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 10/12/2007 08:54:01 AM · #76
That was my thought when I read this. I mean, on your wedding day (mine was 16 years ago today, by the way!), during the most tender moment of the ceremony, do you really want to be thinking about your photographer instead of your spouse? Didn't think so (unless your photographer is really hot, anyway).

I tell my couples that the last thing they should be thinking about on their wedding day is what the photographer is doing. It's the photographer's job to capture what's going on, not to demand how it goes on. I try to do that as unobtrusively as possible, aside from the formals.

Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by eschelar:


Ask the bride and groom to HOLD THEIR KISS AS STILL AS POSSIBLE until they hear THREE shutter clicks. Or whatever you think you will need. Remember, ask for three shutter clicks and you they will move after two.



To me this seems like a really bad idea. I'd hope the last thing on the bride and groom's mind at that moment in time would be worrying about what the photographer is doing and posing. It seems intrusive and rude to be asking them to think about it, really.
10/12/2007 08:57:03 AM · #77
Originally posted by NstiG8tr:
I'd still beg for, steal or borrow $75 and go get a 50mm 1.8 to have with me too.


I fully agree. It's a good investment anyway, whatever type of photography you are into. It gives you the shorter focal distance if you need it AND the 1.5 stop extra that might just save you under these conditions. Besides, sinces it is a very low-weight lense, it allows for longer shutter times, provided your hands are not shaking.

Good luck!

Message edited by author 2007-10-12 08:58:09.
 10/12/2007 09:12:32 AM · #78
Originally posted by alanfreed:
That was my thought when I read this. I mean, on your wedding day (mine was 16 years ago today, by the way!), during the most tender moment of the ceremony, do you really want to be thinking about your photographer instead of your spouse? Didn't think so (unless your photographer is really hot, anyway).

I tell my couples that the last thing they should be thinking about on their wedding day is what the photographer is doing. It's the photographer's job to capture what's going on, not to demand how it goes on. I try to do that as unobtrusively as possible, aside from the formals.

Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by eschelar:


Ask the bride and groom to HOLD THEIR KISS AS STILL AS POSSIBLE until they hear THREE shutter clicks. Or whatever you think you will need. Remember, ask for three shutter clicks and you they will move after two.



To me this seems like a really bad idea. I'd hope the last thing on the bride and groom's mind at that moment in time would be worrying about what the photographer is doing and posing. It seems intrusive and rude to be asking them to think about it, really.


To each their own. I had to do one recently where the B&G were nervous and did their kiss so fast that at 5FPS, I literally had just one shot. Rude or not, they have made a decision to pay money so they can have their moments recorded on film. If they kiss for 1/20 of a second but the lighting is nigh on impossible and requires a shutter speed of 1/30 of a second, there's not much chance you are going to get anything usable. And they will blame the photographer.

Everyone has their own style for how they want to carry out their wedding, but for a special tender moment that lasts a small fraction of a second - specifically when they have chosen a venue which complicates photography greatly - what is better, that they have a twentieth of a second of pure intimacy (in a public hall) or that they have an actual picture of the memorable moment that will last years if not decades.

Incidentally, I would only ask for three shutter clicks in the case of this situation where lighting and lens options are spare enough to seriously compromise the likelihood of a 'clean shot'.

Personally, I shoot all fast lenses and use a camera that I am comfortable using at ISO 1000 specifically so I don't need to get too antsy about how fast people do stuff in low light situations (I'm not a wedding photographer although I will shoot a freebie or a second shooter spot). And while I do make an effort to stay out of the way, when I did do a wedding as primary shooter this past summer, the bride felt that it was important enough to her that she get a picture that she actually looked at me to make sure I was ready (I was) before commencing.

Yes, the photographer has a responsibility to stay as low key as possible, but that doesn't change the fact that the B&G still do actually want pictures.
 10/12/2007 09:15:40 AM · #79
Originally posted by eschelar:
If they kiss for 1/20 of a second but the lighting is nigh on impossible and requires a shutter speed of 1/30 of a second, there's not much chance you are going to get anything usable. And they will blame the photographer.

Seriously? You've been to a wedding where the kiss lasted 1/20th of a second?

Damn, I'd *love* to have been there! If nothing else but to see the look on the bride's face.
 10/12/2007 09:17:43 AM · #80
Originally posted by jhonan:
Originally posted by eschelar:
If they kiss for 1/20 of a second but the lighting is nigh on impossible and requires a shutter speed of 1/30 of a second, there's not much chance you are going to get anything usable. And they will blame the photographer.

Seriously? You've been to a wedding where the kiss lasted 1/20th of a second?

Damn, I'd *love* to have been there! If nothing else but to see the look on the bride's face.


We call that Fore Play in Australia hahahaha "Ready Now?" ;P
 10/12/2007 09:25:22 AM · #81
Originally posted by jhonan:
Originally posted by eschelar:
If they kiss for 1/20 of a second but the lighting is nigh on impossible and requires a shutter speed of 1/30 of a second, there's not much chance you are going to get anything usable. And they will blame the photographer.

Seriously? You've been to a wedding where the kiss lasted 1/20th of a second?

Damn, I'd *love* to have been there! If nothing else but to see the look on the bride's face.


I did. The couple actually acted "disgusted" about the kiss. Man, the thoughts that raced through my mind as I witnessed that. Makes me wonder if they are still together!

10/12/2007 10:01:16 AM · #82
Originally posted by dwterry:
I did. The couple actually acted "disgusted" about the kiss. Man, the thoughts that raced through my mind as I witnessed that. Makes me wonder if they are still together!


Congrats to the Freed's btw!

Ours lasted "too long"


10/12/2007 10:02:54 AM · #83
Originally posted by eschelar:
- what is better, that they have a twentieth of a second of pure intimacy (in a public hall) or that they have an actual picture of the memorable moment that will last years if not decades.


Honestly, to me, I think that it would be better if they have a few seconds right when they commit to each other, when they actually think just about each other and don't worry about making life easier for the people they hired to do a job.
10/12/2007 10:09:17 AM · #84
Originally posted by Gordon:
Congrats to the Freed's btw!

Ours lasted "too long"


When I first read that, I thought you meant your marriage lasted too long... eeep!

Yep, 16 years ago today, at this moment my wife was scurrying around like a crazy woman to prepare for our noon wedding. The guys in the wedding party (myself included) were probably just getting out of bed at 10:00 a.m. At literally 11:50 a.m., 10 minutes before the wedding, I was standing in line at the grocery store to buy the flowers for the mothers. Ah, the memories!
 10/12/2007 10:17:34 AM · #85
Originally posted by eschelar:
Everyone has their own style for how they want to carry out their wedding, but for a special tender moment that lasts a small fraction of a second - specifically when they have chosen a venue which complicates photography greatly - what is better, that they have a twentieth of a second of pure intimacy (in a public hall) or that they have an actual picture of the memorable moment that will last years if not decades.

Fair enough, but I would never ask/tell the B&G to listen for the sound of my shutter and wait for 3 clicks. Then you do get a posed shot. Instead, I remind them both right before the ceremony to "make the kiss count." This is easy for them to remember, reminds them that I need time to get the pictures, and emboldens them with a little extra passion during that moment without making them listen for (and count!) shutter clicks, especially if I have to shoot from down the aisle.

ETA: Sarah, good luck with the shoot! Judging from your Homicide photos I'm sure you'll do great!

Message edited by author 2007-10-12 10:19:51.
 10/12/2007 10:26:33 AM · #86
Originally posted by alanfreed:
Originally posted by Gordon:
Congrats to the Freed's btw!

Ours lasted "too long"


When I first read that, I thought you meant your marriage lasted too long... eeep!


Nope - 6 years so far, still going strong ;)
 10/12/2007 11:14:08 AM · #87
Originally posted by CalamitysMaster00:
Originally posted by MattO:
I got to say you have taken on quite a task for yourself given your limited lens selection. At $1200 a wedding you should have had some fantastic looking glass to shoot with. Good luck.

MattO


Well, with that price I can afford to rent a lens.... renting around here (IN Kansas City, at least that I've found) is about 150 starting a day. Very doable ..... 600 bucks is not worth cutting in half to get lenses for the day. :(


What????

Rent online. You can rent L glass for $50 a week.

borrowlenses.com
rentglass.com
 10/12/2007 11:21:05 AM · #88
what i don't understand is why a church wouldn't want to help accommodate the photographer. i'm not talking about a crazy amount of flashes or anything, but at least let her move around a bit. and who wants their house of worship to look like a dingy warehouse?

even god appreciates good lighting.
 10/12/2007 11:31:23 AM · #89
The actual wedding ceremony pictures are only part of the entire wedding. Set up the best photos, reception, cakes, rings etc where you want to prepare area and guests. Remember they hired you your in control believe in yourself. Shoot video as well even if they dont ask for it a good video is priceless. hope this helps. psart: most wedding photos with trees flowers exterior shots get best cudo's later. View examples on web just search wedding photos etc. for ideas. I used to do weddings but not my cup of tea.
 10/12/2007 12:54:43 PM · #90
Originally posted by muckpond:
what i don't understand is why a church wouldn't want to help accommodate the photographer. i'm not talking about a crazy amount of flashes or anything, but at least let her move around a bit. and who wants their house of worship to look like a dingy warehouse?

even god appreciates good lighting.


Usually it has to do with the clergy's past experiences with or fears about photographers being disruptive to the ceremony.
 10/12/2007 12:56:06 PM · #91
i mentioned it before, but my friend got married and the church did not allow any photography period. The hired pro got to sit back and relax until after teh church ceremony.
 10/12/2007 01:55:56 PM · #92
Separation of church and state photography :P
10/12/2007 03:52:51 PM · #93
Originally posted by Creature:
Originally posted by eschelar:
Everyone has their own style for how they want to carry out their wedding, but for a special tender moment that lasts a small fraction of a second - specifically when they have chosen a venue which complicates photography greatly - what is better, that they have a twentieth of a second of pure intimacy (in a public hall) or that they have an actual picture of the memorable moment that will last years if not decades.

Fair enough, but I would never ask/tell the B&G to listen for the sound of my shutter and wait for 3 clicks. Then you do get a posed shot. Instead, I remind them both right before the ceremony to "make the kiss count." This is easy for them to remember, reminds them that I need time to get the pictures, and emboldens them with a little extra passion during that moment without making them listen for (and count!) shutter clicks, especially if I have to shoot from down the aisle.

ETA: Sarah, good luck with the shoot! Judging from your Homicide photos I'm sure you'll do great!


Thanks man, I appreciate it. I'm going there at 6:00pm tonight to test the lighting and the lens I'm renting. I'm hopeful.
10/12/2007 04:34:14 PM · #94
This thread scared me, I got myself a Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II today :/

I am sure this does the job in dim churches :)
 10/12/2007 04:37:51 PM · #95
I'm glad I'm not alone. :)
10/13/2007 12:13:28 AM · #96
Originally posted by Creature:
Fair enough, but I would never ask/tell the B&G to listen for the sound of my shutter and wait for 3 clicks. Then you do get a posed shot. Instead, I remind them both right before the ceremony to "make the kiss count." This is easy for them to remember, reminds them that I need time to get the pictures, and emboldens them with a little extra passion during that moment without making them listen for (and count!) shutter clicks, especially if I have to shoot from down the aisle.

ETA: Sarah, good luck with the shoot! Judging from your Homicide photos I'm sure you'll do great!


For the record, this is the type of wording that I would use in most circumstances.

I am not certain of just how bad the lighting might be for Sarah. I'm kinda picturing 1/5th of a second as a worst case scenario for when she gets there. Time of day and weather could have a pretty big influence on things as well.

A month ago I did a wedding where the kiss lasted around 1/20 of a second. It was a cross-cultural wedding and the Korean side of the wedding party came from a VERY 'traditional' background. During the wedding reception, he told a story about how when the bride (half Australian) came to meet the parents after they were engaged and he got upset because they were HOLDING HANDS. In Korea - I am told - wedding ceremonies do not typically feature kisses at all. Their decision to actually even have a kiss came _during_ the ceremony, about 30 seconds before the actual kiss. I knew it was going to be quick, so I waited and timed the first shot of the burst, but the second frame shows that they are already more than an inch apart. I'd guess around 1/20 of a second.

I was shooting at 1/80 under fluorescents and white ceiling tiles with a 50mm f/1.4 at f/2.0. I consider that to have been a fairly bright situation and I was fairly comfortable with it. Turn the light down a few notches and take away my f/1.4 lens, I'd start sweating a bit. I do not generally use flash for public 'performances'.
 10/14/2007 11:22:44 AM · #97
Bump!

How did it go? Was it a horrible mistake? Or did you skills pull through? Or are you still recovering from a great day of shooting?

--Arm Chair Wedding Photographer
 10/14/2007 12:34:07 PM · #98
Originally posted by Nullix:
Bump!

How did it go? Was it a horrible mistake? Or did you skills pull through? Or are you still recovering from a great day of shooting?

--Arm Chair Wedding Photographer


hehe, she's probably still hungover from the reception.
 10/14/2007 01:18:42 PM · #99
Originally posted by wavelength:
Originally posted by Nullix:
Bump!

How did it go? Was it a horrible mistake? Or did you skills pull through? Or are you still recovering from a great day of shooting?

--Arm Chair Wedding Photographer


hehe, she's probably still hungover from the reception.


Here's hoping they didn't run her out of town on a rail.... :-)

R.
 10/14/2007 10:04:02 PM · #100
I think we will see some good images in a day or two, when they get sorted and touched up a little. Be patient!
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