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Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

11/03/2007 05:14:51 PM · #1

Oh well.

As many of you know of the story behind what happened to Nick Yup it was me and our partnership thing covering some of the San Diego on Fire....again! :( events, a chain of events that I never saw coming, happened.

As Nick was going out of his way to get images to the Strike Team that saved his life and to some of the other Fire Fighters involved, I let Nick have a copy of everything I shot in case there was something I captured that he didn't. In the process of copying the pics, the card was wiped I think and when it was realized, we sent them back to the card. Until now, had no idea that Windows stepped on them in the process, and now with modified EXIF, can no longer be considered originals. The cards have been written over and the "true" originals are gone forever.

Scratch one Photojournalism entry and one Free Study entry.
SC, you can boot them, as I have no other files to send other than what I have already.

The pics have been very well received and thank everyone here for their comments and favs. I'd far rather have captured them and impacted many lives, than never to have been able to and had no DQ's as a result of an oversight. I'll gladly trade 10 DQ's for what they have done for others.
So I won't be able to enter challenges for a while, but will keep on shooting!

Oh well, such is life.
*sigh*

Simms

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

11/03/2007 05:17:45 PM · #2

OK, well hang on there... DO you think you have a chance of ribboning with your freestudy? if the answer is no, then maybe if you dont say anything, you will not be asked to provide a original, and thus only 1 DQ will apply.

I am sure SC will not ask for the original unless you ribbon or HM. Take the chance, dont go for the self-DQ..

If they did ask to see the origial freestudy entry after reading this then that would be a bit vindictive.

Originally posted by Brad:

Message edited by author 2007-11-03 17:18:30.

timfythetoo

Apple iPhone 13 Pro

11/03/2007 05:22:13 PM · #3

I would also guess that suspension may not be a result. I dont think its mandatory suspension but that it gets voted on as well. Seeing that you didn't do anythign on purpose I would guess they would give you a pass on the long term punishment.

jaxter

Tamron AF 75-300mm f/4.0-5.6 LD for Canon

11/03/2007 05:24:29 PM · #4

Wow Brad that really sucks. Good on you for having the courage to speak up about it. I agree with Simms that it would be shady of SC to DQ your Free Study entry when it's not unreasonable to allow you to remove it at this point. What say you SC?

11/03/2007 05:27:26 PM · #5

The originals were transferred to Nick's Mac laptop first, which has since died a hard death. There is a slight chance his tech can get them off the drive, but the if and the when are huge unknowns. Nick just stopped by to drop off a lens to me and says if it's possible and they can be rescued, he will get a copy to me and maybe they can be sent in then, but there are a lot of ifs here and who knows when as well.

Message edited by author 2007-11-03 17:29:39.

11/03/2007 05:33:27 PM · #6

Originally posted by Simms:

If they did ask to see the origial freestudy entry after reading this then that would be a bit vindictive.

Here is a copy of my response to Terry:

Brad,

You should have received an email explaining this, but it appears we re-requested proof due to the original you sent in has EXIF data indicating it was modified by Windows Photo Gallery. We just need you to resubmit the untouched original.

Thanks,
~Terry

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Hi Terry,

No, I didn't get that email for whatever reason.
May as well disqualify it and my free study.
I gave Nick (jtf6agent) a copy of all my files of the
fire pics that day in case he could use any for the
fire dept strike teams, and I think he copied them
to his computer through the windows viewer, and
in the process, wiped the card. He transferred them
back after he realized what happened. The card had
a couple of new files on it, such as a .bin and trash folder.

I have only the files that I sent to validate my submission.
My current Free Sturdy pic is the same.

I know all about the warnings and read all the things of
what has happened to others, but never even gave
it a second thought that the same could happen to me.
Well it wouldn't have if I had transferred a copy off
my CF card to his computer. He did an oops.
I get a bigger oops.

Oh well.

Brad

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There is no vindictive in the SC's actions, now or future.
I won't have one disqualified without the other.

Message edited by author 2007-11-03 17:51:12.

jaxter

Tamron AF 75-300mm f/4.0-5.6 LD for Canon

11/03/2007 05:44:52 PM · #7

Originally posted by Brad:

There is no vindictive in the SC's actions, now or future.
I won't have one disqualified without the other.

You're a good man Charlie Brown and don't let anybody tell you different.

neophyte

Nikon D810

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

11/03/2007 05:59:43 PM · #8

I'm sorry for the misfortune Brad, I've always been a great admirer of your work. Perhaps the SC can wait and see how Steve's attempts to reacquire the data pan out. However they rule, the image from photojournalism is an outstanding photo and will retain its importance to those who had to live through this tragedy. Good luck.

ClubJuggle

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

11/03/2007 06:35:31 PM · #9

Brad,

If there's chance of recovering the original from Nick's computer, we don't have to rush the DQ. You're entitled to 48 hours to produce the original in any case, and if there's a chance of recovering the file from the failed Mac, we may be able to allow extra time (within reason). It would take a Site Council discussion, but it's been done before under similar circumstances.

~Terry

Simms

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

11/03/2007 06:36:04 PM · #10

Originally posted by ClubJuggle:

good call.

kawesttex

Apple iPhone 11 Pro

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4L USM

11/03/2007 06:39:30 PM · #11

Can '48' hours be extended for extenuating circumstances? They have been explained in advance with the problem, so give some leeway.

ursula

Fujifilm X-T2

Fujifilm XF 55-200mm f/3.5-4.8 R LM OIS

11/03/2007 06:43:21 PM · #12

Originally posted by kawesttex:

Can '48' hours be extended for extenuating circumstances? They have been explained in advance with the problem, so give some leeway.

Yes, it can, and we often do extend it when it is needed. The Free Study won't be over for a few more days, there's plenty of time to maybe find the originals.

kawesttex

Apple iPhone 11 Pro

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4L USM

11/03/2007 06:49:10 PM · #13

Originally posted by ursula:

Originally posted by kawesttex:
Can '48' hours be extended for extenuating circumstances? They have been explained in advance with the problem, so give some leeway.

Yes, it can, and we often do extend it when it is needed. The Free Study won't be over for a few more days, there's plenty of time to maybe find the originals.

Thanks for the reply! It's upsetting when a valued member makes an honest mistake.

Skip

Canon EOS-1D X

Canon EF 300mm f/2.8L IS USM

11/03/2007 06:49:12 PM · #14

i hope like hell you can find originals, cause i'd really hate ribboning with an asterisk. good luck!

zxaar

11/03/2007 06:50:28 PM · #15

Originally posted by kawesttex:

Originally posted by ursula:

Originally posted by kawesttex:
Can '48' hours be extended for extenuating circumstances? They have been explained in advance with the problem, so give some leeway.

Yes, it can, and we often do extend it when it is needed. The Free Study won't be over for a few more days, there's plenty of time to maybe find the originals.

Thanks for the reply! It's upsetting when a valued member makes an honest mistake.

i am surpired because brad is here so long to know all this in advance and be careful about it. Anyway best of luck.

Message edited by author 2007-11-03 18:52:08.

muckpond

Nikon D200

Sigma 15mm f/2.8 EX Diagonal Fisheye for Nikon

11/03/2007 06:54:38 PM · #16

put the hard drive in the freezer! seriously! i saved all of my photos from a 13 day europe trip last summer that way, and also saved about 50Gb of a friend's photos the same way just a couple of weeks ago.

even if you don't do it for these images, you can at least get his data back!

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

11/03/2007 07:18:06 PM · #17

Nick has a tech trying to get the data off his drive. Seems the HD in his mac had a bad sector of something, and ended up causing all sorts of problems. Apple support walked him through some processes, including reinstalling some programs, but it ended up causing it to no long boot up.

The experience from being behind the fire lines and the lives that the images touched are worth far more than an icon to me.
I'd do it all over again even if I knew ahead of time I would get a DQ.

Thanks to all for the kinds words, and sorry to the SC for having to do what you have to do.

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

11/03/2007 07:25:14 PM · #18

Originally posted by muckpond:

But not like this!

briantammy

Olympus PEN E-P3

Konica Minolta MF 85mm f/1.7

11/03/2007 07:32:03 PM · #19

dang!!!!!

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

11/03/2007 07:32:41 PM · #20

DriveSavers is offering fire victims a $500 discount towards file recovery. They are not cheap, but it seems like they can work some real magic ...

LevT

Olympus OM-1

Olympus 12-100mm f/4.0 M.Zuiko ED IS PRO

11/03/2007 08:05:41 PM · #21

crap! sorry to hear that... let's hope for the disk recovery.

if it was an ntfs of fat partition, I'd recommend to use this miracle of a program
//www.diydatarecovery.nl/
it was able to recover a hopeless disk for me once, but I don't think it will work with macs...

ClubJuggle

Panasonic Lumix DMC-G85 (Lumix DMC-G80)

11/03/2007 08:26:11 PM · #22

Also worth mentioning is that even if both images do get DQ´d, there's enough precedent that I feel safe in saying that it would probably be counted as one occurrence for the purposes of calculating penalties - which in this case would mean no suspension.

~Terry

BrianM

11/03/2007 10:28:02 PM · #23

If the tech guy can't save it try Spinrite from www.grc.com
I've had it recover drives that I thought were beyond repair.

jackal9

Canon EOS-50D