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02/11/2004 12:07:20 AM · #1
thanx for the 64 comments i got on my garage sheep, BTW, sheep may not usually live in the garage, but I had friends once who had a goat who lived in their bedroom and slept in their bed, well ok they were a bid odd. Did I mention they lived in the downtown core? lol
I thought you may enjoy this one too.. taken in succession with the other shot as she yawned...' . substr('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/7969/thumb/59289.jpg', strrpos('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/7969/thumb/59289.jpg', '/') + 1) . '
02/11/2004 12:19:22 AM · #2
Yeah, I'd say they were a bit odd. I really liked your sheep shot.
02/11/2004 12:21:24 AM · #3
My cousin and her husband lived for awhile in a camper with a pet goose...they were also very odd. I love both your sheep shots and I will be grateful for the morning belly laugh for some time to come.
02/11/2004 12:22:45 AM · #4
Looks a little like Robert Plant (after an all nighter).
Great witty title on yours and great shot.
02/11/2004 12:29:08 AM · #5
Beautiful shot of an ugly sheep! :-)
He does look like Plant ,LOL!
02/11/2004 12:35:51 AM · #6
CH-CH-CH-iAAAA Sheep :P Hilarious shot.
02/11/2004 04:48:06 AM · #7
Speaking for myself, I think it is a pretty sad reflection on the voters when a shot of a sheep can beat 49 other shots in a challenge that specifically states:

Using the kind of things you'd typically find in a garage

The shots that placed after the sheep may not be great, but at least the majority of them were on-topic and followed the challenge brief. The rules specifically state, in bold no less, while voting, users are asked to keep in highest consideration the topic of the challenge and base their rating accordingly.

The fact that this shot got 69 total votes of 10, 9, 8 or 7 just boggles my mind. The fact that it received so many "doesn't meet the challenge but it is funny so I'm gonna give you a <insert high score here>" comments seems to encourage further "off-topic" entries (and presumably acceptance by at least some faction of voters.)

(No offense to the photographer; it is a fine shot. It just doesn't belong in a "Garage Art" challenge IMHO.)

Message edited by author 2004-02-11 05:00:56.
02/11/2004 04:58:51 AM · #8
Just as the winning shot often has a few ridiculous low votes, so do the 'losing' photos. The last place shot in 'Garage Art' has a ten ... the voters are at least consistently mad.

E
02/11/2004 05:06:09 AM · #9
I just think there is a big difference between the relatively low-number of 1's, 2's, 3's and 4's that you see on the top-placing shots and the 69 high-scoring votes (103 if you count the 6's!) on this shot.
02/11/2004 05:32:57 AM · #10
I'm really starting to like this website less and less because of how the people are so literal about the challenge topics. So what? She didn't have a garage, and she pulled out an original shot, for me it's better than many other wrenches shots, sorry.

I agree it shouldn't have been #1 maybe (for me it _could_ have been, if only just for the fact of being out of the ordinary thinking), but I don't think it should have been last, like you're suggesting. IMHO it would be really bad to shut down all the creativity and initiative here, just because the rules say "things in a garage". Yes topic is important, originality and humor are too, sometimes.

She's happy with the shot, leave it so.

02/11/2004 05:51:02 AM · #11
If you would be a commercial photographer getting an assignment to deliver a picture "using the kind of things you'd typically find in a garage", would you then submit this shot ?

Would your customer be happy ?

That is one of the things I consider in my voting. Topic is a main driver in my voting.
02/11/2004 05:52:19 AM · #12
The point of DPC's weekly challenges isn't to submit the best shot you took in the past 7 days, but to submit the best shot you took this week given the guidelines of the challenge details. The topic is there for a reason, and just because there is a challenge announced every week, it doesn't mean you have to submit a shot every week if you can't take one that "meets the challenge".

You say you like the site "less and less because of how the people are so literal about the challenge topics". Well, the challenge topics are what makes this site what it is. And as I stated in my prior post, the rules even tell you to give the challenge topic the highest consideration when voting. I'm sure some of the entrants who placed after the sheep may have scored better if they felt it was appropriate to submit any shot they took during the week instead of at least trying to take one within the confines of the challenge.

Oh yeah, and what willem said while I was composing this reply.

Message edited by author 2004-02-11 05:55:17.
02/11/2004 07:14:58 AM · #13
Originally posted by EddyG:

Speaking for myself, I think it is a pretty sad reflection on the voters when a shot of a sheep can beat 49 other shots in a challenge that specifically states:

Using the kind of things you'd typically find in a garage


//www.dpchallenge.com/image.php?IMAGE_ID=2449 eight 10s.
//www.dpchallenge.com/image.php?IMAGE_ID=10237 seven 10s

The sheep got a positive comment and not a great score from me. Not everyone knocks off 9 points for being off topic and even those who do have a sense of humor ONCE in awhile or the above two links would not have those voting patterns. Some people like to vote that way to be different. shrug
02/11/2004 08:16:20 AM · #14
I liked the shot. Alot. It was a stretch on the theme-yeah, but I think the title tied it in a bit.

I will normally vote down a photo pretty hard for being off topic, but this one was different, not really sure why. I guess its because it made me laugh and feel good.
02/11/2004 08:29:13 AM · #15
Boy mav, you really searched around in the Way-Back Machine for those entries. =] But at least both of those images placed last.

I wasn't suggesting that everyone should "knock off 9 points" for not meeting the challenge. I just wanted to point out that IMHO, off-topic entries are not what DPC is about and shouldn't be rewarded. If somebody wants to enter a funny joke entry (like the two you pointed out), they should expect (and rightfully) deserve to come in close to last, especially when there are other entries that at least attempted in some way to "meet the challenge".

The sheep shot is a good example of why titles should perhaps be hidden during voting; they can often be used as a "crutch" when in actuality, the title should have nothing to do with "meeting the challenge"...

Message edited by author 2004-02-11 08:32:33.
02/11/2004 09:56:38 AM · #16
Actually I just went to "lowest rated photos" lol Some of the lowest rated photos on the sites have a LOT of 10s and MOST of the lowest rated have at least one 10. :) I know what you meant about that pic, and I'm NOT advocating everyone blow off the brief, but I think if someone does it once in awhile with an AMAZINGLY funny or good picture, it's ok if it gets ok and even good scores. Same reason some people give the winners 1s. To each...

:)

M
02/11/2004 10:53:39 AM · #17
Wow, such controversy while I slept.
To Willem-I think every day 'assignments given' are represented in obscure ways...
Currently where I live the phone company uses all kind of animals to sell internet service, the idea of 'pricelessness'-sells credit cards, and sexy girls sell cars and...well almost everything. ( and due to the millions generated by these I think clients can be happy)
To everyone else worried about it being 'on topic' it was IMO a great shot and did do very poorly, I think i suffered for enough for creating an interesting interpretation, I am sorry eddy it did not do badly enough for you. I want to make people feel something with my photography, and I got a shot that I felt had 'feeling', and wanted to share it, I don't care about 'ratings'. I care about creativity and emotion and sharing something of myself, the topics to me should help to INSPIRE these things for people, help give a focus ...not stiffle them.
02/11/2004 11:01:19 AM · #18

agreed - if its a good photo - and not some cheesy snap shot - give the photog the benefit of the doubt that - they at least felt the photo met the theme in some way. sort of discussed this in another thread yesterday -

the way the photos fall after voting sometimes makes me laugh...
02/11/2004 11:23:14 AM · #19
Originally posted by roy204:

I'm really starting to like this website less and less because of how the people are so literal about the challenge topics. So what? She didn't have a garage, and she pulled out an original shot, for me it's better than many other wrenches shots, sorry.

I agree it shouldn't have been #1 maybe (for me it _could_ have been, if only just for the fact of being out of the ordinary thinking), but I don't think it should have been last, like you're suggesting. IMHO it would be really bad to shut down all the creativity and initiative here, just because the rules say "things in a garage". Yes topic is important, originality and humor are too, sometimes.

She's happy with the shot, leave it so.


I completely agree.
02/11/2004 11:27:16 AM · #20
Originally posted by willem:

If you would be a commercial photographer getting an assignment to deliver a picture "using the kind of things you'd typically find in a garage", would you then submit this shot ?

Would your customer be happy ?

That is one of the things I consider in my voting. Topic is a main driver in my voting.


She's not a commercial photographer, and from what I can see in her portfolio, tends to have and demonstrate interests antipolar to commercial photography.
02/11/2004 11:59:35 AM · #21
Originally posted by EddyG:

Boy mav, you really searched around in the Way-Back Machine for those entries. =] But at least both of those images placed last.

I wasn't suggesting that everyone should "knock off 9 points" for not meeting the challenge. I just wanted to point out that IMHO, off-topic entries are not what DPC is about and shouldn't be rewarded. If somebody wants to enter a funny joke entry (like the two you pointed out), they should expect (and rightfully) deserve to come in close to last, especially when there are other entries that at least attempted in some way to "meet the challenge".

The sheep shot is a good example of why titles should perhaps be hidden during voting; they can often be used as a "crutch" when in actuality, the title should have nothing to do with "meeting the challenge"...


The title was ironic as was her entry. It wasn't just a lazy and thoughtless submission, entirely irrelevant to the challenge, but one which, via its ironic and humorous nature, commented on the challenge (topic and description) itself.

If 69 voters awarded the photo higher than average marks, I credit these with having either the sense or the intuition to appreciate what they recognized and felt to be merits.
02/11/2004 12:03:23 PM · #22
I don't think stifling creativity is the point....the point seems to be that it isn't really creative, or perhaps not the focus of the creativity sought by this site, to simply provide a title that links a completely off topic photo to the challenge theme. Can be done with most any photo in most every challenge. Not very creative IMO, not much stifled if it doesn't occur.

The sheep pic is great. I love it. Initially made me laugh (and it still does each time I look at it), and then I appreciated the quality of the capture, etc. Well done. But the sheep isn't yawning/crying because of anything even remotely connected to garage art. If the theme were horses, the title could have been "I wanna be a horse," could've been titled "I can't see colors" for a theme of colors, etc....would still be a great, funny pic - it just wouldn't be relevant to the challenges. For that, I would've marked it down had I voted (guilty of not doing so) - not a 1 or 2, but not an 8 or 9 that I may have marked it if submitted for a theme related to "farms," "animals," or the like.

What's the point of having challenges with themes if every theme can be anything and everything? Especially true to me when the title is the only connector.
02/11/2004 12:11:12 PM · #23
Originally posted by Patents4u:

What's the point of having challenges with themes if every theme can be anything and everything? Especially true to me when the title is the only connector.


I agree - likewise I should have shot my hamster and entitled it "Swallowed a spanner" However, not her fault, and is a decent enough photograph on it's own.


02/11/2004 12:11:20 PM · #24
Eddy, you've been around here long enough to know that threads about voting styles never make much sense :)

1 - bad 10 - good

(always reminds me of Animal Farm typing that...)

but that's it....
02/11/2004 12:21:25 PM · #25
Originally posted by Patents4u:

I don't think stifling creativity is the point....the point seems to be that it isn't really creative, or perhaps not the focus of the creativity sought by this site, to simply provide a title that links a completely off topic photo to the challenge theme. Can be done with most any photo in most every challenge. Not very creative IMO, not much stifled if it doesn't occur.

The sheep pic is great. I love it. Initially made me laugh (and it still does each time I look at it), and then I appreciated the quality of the capture, etc. Well done. But the sheep isn't yawning/crying because of anything even remotely connected to garage art. If the theme were horses, the title could have been "I wanna be a horse," could've been titled "I can't see colors" for a theme of colors, etc....would still be a great, funny pic - it just wouldn't be relevant to the challenges. For that, I would've marked it down had I voted (guilty of not doing so) - not a 1 or 2, but not an 8 or 9 that I may have marked it if submitted for a theme related to "farms," "animals," or the like.

What's the point of having challenges with themes if every theme can be anything and everything? Especially true to me when the title is the only connector.


1. One characteristic of irony is that it speaks to the few not the many, which, in turn, doesn't make one right and another wrong. It simply means that some will appreciate what others cannot.

2. The point of challenges (topics), to me, is the stimulus these provide to those who's creativity is simpler to evoke and manage in a confined field.
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