene and his photograph of it would not be even close to the same. His photograph is an interpretation of the scene. |
OHHHHHhHH Let me BOW Down to the power of some old guy with a Camera.... /end sarcasm
Seriously now...
INTERPRETATION, nope doesn't do it for me. Digital Art can be an interpretation, but photography in itself is the capture of time.
If you want to enhance your photography for 'interpretive' reasons, by all means feel free. But it isn't what photography is. The essence of photography is to steal time. Everything else is just gravy.
p.s.
I don't really know Ansel Adams, work, books, or whatever, I don't know anyones anything other then my own. I prefer to have my own original thoughts.
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12/03/2007 05:19:21 PM · #18 |
Didn't they show on that photography programme on BBC4 the other day how photographers were manipultaing negatives decades ago? There was one guy (can't remember which photographer) that drew on the negatives with a pencil, and cut and pasted a different sky in etc.
Photography is art.
Once you draw all over a photograph, it becomes an illustration, but it's still art. |
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12/03/2007 05:26:11 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by littlegett:
Photography is simple, it is a capture of a stolen moment in time of what the eye sees. |
I can assure you I can take a photo of a "moment" with my camera that my eye never saw and show you that image on the LCD screen (i.e. no photoshop). The camera is just as good at distorting reality, and fabricating things that simply never existed just as much as photoshop.
Message edited by author 2007-12-03 17:29:26.
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12/03/2007 05:49:34 PM · #20 |
I agree with  DrAchoo! You simply won't get a clear answer. It is entirely subjective and decided by the individuals own personal opinion. Now I could express how I feel about it, but the way I feel about it isn't necessarily correct. It's only my opinion. |
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12/03/2007 05:58:02 PM · #21 |
My response to this perpetual question anymore is "Who cares??" What possible difference does it make to establish some line between them?? As it relates to this site, we have rules - those are how this site draws the line and again as it relates to DPC, that is all that matters. And as pointed out by Doc and others, there is no clear answer and never really will be.
Does it bother some people if a "Digital Artist" refers to him/herself as a "Photographer"?
I just never get the point of this debate. |
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12/03/2007 06:13:29 PM · #22 |
I am a artist with a camera.
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12/03/2007 06:40:06 PM · #23 |
Might help to look at it from a slightly different angle:
Art is a broad term that would encompass photography, whether digital or not.
Photography is art
Painting is art
Sculpting is art
Dancing is art
The list goes on...
You can't reverse this without a loss in meaning, that is, if you say art is photography, you remove the other forms of expression and invalidate them.
Now, we all define within our own minds and hearts the point at which something in these categories becomes art. This is where I believe that DrAchoo is correct in the subjective nature of art.
A simple shot without determined composition may not be considered art.
A paint by numbers may not be considered art.
A pile of playdoh may not be considered art.
A simple hop and skip may not be considered art.
Now, can we call a digital manipulation of art, art? Of course! :)
Just my opinion. |
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12/03/2007 07:00:47 PM · #24 |
| Just because you used a camera to get it doesn't make it photography. Just because you used post-processing on it does not make it art. |
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12/03/2007 07:14:06 PM · #25 |
digital art
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