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 11/09/2007 04:11:18 PM · #26
I think the 20% rule lowers the totals on some of these chalenges with a lot of entries, most of the time I vote 100% on the challenges with less entries but 20% can be hard on free studies. As far as getting rid of them I say why, the number of votes do not matter to me, I just like to be able to enter free studies and enjoy seeing others entries.

I also find it interesting to see people with low vote totals talk about voting habits!
 11/09/2007 04:14:27 PM · #27
Charge $5.00 to enter a free study. (Gotta love the irony).

Give people a one month credit for voting on 100% of the entries.

11/09/2007 04:18:35 PM · #28
Originally posted by PapaBob:
I think the 20% rule lowers the totals on some of these chalenges with a lot of entries, most of the time I vote 100% on the challenges with less entries but 20% can be hard on free studies. ...


I really don' get this argument. Looking at recent challenges I see lots with around 200 entries. 20% of 500 is only 100 votes. So is it the feeling that 20% is too much or is there something else going on with voters who share this feeling?

As for doing away with Free Studies I would not object. I don't enter them. I don't vote on them. I don't look at the results very often and never in detail. But if they stay I think some modification, such as the one Judi suggested, would be much better. I also think 1 week is too short for voting on month-long challenges as they are now.
 11/09/2007 04:24:29 PM · #29
I would be willing to bet that doubling the voting time on a large free study from one week to two weeks would not double the number of votes cast on any given entry.
 11/09/2007 04:27:46 PM · #30
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
I would be willing to bet that doubling the voting time on a large free study from one week to two weeks would not double the number of votes cast on any given entry.


I agree. It would, however, increase the chance that any given individual would vote thereby increasing the number of different voters.
 11/09/2007 04:34:42 PM · #31
Originally posted by KaDi:
Originally posted by PapaBob:
I think the 20% rule lowers the totals on some of these chalenges with a lot of entries, most of the time I vote 100% on the challenges with less entries but 20% can be hard on free studies. ...


I really don' get this argument. Looking at recent challenges I see lots with around 200 entries. 20% of 500 is only 100 votes. So is it the feeling that 20% is too much or is there something else going on with voters who share this feeling?

As for doing away with Free Studies I would not object. I don't enter them. I don't vote on them. I don't look at the results very often and never in detail. But if they stay I think some modification, such as the one Judi suggested, would be much better. I also think 1 week is too short for voting on month-long challenges as they are now.


I agree here in that it would not matter to me if free study went away. I don't enter them nor do I vote on them.
 11/09/2007 04:40:06 PM · #32
Originally posted by Judi:
Maybe if you split them into 4 categories as was suggested once before.

- Minimal
- Basic
- Advanced
- Expert

This would not only lower the entries (especially if they were staggered one a week) but more interest and happy campers would come of it as you could only enter one category per month. This in turn would dwell more views per entry and possibly more votes.


I like this...even just Basic and Advanced would work to split it...
I have no problems with 4 categories either...
 11/09/2007 04:46:11 PM · #33
Originally posted by Nobody:
Charge $5.00 to enter a free study. (Gotta love the irony).

Give people a one month credit for voting on 100% of the entries.

Now that's an interesting idea! And since you're taking in money, offer 1 month of membership to the 3 winners. Up the ante, up the image quality, up the votes, up the interest! =)

BTW: As for splitting it up, who the crap cares about basic? =D Make it three!

Message edited by author 2007-11-09 16:47:01.
 11/09/2007 04:57:18 PM · #34 

		Entries		Avg Votes		%

1/1/2007		557		152		27.29%

2/1/2007		616		173		28.08%

3/1/2007		558		155		27.78%

4/1/2007		572		174		30.42%

5/1/2007		612		166		27.12%

6/1/2007		556		120		21.58%

7/1/2007		646		132		20.43%

8/1/2007		500		148		29.60%

9/1/2007		501		121		24.15%

10/1/2007		520		118		22.69%

11/1/2007						#DIV/0!

12/1/2007						#DIV/0!







2006 Free Studies		Entries		Votes		%

Free Study X		619		189		30.53%

Free Study XII		678		250		36.87%

Free Study XIII		612		186		30.39%

Free Study XIV		618		187		30.26%

Free Study XV		501		153		30.54%

Free Study XVI		486		178		36.63%


Message edited by author 2007-11-09 17:11:10.
 11/09/2007 05:04:25 PM · #35
I know.
How about a monthly challenge that members can enter their best, or most meaningful picture of the month, and not worry about votes/scores?

It could be called a Free Study.
 11/09/2007 05:05:36 PM · #36
Originally posted by Brad:
I know.
How about a monthly challenge that members can enter their best, or most meaningful picture of the month, and not worry about votes/scores?

It could be called a Free Study.


What a great idea!! Why hasn't anyone else thought of that??
 11/09/2007 05:12:08 PM · #37
Originally posted by Brad:
I know.
How about a monthly challenge that members can enter their best, or most meaningful picture of the month

Hey, now that's a great idea!

Originally posted by Brad:
and not worry about votes/scores?

Woah, woah, woah. Now you're just dreaming. =)
 11/09/2007 05:14:41 PM · #38
I guess I don't really understand the motivation to vote on a free study anyway.

There isn't even a topic to DNMC people on.
 11/09/2007 06:33:10 PM · #39
Originally posted by KaDi:
Originally posted by PapaBob:
I think the 20% rule lowers the totals on some of these chalenges with a lot of entries, most of the time I vote 100% on the challenges with less entries but 20% can be hard on free studies. ...


I really don' get this argument. Looking at recent challenges I see lots with around 200 entries. 20% of 500 is only 100 votes. So is it the feeling that 20% is too much or is there something else going on with voters who share this feeling?



It takes five times as many voters voting at 20% is all I am saying.

Message edited by author 2007-11-09 18:34:21.
 11/09/2007 06:43:14 PM · #40
I don't want to see the free studies go away. Sometimes, that's the only thing some people can enter because the challenges can be so difficult. Look at these for example.

Member Challenge: Scene It! II
Submissions: 82

Exclusive Open Challenge: Popcorn
Submissions: 74

I thought this site is supposed to be about fun and not making the challenges so difficult that only the people with a lot of time on their hands can participate.

11/09/2007 06:45:03 PM · #41
Originally posted by bmartuch:

Exclusive Open Challenge: Popcorn
Submissions: 74

I thought this site is supposed to be about fun and not making the challenges so difficult that only the people with a lot of time on their hands can participate.


What's difficult or time consuming about 'popcorn' ?
 11/09/2007 06:48:43 PM · #42
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by bmartuch:

Exclusive Open Challenge: Popcorn
Submissions: 74

I thought this site is supposed to be about fun and not making the challenges so difficult that only the people with a lot of time on their hands can participate.


What's difficult or time consuming about 'popcorn' ?


Then why isn't there 500 submissions?
 11/09/2007 06:49:32 PM · #43
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
I suggest that the free study challenges be abandoned. It's very obvious that the voters are not interested in them when you examine the number of votes that are cast.


The voters may not be that hot about voting on it but the photographers sure are hot to submit. We haven't had a free study with fewer than 500 entries in, oh, long time, long time. Lets keep the free studies. Who's this site for, anyway, voters or photographers?

I like the occasional challenge where your best photo takes its best shot.
 11/09/2007 06:52:09 PM · #44
Originally posted by swhiddon:
Didn't vote at least 20% in the last Free study, Can't enter the next one.


I like this one a lot. And further make an option to vote one 10 percent and comment on 10 percent.
 11/09/2007 07:00:28 PM · #45
Originally posted by Judi:
Maybe if you split them into 4 categories as was suggested once before.

- Minimal
- Basic
- Advanced
- Expert

This would not only lower the entries (especially if they were staggered one a week) but more interest and happy campers would come of it as you could only enter one category per month. This in turn would dwell more views per entry and possibly more votes.


I have to say I LOVE this idea as it creates a positive solution to the 'problem' The difficulty with trying to put parameters on people having to cast x% of votes (as has also been suggested) is that it would be easy to go through 100 pics (20% of 500) either just hitting 5 or a series of random numbers in order that you would 'qualify' for an entry in the next FS. If judi's solution was used then I know that

a - I would be more than likely to enter the mininal challenge in a month
b - I would undoubtedly vote on more pictures throughout the challenges because not only would the number of entries be less daunting but also it would be easier to compare on a like for like basis

11/09/2007 07:06:56 PM · #46
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
I suggest that the free study challenges be abandoned.


Wouldn't this be kind of self limiting Jim? The last 12 months you've entered about 7 challenges and 5 of them are free studies. ;)
I'm all for increasing the number of challenges. Although I don't enter many I probably would enter more if the FS was broken up into 4 styles of editing. But who knows, maybe it would help to concentrate votes to eliminate the FS. Wonder what the owners think about this. Like they say in the military, this ain't a democracy.

11/09/2007 07:14:49 PM · #47
^^ it's john ;} ^^

maybe if this conversation keeps going on and on there will be less entries in the curent free study, and more people might - perhaps - vote due the fact that there are less entries... or around the other way if you'd prefer.

Message edited by author 2007-11-09 19:15:08.
 11/09/2007 07:16:38 PM · #48
It seems voting was particularly low on this one due to the fact there was 6 challenges running at the same time. The halloween challenge which is a one off challenge which ran at the same time voting wise had on average ~200 votes per entry. quite a few of these voters may have spent more time on the FS.

If you look at any challenge with the exception of those with less than a 100 entries, which I think is a psychological thing where more people will vote because it doesn't seem to large. All challenges get around 120-200 votes, regardless of the size of entries(it may have been differnt in the past). There may be 86,000 people on this site but probably only 250 vote on a regular basis. I don't see how getting rid of the FS would change much.

I think what Judi suggests would not really get any entry more votes, it would just appear that those entering would be voting on them because there are less entries. It would still be the same 250 random people voting.

Just my two cents.
 11/09/2007 07:24:35 PM · #49
Allow more time for voting in the Free Studies. With so many entries it's not surprising that each picture receives fewer votes than in the other challenges. I expect the total number of votes cast is similar in the free studies as for the others - they are just spread more thinly.

Since the entry period is a month perhaps a month should be allowed for voting. That would give people time to give a more considered opinion and even to comment on more.

Having more votes for each picture would also give a truer indication of which pictures are best. With fewer votes it's more likely that there could be voting anomalies. In some of the challenges I've entered the average vote has been much higher or lower at the start of the voting than the end. With few votes being counted there is a danger that a picture will end up higher or lower than it deserves.
 11/09/2007 07:37:23 PM · #50
I think we analyzed the voting patterns a long time ago and decided that 100-120 votes were enough to produce a statistically-meaningful score/ranking. We've had extended voting in the past, and I don't think the second week added more than 10-15% more votes.

I rather like the idea of "exclusive" Free Studies separated by rule-set, where you can only enter one of them each month. I think plenty of people would choose each set.

I think a significant factor in people feeling more comfortable in voting in smaller challenges is that, although voting on as few as 20% of the entries is allowed, some people just don't like the idea of seeing the ribbon-winners for the first time on the front page -- they'd rather try and see/vote on all the photos, and not some random sampling.

Voting on 120 entries in a challenge with 120 entries probably feels less like "work" than voting on 100 entries on a challenge with 500 entries ...
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