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10/30/2007 02:14:35 PM · #1
Actually my question is really this, but the title wouldnt allow me to use enough characters:

Has an image straight from the camera (no post processing in any program not just PS) ever ribboned in a challenge where editing was allowed?
10/30/2007 02:16:11 PM · #2
I would think not, since you have to at least resize the image :-)
10/30/2007 02:17:24 PM · #3
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

I would think not, since you have to at least resize the image :-)

Aren't there some digital cameras out there that will shoot at 640 pixels or smaller? :-P
10/30/2007 02:17:27 PM · #4
Good point, so other than any processing that would be required in order to submit the image, such as resizing and compression.
10/30/2007 02:19:38 PM · #5
I doubt it - aside from the minimal editing challenges that is.

I just don't see an unprocessed image scoring all that well here.
10/30/2007 02:21:46 PM · #6
Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

I would think not, since you have to at least resize the image :-)

Aren't there some digital cameras out there that will shoot at 640 pixels or smaller? :-P

He-he. The P&S Olympus 720 I own will shoot at 640x480. :-)

Now, if there's a DSLR that you could crank up the saturation/contrast/sharpness in camera, at 640 x 480, you might have a shot with an outstanding photo.
10/30/2007 02:23:18 PM · #7
My Casio Exlim will shoot 640x480. Don't know about the size of the file but I'm going to try it out.
10/30/2007 02:25:21 PM · #8
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10/30/2007 02:25:57 PM · #9
You know, I think tis shot would of given anyone a run for their money in a challenge where editing was allowed.. This is straight from the camera.. A truly outstanding accomplishment. This scored over 8 as well..

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Message edited by author 2007-10-30 14:26:11.
10/30/2007 02:47:25 PM · #10
Hell I scored my first 6 by leaning out a car window and snapping the shutter a hundred times lol.

Cant be too hard todo the opposite setup a good shot and not process it lol. of course were also talking about scoring a 7 .... anyways

Message edited by author 2007-10-30 14:53:08.
10/30/2007 02:59:32 PM · #11
Interesting question. Don't think it concerns resizing or compression, but just no pp tweaks? What is behind the question is in ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' AlexSaberi's remarks on his alien moon shot, no? What you can do with the camera alone. If this is what interests you, and I think it should, just look at a bunch of the minimal editing entries.
10/30/2007 03:07:03 PM · #12
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

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did you notice the date on this one?
Feb 4, 2002
10/30/2007 03:09:12 PM · #13
I wish there was minimal editing at least once a week
10/30/2007 03:19:43 PM · #14
Every shot is processed.

Whether you choose to shoot jpeg and have the camera process it based on the set parameters or whether you shoot RAW and use the RAW converter to process it.
10/30/2007 03:26:04 PM · #15
I think a whole lot of people use post processing/ exposure adjustments etc as a crutch to prop up bad camera technique. There are plenty of threads each week wanting to know how to 'fix' some error in photoshop, when the real solution would have been to shoot it right in the first place - light it right, pose the person right, expose it right, be there at the right time of day and so on.

Good camera technique is half the battle and many seem to not even bother, preferring to 'fix' after the fact.

But good post processing is also half the battle. You can go a lot further when you get both right and don't have to waste your time fixing mistakes along the way.

Minimal editing challenges etc are boring in the extreme to me to look at - because they are just half finished images, but if it helps people actually learn how to expose & light properly, they would be a great advantage to many users of the site.
10/30/2007 03:29:17 PM · #16
Originally posted by cpanaioti:

Every shot is processed.

Whether you choose to shoot jpeg and have the camera process it based on the set parameters or whether you shoot RAW and use the RAW converter to process it.


Exactly.

For example, there is no such thing as absolute color. Your camera makes some decisions. Might as well come back with a more intelligent tool (your brain + PS) and fix the color. Sharpness and contrast, too.

Edit: Ditto to what Gordon said as well. The two really must work together.

Message edited by author 2007-10-30 15:31:16.
10/30/2007 03:29:41 PM · #17
Originally posted by bvlindalou:

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

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did you notice the date on this one?
Feb 4, 2002


Yeah, practically the stone age :-D
10/30/2007 03:31:12 PM · #18
This is actually an interesting question. The way people describe processing a picture is a matter of taste. I personally do not like the way some dpc photos are done because they involve way too much post-treatment as a way to 'hide' or even to 'erase' the natural tones of the original photo. I will certainly not describe such a work as a photograph but rather a digitally picture 'intensively' reprocessed. IMO, it is not photography. This is of course a matter of debate, some may agree and some other may not.
10/30/2007 03:31:35 PM · #19
Originally posted by cpanaioti:

Every shot is processed.

Whether you choose to shoot jpeg and have the camera process it based on the set parameters or whether you shoot RAW and use the RAW converter to process it.


Ditto for film. Choice of film, paper, chemicals, development time, development temp are all decisions that change the outcome of the photo.
10/30/2007 03:36:07 PM · #20
Originally posted by Gordon:


Minimal editing challenges etc are boring in the extreme to me to look at - because they are just half finished images, but if it helps people actually learn how to expose & light properly, they would be a great advantage to many users of the site.


The current min-ed challenge shows just how much benefit could be gained from having more of them. There are some real stinkers in PJIII. I hope we have more technical challenges under the min-ed ruleset, as a learning tool.
10/30/2007 03:49:57 PM · #21
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Originally posted by Gordon:


Minimal editing challenges etc are boring in the extreme to me to look at - because they are just half finished images, but if it helps people actually learn how to expose & light properly, they would be a great advantage to many users of the site.


The current min-ed challenge shows just how much benefit could be gained from having more of them. There are some real stinkers in PJIII. I hope we have more technical challenges under the min-ed ruleset, as a learning tool.

AGREE 100%! I went out to shoot the PJ challenge, unfortunately one day late as I thought it started Sunday night. I used RAW+Jpg and used the JPG file for minimum editing. Did nothing to the picture but sharpen once and resize to 640x and love the results. I think it is one of my best photo's in a long time.
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