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11/01/2007 06:41:46 PM · #1
Just out of curiosity: What does the DPC etiquette say about copying others' ideas? Let's say I see some clever idea in a challenge and then submit a very similar picture in another one. Will this be encouraged or frowned upon?

Thanks for letting me know what you think.
11/01/2007 06:43:42 PM · #2
Originally posted by Sam94720:

Just out of curiosity: What does the DPC etiquette say about copying others' ideas? Let's say I see some clever idea in a challenge and then submit a very similar picture in another one. Will this be encouraged or frowned upon?

Thanks for letting me know what you think.


Copying is completely encouraged at DPC, at least scorewise. The quickest and easiest way to get high scores at DPC is to copy the ribbon winners.
11/01/2007 06:44:26 PM · #3
Hi Sam,

Lots of people attempt to recreate the work of another as a way to learn new techniques. DPC does not frown on this; however, it is customary to give credit to the original photographer in the Photog Notes of the "second" image. Alternately, you could title your recreation as "Tribute to...." to give credit for the idea.
11/01/2007 06:44:33 PM · #4
I have copied ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' Graphicfunk on quite a few occasions. If you do it well or better than the original image you should be OK but if you can't live up to the original then the voters will let you know. Of course I make it a must to give props to the original artist. Here is my most recent copy.

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Message edited by author 2007-11-01 18:44:59.
11/01/2007 06:46:53 PM · #5
Originally posted by posthumous:

Originally posted by Sam94720:

Just out of curiosity: What does the DPC etiquette say about copying others' ideas? Let's say I see some clever idea in a challenge and then submit a very similar picture in another one. Will this be encouraged or frowned upon?

Thanks for letting me know what you think.


Copying is completely encouraged at DPC, at least scorewise. The quickest and easiest way to get high scores at DPC is to copy the ribbon winners.


Ditto. To score even better copy an idea not done on DPC then you'll also get the creative/originality vote. I swear someone could submit the Mona Lisa and some people will actually think it's new when voting.

Message edited by author 2007-11-01 18:47:15.
11/01/2007 06:47:30 PM · #6
Copying is a good way of learning how someone created a photo. It will depend on if your photo is better or not than the original if you get good or bad votes on it. There are probably some who will give it a lower score but given that there are often several similar images in any given challenge, it is still best to take what the person did and try to re-interpret it in hopefully a different way. Try to see what you would do differently to make it better.
11/01/2007 06:49:09 PM · #7
Originally posted by L2:

Hi Sam,

Lots of people attempt to recreate the work of another as a way to learn new techniques. DPC does not frown on this; however, it is customary to give credit to the original photographer in the Photog Notes of the "second" image. Alternately, you could title your recreation as "Tribute to...." to give credit for the idea.


What would be even better is to offer your own interpretation of the idea rather than just a straight copy. One can learn on their own copying the idea but when you submit to the challenges you should be submitting your own work at least that's how I view it anyway.
11/01/2007 06:49:21 PM · #8
Many threads on this topic.

Basically this....what may seem to be a copy, may very well be inspired from the source.

If you watch television, there are very few, nay, not one, prime time, network episodic television shows that are not using the same formula to get the audience attention.

All television is the same on the networks.

Now, the Sci-fi channel, and HBO have some uniqueness to them.

As to still photography, prove that there is plagiarism. You can't. Even if the image looks the same, there will be some subtle differences because each photog is different in their approach.

The Exif meta data may seem the same, but what about the lighting? The angle? The bg? The pp? The color?


11/01/2007 08:25:52 PM · #9
Thanks a lot for your answers.

' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' Man_Called_Horse, I'm a bit confused by yours. Are you saying that if there's any difference between two pictures, one cannot be a plagiarism of the other?

Take the shot ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' thegrandwazoo mentioned above: Although there are many differences between the original and the copy, I think it's very likely that one was inspired by the other, don't you agree?

And by the way, both ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' Graphicfunk and ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' thegrandwazoo: I love your pictures! Wonderful idea and great effort.

If someone tried to recreate one of my pictures, I would feel honored. I think imitation is totally ok as long as the source is credited. However, there are some creative ideas that are great the first time you see them, but not so much the fourth and fifth time...
11/01/2007 08:31:07 PM · #10
You dont have to give credit to anyone. If you do then please give credit to every influence you have had and don't leave out any aunts or uncles.

Message edited by author 2007-11-01 20:32:00.
11/01/2007 08:36:15 PM · #11
Originally posted by yanko:

Originally posted by posthumous:

Originally posted by Sam94720:

Just out of curiosity: What does the DPC etiquette say about copying others' ideas? Let's say I see some clever idea in a challenge and then submit a very similar picture in another one. Will this be encouraged or frowned upon?

Thanks for letting me know what you think.


Copying is completely encouraged at DPC, at least scorewise. The quickest and easiest way to get high scores at DPC is to copy the ribbon winners.


Ditto. To score even better copy an idea not done on DPC then you'll also get the creative/originality vote. I swear someone could submit the Mona Lisa and some people will actually think it's new when voting.


This part gotta agree very much. There is one photo (i do not want to point out) i used to like a lot thinking that it was very creative idea. Until I saw the exact same thing is a very old photography magazine at out library. For me if someone is creative has lot more respect than the one who has awesome photoshop credentials but almost zero creativity.
Thinking different is very difficult and kudos to all of those who manage to do it. (Pedro is my fav photog just for one this reason. He is creative).
11/01/2007 09:21:06 PM · #12
Of course, some people copy THEMSELVES :-) It's called "having a style" I think. ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' Librodo comes to mind; he's a wonderfully skilled photographer and a very creative one, with 31 ribbons and 14 honorable mentions, but take a look at his top-ranked images sometime and see what I mean.

On a lesser scale I do that myself, of course: my two highest scoring images are shot from the exact same spot in a marsh, and both are sunsets, albeit differently colored versions.

What I'd ask here is "from a creativity POV, is there any difference between "plagiarizing" yourself or "plagiarizing" others?" I don't really think so, to be honest. I think there's very little we see in DPC that is not built upon previous images in one way or another.

R.
11/01/2007 09:53:39 PM · #13
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

What I'd ask here is "from a creativity POV, is there any difference between "plagiarizing" yourself or "plagiarizing" others?" I don't really think so, to be honest. I think there's very little we see in DPC that is not built upon previous images in one way or another.

R.


Building up on an existing idea and straight copying are two different things entirely. I doubt I could simply copy one of the Rolling Stones songs and change like a word or two and call it my own but I could sing in a similar style they made famous and if I can give it a unique twist I may even make a name for myself with it. Naturally I would be copying myself if I continued to sing songs in that fashion but through it all there needs to be something uniquely my own for it to work. Otherwise I'm just a cover band. Photography is no different.
11/01/2007 10:00:11 PM · #14
Sure if all you do is copy that's not good but the occasional homage seems healthy to me it also lets you remember where you came from.

Message edited by author 2007-11-01 22:00:28.
11/01/2007 10:06:48 PM · #15
LOL...

I don't know if anyone else told you this but there are thousands of photos here, and whatever you come up with, seems like taken and done before, which you never know... until someone points it out and call you "copy-cat" LOL happened to me a couple of times, and honestly I didn't know there were similar photos.

So, as they say these days "You can't come up with new ideas, but you can make other ideas better"

My 2 cents
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