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11/09/2007 11:40:32 PM · #76
Originally posted by Beetle:

Originally posted by Judi:

Maybe if you split them into 4 categories as was suggested once before.

- Minimal
- Basic
- Advanced
- Expert


I like this idea, too.

I wouldn't feel so totally overwhelmed, plus we'd get to compare apples to apples, so to speak.


I like this idea too!
11/09/2007 11:42:51 PM · #77
I have just sent a ticket to SC asking for a Poll on this subject...the should tell the site whether this is a system that people would or would not be in favour of once and for all.
11/09/2007 11:45:50 PM · #78
Originally posted by Judi:

I have just sent a ticket to SC asking for a Poll on this subject...the should tell the site whether this is a system that people would or would not be in favour of once and for all.

Good idea.
SC, please make sure to word it very clearly so everybody understands the whole proposal properly.
11/09/2007 11:49:16 PM · #79
Voting started to decline about the same time as we enacted the splitting up of the Open Challenges, so fragmentation has not proven a viable solution to this problem.

While there may be many voters who prefer to vote on challenges with less entries, in the end, it appears that they do not then go over and vote in the other challenges.
11/09/2007 11:55:56 PM · #80
Originally posted by L2:

Voting started to decline about the same time as we enacted the splitting up of the Open Challenges, so fragmentation has not proven a viable solution to this problem.

That was so long ago! DPC has changed in so many ways, that some ancient piece of history probably has little impact on the truth today.

Surely it would be a good idea to find out how the majority of members feel about this, and what better way than a poll?
11/09/2007 11:56:12 PM · #81
Look, this site is for photographers.

Photographers enter the free studies in large numbers.

Conclusion: Free Studies satisfy the CUSTOMERS of this site.

Now sing along with me to the tune of Paul Simon's Kodachrome ...

Mamma don't take my free study
Mamma don't take my free study
mamma don't take my free study away!
11/09/2007 11:57:15 PM · #82
Originally posted by L2:

Voting started to decline about the same time as we enacted the splitting up of the Open Challenges, so fragmentation has not proven a viable solution to this problem.

While there may be many voters who prefer to vote on challenges with less entries, in the end, it appears that they do not then go over and vote in the other challenges.


Many voters = voters.......full stop.

The more chance of getting voters to challenges is a good thing. There are some out there that just don't vote because of the sheer number of entries. So getting them to vote on even one challenge can only be considered a positive.
11/09/2007 11:58:17 PM · #83
Originally posted by L2:

Voting started to decline about the same time as we enacted the splitting up of the Open Challenges, so fragmentation has not proven a viable solution to this problem.

While there may be many voters who prefer to vote on challenges with less entries, in the end, it appears that they do not then go over and vote in the other challenges.

I agree but I also noticed that voting declined dramatically around the same time the "conspiracy theory" happened around the end of last year. Coincidence? Maybe.
11/10/2007 12:01:29 AM · #84
Originally posted by Beetle:

Originally posted by L2:

Voting started to decline about the same time as we enacted the splitting up of the Open Challenges, so fragmentation has not proven a viable solution to this problem.

That was so long ago! DPC has changed in so many ways, that some ancient piece of history probably has little impact on the truth today.

Surely it would be a good idea to find out how the majority of members feel about this, and what better way than a poll?


Except, it's not really ancient history, as the decline has been noticed this week.
11/10/2007 12:01:55 AM · #85
Originally posted by Judi:

Originally posted by L2:

Voting started to decline about the same time as we enacted the splitting up of the Open Challenges, so fragmentation has not proven a viable solution to this problem.

While there may be many voters who prefer to vote on challenges with less entries, in the end, it appears that they do not then go over and vote in the other challenges.


Many voters = voters.......full stop.

The more chance of getting voters to challenges is a good thing. There are some out there that just don't vote because of the sheer number of entries. So getting them to vote on even one challenge can only be considered a positive.

I have taken a look at that Judi. Yes it seems the challenges with a lot of entries don't get as much vote %. I have not done a graph but looking through 2007 and 2006, when a challenge goes above 200 entries the vote % goes down.
11/10/2007 12:02:05 AM · #86
Originally posted by swhiddon:

Originally posted by L2:

Voting started to decline about the same time as we enacted the splitting up of the Open Challenges, so fragmentation has not proven a viable solution to this problem.

While there may be many voters who prefer to vote on challenges with less entries, in the end, it appears that they do not then go over and vote in the other challenges.

I agree but I also noticed that voting declined dramatically around the same time the "conspiracy theory" happened around the end of last year. Coincidence? Maybe.


We checked conspiracy theory; no material effect on voting or entries.

Good thought, though!
11/10/2007 12:03:47 AM · #87
I don't enter the Free Studies as much as I would like to since I do not shoot everyday (or every week), but I like the idea of it being there. I like it the way it is. I also like Judi's idea about splitting it up into sections. But I do not like the idea of getting rid of it.

An idea could be... If you don't vote at least 20% in ANY challenge you enter, not just Free Study, then you get one 0 vote from the website itself, and/or for those who vote 100% in the challenge get an automatic 10 vote from the website. That would encourage people to vote. MIght be a dumb idea.. just thinking outloud.
11/10/2007 12:03:52 AM · #88
Would still be nice to see a poll, but given that every suggestion from the folks who are actually not voting is being met with 'been there done that' then maybe the bottom line is its just not interesting anymore so less people are showing up to the party.
11/10/2007 12:09:59 AM · #89
I still think that it would be a good idea to let the members put forward their opinion through the poll. Then let the 'Admin' of the site decide the final outcome.

Pushing away an idea that seems to be popular amongst members is not a recommended action.
11/10/2007 12:15:34 AM · #90
There are really only three ways to limit the number of entries in a challenge:

a) Put some qualifying criteria in place, thus "taking away" the number of challenges a Member is entitled to enter as compared to others paying the same price.

b) Increase the number of challenges available to enter, but limit the number of challenges each person is allowed to enter. (ie. splitting the Open challenges.) This has not proven to be an adequate solution.

c) Decrease the amount of time available to shoot for a challenge, thus limiting the submission period.

I think instead of looking for ways to limit entries, which will be a continuing problem as the site grows...we should look for ways to make people comfortable with voting on challenges with a large number of entries, no?

11/10/2007 12:20:14 AM · #91
Originally posted by L2:

I think instead of looking for ways to limit entries, which will be a continuing problem as the site grows...we should look for ways to make people comfortable with voting on challenges with a large number of entries, no?


Absolutely.

However, there is one side-benefit of splitting the free studies; more ribbons. I've always thought it was a bit odd that there's the same number of prizes for 500+ entries as there are for 100 entries.

Might be fun to look at another category of awards for certain scoring increments: 6.0 = bronze cup, 7.0 = silver cup, 8.0 = gold cup, whatever. In addition to ribbons... But that's another thread :-)

R.
11/10/2007 12:22:52 AM · #92
I grow bored/weary with Free Studies....I much prefer actual "challenges"....things that force you to jump outside of your comfort zone, try new techniques & subject matters....

Anyone can enter a snapshot... Challenge yourself!!!! Even if you score in the 4-5 range, you're learning! You're growing! Free Studies....Blah!
*My 2 cents*
11/10/2007 12:25:47 AM · #93
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by L2:

I think instead of looking for ways to limit entries, which will be a continuing problem as the site grows...we should look for ways to make people comfortable with voting on challenges with a large number of entries, no?


Absolutely.

However, there is one side-benefit of splitting the free studies; more ribbons. I've always thought it was a bit odd that there's the same number of prizes for 500+ entries as there are for 100 entries.


More than one benefit.

Another benefit mentioned which is very enticing is not watching your basic editing shot get trod under the hooves of the digitally composited dragon blowing fire up the ivory skinned elf's dress woven of shimmering butterflies while the wizard looks on knowingly from the crystal forest in the background.

Apples to apples and all.
11/10/2007 12:28:31 AM · #94
Originally posted by elizadeb:

I grow bored/weary with Free Studies....I much prefer actual "challenges"....things that force you to jump outside of your comfort zone, try new techniques & subject matters....

Anyone can enter a snapshot... Challenge yourself!!!! Even if you score in the 4-5 range, you're learning! You're growing! Free Studies....Blah!
*My 2 cents*


Probably some of the nicest images I have had the good fortune of viewing on this site have come from the "Free Study" group, and as such I truly do not share your "laissez-faire" attitude towards them.

Similarly, while I do agree that actual challenges should generate truly imaginative images... that is sadly NOT the case in a lot of instances.

Personal growth is something that is readily available in both venues.

Ray

11/10/2007 12:29:23 AM · #95
Originally posted by routerguy666:



More than one benefit.

Another benefit mentioned which is very enticing is not watching your basic editing shot get trod under the hooves of the digitally composited dragon blowing fire up the ivory skinned elf's dress woven of shimmering butterflies while the wizard looks on knowingly from the crystal forest in the background.

Apples to apples and all.


Abso-friggin-lutely!!! There is more then one area that will benefit from this. As it is...only full members can enter FS and only full members can vote on FS. So now we are back to square one...and the idea that has come from a 'previous thread initially' has been the only one that seems to have gained support from many members.

Surely that counts for something. Or maybe I am just stupid!
11/10/2007 12:31:05 AM · #96
Originally posted by Judi:

Or maybe I am just stupid!


No, those in favor of this idea are the brightest people on this site and the only sane ones posting. There is no middle ground.
11/10/2007 12:36:24 AM · #97
Thankyou L2 for putting my suggestion into the discussion area. I am writing this here so people are aware that it has gone one step further and hopefully it will happen in the end.

Crossing fingers.
11/10/2007 12:41:25 AM · #98
One way of getting more votes is get more voters. Keep the free study for members to enter, but open the voting to all user....Just an idea.
11/10/2007 12:41:34 AM · #99
Maybe DPC should do something similar to what ebay does with feedback rating in our profile stats page next to the amount of votes cast.
100-249 Votes
250-499 Votes
500-999
1000-1999 votes
etc...

This would reward users for voting.

Message edited by author 2007-11-10 00:42:30.
11/10/2007 12:42:14 AM · #100
I don't think we can make people vote more than already is, but, what we should think about is that how to make voted images lesser than already is; so people already voting hundreds a week would better justify most images (I think that's what I mean here)

So, here is another idea... Free study should stay in voting 3 weeks. Each week last 150 images that are scored low could be dropped totally (or some percentage can be worked out, like 1/3 images dropped out)... and last week voting there will be only about 200 photos left (or only 1/3 left)... people might be more interested in last finalists and vote on them...

Would that be fair? or no?

(I may just become stupider here with that suggestion)
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