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11/14/2007 03:52:09 AM · #1
It is my understanding that bokeh is a technique of out of focus applied to a photo, Background or foreground. The quality of the Bokeh is noted by the bokeh rings visible in the photo.

Just finished voting 100% on the Foreground Bokeh challenge and was disapointed with the lack of quality in the Technique of most entries.

Votes Given:
8--2
7--4
6--12
5--92
4--59

Sorry if you are in the bottom section, this is just My opinion.

Message edited by author 2007-11-14 15:04:32.
11/14/2007 04:13:26 AM · #2
I agree with you it seems that the majority of entries have either the wrong bokeh for the challenge background,instead of foreground or none at all
11/14/2007 06:20:48 AM · #3
Originally posted by hywind:

It is my understanding that bokeh is a technique of out of focus applied to a photo, Background or foreground. The quality of the Bokeh is noted by the bokeh rings visible in the photo.

Just finished voting 100% on the Foreground Bokeh challenge and was disapointed with the lack of quality in the Technique of most entries.

Votes Given:
8--2
7--4
6--12
5--92
4--59

Sorry if you are in the bottom section, this is just My opinion.


My photo is a bad photo in terms of bokeh. I knew it but still entered it. What I do not understand is that photo is at 5.6. I have another photo in duotone, which is wonderful picture yet it is at 5.8. This is plain joke. If that is at 5.8 this photo of mine do not even deserve 4.
11/14/2007 07:13:40 AM · #4
Originally posted by hywind:

It is my understanding that bokeh is a technique of out of focus applied to a photo, Background or foreground. The quality of the Bokeh is noted by the bokeh rings visible in the photo.

Just finished voting 100% on the Foreground Bokeh challenge and was disapointed with the lack of quality in the Technique of most entries.

Votes Given:
8--2
7--4
6--12
5--92
4--59

Sorry if you are in the bottom section, this is just My opinion.


Totally agree...I voted similarly. I think people don't understand bokeh. They seem to confuse out of focus with the gorgeous shapes of bokeh in a lens...Unlike you, I voted many 3, 2 and even some 1's

I did not enter due to time constraints
11/14/2007 07:29:21 AM · #5
Originally posted by hywind:

It is my understanding that bokeh is a technique of out of focus applied to a photo, Background or foreground. The quality of the Bokeh is noted by the bokeh rings visible in the photo.

Just finished voting 100% on the Foreground Bokeh challenge and was disapointed with the lack of quality in the Technique of most entries.

Votes Given:
8--2
7--4
6--12
5--92
4--59

Sorry if you are in the bottom section, this is just My opinion.



perhaps you should study a little more as i understand the little rings aren't exactly necessary to conform to the idea
11/14/2007 07:36:34 AM · #6
Originally posted by hotpasta:

I think people don't understand bokeh. They seem to confuse out of focus with the gorgeous shapes of bokeh in a lens...Unlike you, I voted many 3, 2 and even some 1's

I did not enter due to time constraints


I actually understand bokeh well. You could look my previous entry in bokeh challenge. I did not have any entry that had proper bokeh and this was the reason I was not entring it. Then finally entered because just for the sake of participating.
But you are correct many people really do not understand the meaning of bokeh well.
11/14/2007 07:40:24 AM · #7
I do not know if i am right,but i consider that good bokeh is when the out of focus areas (foreground/background) contribute to enhance the main subject, i have never believed that the quality of the bokeh had something to do with the rings visible in the photo.

11/14/2007 07:57:50 AM · #8
Bokeh (from the Japanese boke Ú¯, "blur") is a photographic term referring to the appearance of out-of-focus areas in an image produced by a camera lens.[1] Different lens bokeh produces different aesthetic qualities in out-of-focus backgrounds, which are often used to reduce distractions and emphasize the primary subject.

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bokeh

Message edited by author 2007-11-14 08:14:59.
11/14/2007 08:13:14 AM · #9
Since it was called out here, I do look forward to reading your comments on the photos where you explain where the technique went right or wrong. I'm sure many of us will learn and benefit from your insights!

(edit to add: that this is not directed to any individual - just a "you" in general kind of thing lol)

Message edited by author 2007-11-14 08:14:31.
11/14/2007 08:16:54 AM · #10
Originally posted by GabrielS:

I do not know if i am right,but i consider that good bokeh is when the out of focus areas (foreground/background) contribute to enhance the main subject, i have never believed that the quality of the bokeh had something to do with the rings visible in the photo.


This is perfect example of bokeh:

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observe how it loses focus when it goes away from the center of focus. So head is in focus while the tail is out of focus. This is bokeh.
11/14/2007 08:35:44 AM · #11
I love Bokeh challenges! :-)
They ALWAYS add so much vitality to the forums. He-he. :-P ' . substr('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/30000-34999/30049/120/447738.gif', strrpos('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/30000-34999/30049/120/447738.gif', '/') + 1) . '
11/14/2007 08:41:33 AM · #12
Originally posted by glad2badad:

I love Bokeh challenges! :-)
They ALWAYS add so much vitality to the forums. He-he. :-P ' . substr('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/30000-34999/30049/120/447738.gif', strrpos('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/30000-34999/30049/120/447738.gif', '/') + 1) . '


amen!
11/14/2007 08:42:11 AM · #13
Originally posted by zxaar:

Originally posted by GabrielS:

I do not know if i am right,but i consider that good bokeh is when the out of focus areas (foreground/background) contribute to enhance the main subject, i have never believed that the quality of the bokeh had something to do with the rings visible in the photo.


This is perfect example of bokeh:

' . substr('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/0-999/736/120/581905.jpg', strrpos('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/0-999/736/120/581905.jpg', '/') + 1) . '

observe how it loses focus when it goes away from the center of focus. So head is in focus while the tail is out of focus. This is bokeh.


No.
11/14/2007 08:48:08 AM · #14
So were are the rings you all speak of in this shot? Just wondering.

Originally posted by zxaar:

Originally posted by GabrielS:

I do not know if i am right,but i consider that good bokeh is when the out of focus areas (foreground/background) contribute to enhance the main subject, i have never believed that the quality of the bokeh had something to do with the rings visible in the photo.


This is perfect example of bokeh:

' . substr('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/0-999/736/120/581905.jpg', strrpos('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/0-999/736/120/581905.jpg', '/') + 1) . '

observe how it loses focus when it goes away from the center of focus. So head is in focus while the tail is out of focus. This is bokeh.
11/14/2007 08:53:00 AM · #15
Originally posted by JawnyRico:

So were are the rings you all speak of in this shot? Just wondering.


It wasn't ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/31.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/31.gif', '/') + 1) . ' zxaar who mentioned rings!
11/14/2007 08:53:02 AM · #16
I think I understand bokeh pretty well (I finished 4th in the last bokeh challenge with
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, but having shot for the foreground bokeh, I realize understanding the concept and actually being able to create a photo using good foreground bokeh is quite different. I shot a lot of "clunkers" for this challenge and I think it was one of the most difficult that I've done here at DPC. My shot is currently scoreing 6.3 which is much higher than I expected because my bokeh is not that great....

I haven't looked at the entries yet, but I have a feeling I will score this one with rose colored glasses just knowing the difficulty in creating good foreground bokeh.

11/14/2007 09:17:15 AM · #17
Although I quoted Zxaar my dear, it wasn't a question directed toward him... I was just wondering if someone could point out were these rings they speak of are, I agree that this is a good example of background bokeh.....
Originally posted by SaraR:

Originally posted by JawnyRico:

So were are the rings you all speak of in this shot? Just wondering.


It wasn't ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/31.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/31.gif', '/') + 1) . ' zxaar who mentioned rings!
11/14/2007 09:25:15 AM · #18
Dear All,

I been reading all the recent forums and I am very much amused.
The organiser has very specfically mention that this competition is about having an out of foucs in the foreground and not about rings.

And Yet many people still insist on their version.
I guess that what makes this site so interesting and everyone's view respected.

But I guess the organiser are quite tired of defending this topic.

With the new school of thought on Bokeh coming from everywhere.
I hope everyone can be open minded about the version of Bokeh.
and judge the photos with many school of thoughts and how good the picture is.
11/14/2007 09:26:28 AM · #19
Originally posted by JawnyRico:

So were are the rings you all speak of in this shot? Just wondering.


It's an example of shallow depth of field with the resulting out of focus areas being pleasing to the eye. Depending on where you read, that's either textbook bokeh or not bokeh at all.

Here's the circles (and more of what I consider bokeh)

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Message edited by author 2007-11-14 09:27:08.
11/14/2007 09:27:57 AM · #20
Originally posted by danielcheong1974:


But I guess the organiser are quite tired of defending this topic.


I'm guessing not since there was a bokeh challenge two months ago...
11/14/2007 09:31:41 AM · #21
Hey you can't use your own shot...lol.... :)

ok totally get what you mean about the circles now, and yeah thats bokeh at its best I would say... thanks router

Originally posted by routerguy666:

Originally posted by JawnyRico:

So were are the rings you all speak of in this shot? Just wondering.


It's an example of shallow depth of field with the resulting out of focus areas being pleasing to the eye. Depending on where you read, that's either textbook bokeh or not bokeh at all.

Here's the circles (and more of what I consider bokeh)

' . substr('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/0-999/736/120/580388.jpg', strrpos('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/0-999/736/120/580388.jpg', '/') + 1) . '
11/14/2007 09:41:29 AM · #22
Not that I am guessing it will matter much, but bokeh does not mean rings in the background/foreground. It is any shape that happens from the out of focus parts of the image. The head in focus and tail out of focus is more of an example of shallow depth of field. The shapes in the background is what I would consider the actual bokeh of the image, although the shift of focus on the head does add to it.

Mirror lenses create very interesting bokeh, rings with holes in them. I will see if I can find an example.

Originally posted by zxaar:

Originally posted by GabrielS:

I do not know if i am right,but i consider that good bokeh is when the out of focus areas (foreground/background) contribute to enhance the main subject, i have never believed that the quality of the bokeh had something to do with the rings visible in the photo.


This is perfect example of bokeh:

' . substr('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/0-999/736/120/581905.jpg', strrpos('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/0-999/736/120/581905.jpg', '/') + 1) . '

observe how it loses focus when it goes away from the center of focus. So head is in focus while the tail is out of focus. This is bokeh.
11/14/2007 09:45:07 AM · #23
Here is one-

[thumb]613180[/thumb]
11/14/2007 10:06:08 AM · #24
Originally posted by danielcheong1974:

I hope everyone can be open minded about the version of Bokeh.
and judge the photos with many school of thoughts and how good the picture is.

You're new here, right?

Open-minded about Bokeh?

I doubt it......8>)

These two are what "They" want here in Bokeh, but by nature of how Bokeh comes to be, I have no idea how it could be done in the foreground.

[thumb]570748[/thumb].....and.....[thumb]557774[/thumb]

These seem to be the two ring types as I understand the DPC definition of Bokeh, and it's definitely a DOF thing, but how you could get that light effect in the foreground and still have a clean subject is beyond me.

I might add that I don't see anything so far that leads me tyo believe that this is possible.

But I have a more open-minded interpretation of what Bokeh is....8>)

I've got a low 5 score now which tells me that it isn't a total loser, but judging from one comment that I got, this literal interpretation of the white circles is gonna be the death knell for an awful lot of entries.

Message edited by author 2007-11-14 10:40:14.
11/14/2007 10:17:52 AM · #25
Bokeh is the rendering of out of focus areas in a picture, usually to enhance it. Thus foreground bokeh is the use and rendering of oof foreground to enhance the picture. In this round there are very few captures actually following this. Moreover, many of them use both. Since the topic is foreground, Ive deducted points when background bokeh was an important element of the picture.

Message edited by author 2007-11-14 10:18:31.
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