No More Free Study Challenges - DPChallenge Forums

11/09/2007 08:00:00 PM · #51

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Voting on 120 entries in a challenge with 120 entries probably feels less like "work" than voting on 100 entries on a challenge with 500 entries ...

Indeed!

Sam94720

11/09/2007 08:21:39 PM · #52

I think people are just overwhelmed by the number of entries in free studies and then give up at some point during voting.

The solution? Don't just submit anything for a free study just because you can. Only submit if you think you have a picture that might do well. I mean, it's supposed to be a challenge, right? This would mean less pictures in the free study and thus more votes and comments for each image. And voting would be more interesting with a higher average quality of the entries.

And something else: If you enter a challenge and expect to get votes and comments, do the same for others. Vote on all the pictures in the challenges you enter. Why should others take the time to vote and comment if you're not willing to do it?

11/09/2007 08:26:40 PM · #53

Oooooooooor we could use brain machine to "think" the vote, and "wish" to go to the next photo.

Message edited by author 2007-11-09 20:27:53.

11/09/2007 08:26:49 PM · #54

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Ken

Canon EOS-7D

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8

11/09/2007 08:33:16 PM · #55

I would like to see a trial two week voting period for a FS. I bet the number of votes goes way up.

lunachicken

Nikon D90

11/09/2007 08:33:38 PM · #56

Originally posted by swhiddon:

Didn't vote at least 20% in the last Free study, Can't enter the next one.

I think that would encourage mindless voting. Clicking through quickly to get your % in.

violinist123

Canon EOS-6D

11/09/2007 08:34:12 PM · #57

Originally posted by mad_brewer:

I would like to see a trial two week voting period for a FS. I bet the number of votes goes way up.

I think you'd take some of those who don't vote and add them to those who don't enter. Two weeks is simply too long to deal with the update button without getting that rollover rush.

Ken

Canon EOS-7D

Nikon AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR II

11/09/2007 08:44:48 PM · #58

Originally posted by routerguy666:

Originally posted by mad_brewer:
I would like to see a trial two week voting period for a FS. I bet the number of votes goes way up.

I think you'd take some of those who don't vote and add them to those who don't enter. Two weeks is simply too long to deal with the update button without getting that rollover rush.

You might be right, but if we tried it we would know for sure.

Edit: there really isn't a rollover after a FS unless it's coincidence. I think the update button gets most of it's action during the first day or so.

Message edited by author 2007-11-09 20:45:56.

Nikon D200

11/09/2007 08:50:55 PM · #59

Originally posted by mad_brewer:

...You might be right, but if we tried it we would know for sure.

...

We did try it long ago, and there was not a material difference in the number of votes cast.

Additionally, there was much bemoaning and bewailing in the forums with people anxious to know their placement. :)

Gordon

RIM BlackBerry Curve

Canon EF 85mm f/1.8 USM

11/09/2007 09:16:15 PM · #60

Originally posted by Sam94720:

The solution? Don't just submit anything for a free study just because you can. Only submit if you think you have a picture that might do well. I mean, it's supposed to be a challenge, right? This would mean less pictures in the free study and thus more votes and comments for each image. And voting would be more interesting with a higher average quality of the entries.

Ok. You go first ?

See why that doesn't work ? :)

Canon EF 28-135mm F/3.5-5.6 IS USM

11/09/2007 09:19:55 PM · #61

Charge $10 per study challeneg :P
Charge $20 penalty if you enter and don't vote %20
Pay $50 to winners

downtherabbithole

Canon EOS-30D

11/09/2007 09:23:43 PM · #62

Originally posted by Judi:

Maybe if you split them into 4 categories as was suggested once before.

- Minimal
- Basic
- Advanced
- Expert

This would not only lower the entries (especially if they were staggered one a week) but more interest and happy campers would come of it as you could only enter one category per month. This in turn would dwell more views per entry and possibly more votes.

I'm in love with this idea!

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

11/09/2007 09:29:39 PM · #63

.. never mind, didn't read the whole thing :P

Message edited by author 2007-11-09 21:31:16.

elemess

Canon EOS-20D

11/09/2007 09:40:01 PM · #64

I'd vote against running four FS challenges at the same time. The front page would be a mess with seven (count 'em: seven!) challenges' worth of voting then results.

Staggering for rulesets might work, but I'd still like a full month for the shot. Otherwise, it's just a fourth challenge every week to go with the two basic and one member challenges.

But if a change is made, I'd prefer to see quarterly Free Studies, maybe even with a three-month window to take the shot being entered.

Sigma 70-200mm f/2.8 APO DG Macro HSM for Nikon

11/09/2007 09:47:25 PM · #65

Member numbers end with even number enter one month, and odd numbers next month... I remember this being done to car plates to avoid traffic congestion.

meow

Nikon D7100

11/09/2007 09:49:24 PM · #66

Originally posted by bennettjamie:

I agree with this idea. By doing this, you are eliminating over entry of a challenge. When people go to vote and see that 500+ have entered, a lot of the times they feel overwhelmed and decide not to vote, because they have to meet 20% which can be very time consuming for 500+ entries.

Originally posted by Judi:
Maybe if you split them into 4 categories as was suggested once before.

- Minimal
- Basic
- Advanced
- Expert

This would not only lower the entries (especially if they were staggered one a week) but more interest and happy campers would come of it as you could only enter one category per month. This in turn would dwell more views per entry and possibly more votes.

The being overwhelmed part is exactilly why I don't vote.

NikonJeb

Nikon D850

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 28-300mm f3.5-5.6G ED VR

11/09/2007 10:24:52 PM · #67

I like the Free studies just the way they are.

And I have yet to break 6.0 on one.

It's the biggest challenge on the site for me 'cause it needs better stuff.

I aspire to do well in a Free Study more than anything.

I have done well in a couple that had a slant I was geared for, but there is *NO* edge to a Free Study; you run what you brung and may the best man (Or woman) win.

BTW, relative to the Popcorn question about its difiiculty and time consumption?

I had ZERO interest so that one would have been like a dose of salts for me.

But I thought Halloween was a howl.......pun intended!

Judi

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4L USM

11/09/2007 11:09:38 PM · #68

Originally posted by elemess:

No one suggested running them all at the same time...instead running one per week...which equals one free study per month per member....it is there choice which editing challenge they choose...but they aren't run at the same time...therefore there aren't 7 finished challenged results on the front page at any one time.

Beetle

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

11/09/2007 11:16:42 PM · #69

Originally posted by Judi:

Maybe if you split them into 4 categories as was suggested once before.

- Minimal
- Basic
- Advanced
- Expert

I like this idea, too.

I wouldn't feel so totally overwhelmed, plus we'd get to compare apples to apples, so to speak.

Cam

Sony DSC-F717

11/09/2007 11:24:07 PM · #70

Originally posted by Beetle:

Originally posted by Judi:
Maybe if you split them into 4 categories as was suggested once before.

- Minimal
- Basic
- Advanced
- Expert

I like this idea, too.

I wouldn't feel so totally overwhelmed, plus we'd get to compare apples to apples, so to speak.

Sorry, that does not solve anything. It just splits up the sparse votes.

I say kill it and bring it back on occasion...like maybe once a year.

Beetle

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

11/09/2007 11:34:01 PM · #71

Originally posted by Cam:

Sorry, that does not solve anything. It just splits up the sparse votes.

I disagree.

I look at 500+ submissions, and simply can not bring myself to vote on all that (don't bother telling me about the 20% rule, I am aware of it, but it doesn't change the way I feel about huge challenges).

However, if I had 4 smaller challenges, one per week, I would vote on at least some of them (better than none, right?), if not all.
I would find that much easier to cope with (and I'd prefer the apple/apple thing, too), and I bet plenty of other people feel the same way.

Ergo - the number of votes increases.

11/09/2007 11:34:12 PM · #72

I think we should keep voting more than a week for free study. maybe 2 weeks or 3...

violinist123

Canon EOS-6D

11/09/2007 11:34:26 PM · #73

Originally posted by Cam:

Sorry, that does not solve anything. It just splits up the sparse votes.

Many people have posted again and again and again that they would be more prone to vote and it would be more enjoyable to do so if there were less entries per challenge. To hear such an idea dismissed as 'not solving anything' when it solves the exact issue that people are clearly stating keeps them from voting is as irritating as seeing people post 'I wonder what we can do to make voting more fun and less tedious'.

Beetle

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

11/09/2007 11:37:18 PM · #74

Originally posted by Cam:

I say kill it and bring it back on occasion...like maybe once a year.

Judging by the number of submissions, Free Studies are so popular that "killing" them does not sound like a good idea to me.

RayEthier