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02/11/2004 12:22:17 PM · #26

Yes, and speaking of animal farm, how do we know this sheep is not 'really lamenting' not having a garage, surely we do not know all we could about the workings of animal brains?

Gordon

RIM BlackBerry Curve

Canon EF 85mm f/1.8 USM

02/11/2004 12:23:45 PM · #27

Originally posted by zeuszen:

2. The point of challenges (topics), to me, is the stimulus these provide to those who's creativity is simpler to evoke and manage in a confined field.

That's the value I see in them too. The constraints are often enough of a focus for me to find something more creative to do, than I would have done with carte blanche.

fannyb

Nikon D40X

02/11/2004 12:43:17 PM · #28

Originally posted by Gordon:

That's the value I see in them too. The constraints are often enough of a focus for me to find something more creative to do, than I would have done with carte blanche.

I third that.

I was one of those folks who really liked the photo regardless. I rated it high. I'm not ashamed of it. It made me laugh, it appealed to me. Yes the title helped me "get it" but the title is part of the creative process as far as I'm concerned.

And if that makes me one of "those voters" then so be it.

For the 3rd time, great shot Ellamay.
Fan.

Patents4u

Canon EOS-40D

02/11/2004 12:53:33 PM · #29

Originally posted by zeuszen:

The title was ironic as was her entry. It wasn't just a lazy and thoughtless submission, entirely irrelevant to the challenge, but one which, via its ironic and humorous nature, commented on the challenge (topic and description) itself.

I'll agree as to the title, but that's the point of my discussion not a contrary argument. As to the rest, I don't see how it's ironic per the common meaning of that word. It's different from the challenge, but different does not equal ironic.

Patents4u

Canon EOS-40D

02/11/2004 01:02:01 PM · #30

Originally posted by fannyb:

Originally posted by Gordon:

That's the value I see in them too. The constraints are often enough of a focus for me to find something more creative to do, than I would have done with carte blanche.

I third that.

I was one of those folks who really liked the photo regardless. I rated it high. I'm not ashamed of it. It made me laugh, it appealed to me. Yes the title helped me "get it" but the title is part of the creative process as far as I'm concerned.

And if that makes me one of "those voters" then so be it.

For the 3rd time, great shot Ellamay.
Fan.

I certainly don't disagree with the broad statements re: creative stimulus, vastly different ideas, etc. And I agree that the title is part of the creative process. My comments are directed to instances where the creative title is the only thing that ties a photo to a theme. It's not enough of a connection to receive my unfettered vote. It may be to others - I have no problem with that. If we all thought alike, only one of us would have to think - sounds dangerous to me.

zeuszen

Canon EOS-1Ds Mark II

02/11/2004 04:05:21 PM · #31

Originally posted by Patents4u:

Originally posted by zeuszen:

The title was ironic as was her entry. It wasn't just a lazy and thoughtless submission, entirely irrelevant to the challenge, but one which, via its ironic and humorous nature, commented on the challenge (topic and description) itself.

... As to the rest, I don't see how it's ironic per the common meaning of that word. It's different from the challenge, but different does not equal ironic.

1. One characteristic of irony is that it speaks to the few not the many, which, in turn, doesn't make one right and another wrong. It simply means that some will appreciate what others cannot.

Irony is a term describing a dramatic and literary device frequently used and applied to the arts. There's nothing common about its meaning, only its misuse.

Gordon

RIM BlackBerry Curve

Canon EF 85mm f/1.8 USM

02/11/2004 04:09:22 PM · #32

least the fence wasn't photochopped out...

Message edited by author 2004-02-11 16:10:03.

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

02/11/2004 10:50:07 PM · #33

thanks again for all the thoughts and comments,
mav I loved looking at the stats to those links you posted...very interesting

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

02/14/2004 01:24:42 PM · #34

Got this link in my email .... Thirsty?

02/14/2004 05:34:23 PM · #35

Now that sheep has some freedom : )

MikeO

Fujifilm x100

02/14/2004 06:38:44 PM · #36

I have to agree strongly with Eddy on this. It makes a mockery of the challenges. I dont understand how anyone of you could give this a 10. Lets look at the challenge - Garage Art - now lets look at the photo - a sheep. Yeh it was a funny photo, yes it was technically very good and yes it was amusing.

Right, so your a newcomer to this site and you enter your first challenge, ok you may not finish high but to find that:-
a) your photo is of garage art and
b) a photo of a sheep finishes higher than you

its a joke

Come on - this is a challenge site. Have a laugh and a joke but it should not be at the expense of those that tried hard, followed the rules and then find out that a photo of a sheep beat them.

zeuszen

Canon EOS-1Ds Mark II

Canon PowerShot Pro 90 IS

02/14/2004 07:27:51 PM · #37

Originally posted by chinstrap:

How many entries are art? After all, art is dominantly spelled out in the challenge title, right next to garage.

So, it's a joke. Do you mind, if I laugh? It doesn't forclose any faculties.

coolhar

02/15/2004 01:30:38 AM · #38

I would rather see an entry like this

do well than one like this

Both are fine pictures. But, IMHO, ....

"I don't have a garage" was a stretch in Garage Art where the details said "Using the kind of things you'd typically find in a garage, design and then photograph an interesting composition." At least the photographer tried to tie it to the topic with the title.

"The Astronomical Clock in Prague" was a stretch in Zodiac because the photographer didn't read the details closely enough to understand that they called for a photo representing a particular sign as opposed to the zodiac in general- "Take your best photo representing one of these signs."

MikeO

Fujifilm x100

02/15/2004 05:25:54 AM · #39

Harvey - At least the clock has zodiac signs in the subject!

The sheep a stretch? No matter how long I looked at this photo of the sheep even my very vivid imagination would not stretch that far! Also we are voting on the photo NOT the title.

Zeus - one definition of Photograpy is
''The art or process of producing images of objects on photosensitive surfaces''
Therefore every photo is in effect 'art'.

All I am asking is that people look at the entries with regards to the particular challenge.

Its been suggested elsewhere on this site that entries should just be a photograph withouth any Titles. I believe this to be an excellent idea, afterall a photograph should speak for itself...in this case it does and it does not say 'Garage'!!!

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

02/15/2004 11:40:36 AM · #40

Originally posted by chinstrap:

Its been suggested elsewhere on this site that entries should just be a photograph withouth any Titles. I believe this to be an excellent idea, afterall a photograph should speak for itself...in this case it does and it does not say 'Garage'!!!

I thought it might be a shaggy goat, wishing it "had some Garbage."

If you don't have titles, you don't have typos (even imaginary) either.

I like titles myself, and if this one was powerful enough to influence the voters into seeing an extremely tenuous connection to the challenge, I think we have to live with it. I'm getting a litle worried that every time a photo even slightly out of the "mainstream" ribbons, someone proposes a rules change.

Message edited by author 2004-02-15 11:41:36.

zeuszen

Canon EOS-1Ds Mark II

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6

02/15/2004 11:59:32 AM · #41

Originally posted by chinstrap:

-Of course, it was a 'stretch', a delightfully ironic one at that.
-I don't know about 'we', but I vote on the whole presentation: photo, title, border, everything that's there.
-I don't believe everything I read, but I do believe even the author of the definition you quote doesn't believe it.

darix

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

02/15/2004 01:51:34 PM · #42

-I don't know about 'we', but I vote on the whole presentation: photo, title, border, everything that's there.

And if we look at the average score that you gave to us all, you think that our pictures are worthed around 3,5 on 10.....