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08/29/2007 10:28:34 AM · #1 |
Not to take away from the glass ribbon winners - they are technically great shots - this is more of a rant against the voters.
How about rewarding creativity?
I've lost track of how many front pages included well lit wine glasses or bottles (I'll save the rant of colored water drip macros for another time ;)
Web Site Suggestion:
Show MY top 3 voted images as ribbon winners on front page as an option if logged in. (only half-assed facetious)
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08/29/2007 03:03:02 PM · #2 |
My beef is that there are so many in the top 50 (top 10 even) that barely meet the challenge requirements (if at all). Voters even leave comments that acknowledge the fact that additional light sources were used and objects weren't supposed to be silhouetted, but gave it a 10 anyway? I don't care if it's the best picture I've ever seen, if it doesn't meet the challenge, it gets a '1'. If the challenge is based on a word, people can bend the meaning to make their photo seem to meet the challenge. This one though, was based on a specific style of photography. If you used your flash to light from the front (7th, 9th and 18th place) or silhouetted your subject (6th and 10th), you didn't meet the challenge in my opinion...sorry.
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08/29/2007 03:07:22 PM · #3 |
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08/29/2007 03:16:47 PM · #4 |
Oh, and don't forget any picture of a bald eagle will get big votes from a majority of folks as well. (how do put an image of a blad eagle inside a glass that has a drop coming out of it, while backlit?)
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08/29/2007 03:42:46 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by dkershey:
My beef is that there are so many in the top 50 (top 10 even) that barely meet the challenge requirements (if at all). Voters even leave comments that acknowledge the fact that additional light sources were used and objects weren't supposed to be silhouetted, but gave it a 10 anyway? I don't care if it's the best picture I've ever seen, if it doesn't meet the challenge, it gets a '1'. If the challenge is based on a word, people can bend the meaning to make their photo seem to meet the challenge. This one though, was based on a specific style of photography. If you used your flash to light from the front (7th, 9th and 18th place) or silhouetted your subject (6th and 10th), you didn't meet the challenge in my opinion...sorry. |
I was not in this challenge, but where did it say that the subject was ONLY to be backlit (hint: nowhere).
So using flash DID meet challenge, providing the subject was backlit as well.
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08/29/2007 03:48:51 PM · #6 |
The problem with that hawkeye is that the shots he is talking about (the flowers for example), the thing that is the main subject is ONLY lit by the flash. (especially the shot of the red flowers, which was clearly the main subject and not even slightly lit by the backlit sky)
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08/29/2007 04:06:43 PM · #7 |
6 & 10 aren't silhouettes unless your monitor is out of wack.
As for the others, where did it say you had to use only a backlight or backlighting ?
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08/29/2007 04:07:38 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by basssman7:
(especially the shot of the red flowers, which was clearly the main subject and not even slightly lit by the backlit sky) |
The sky is backlit... The shot would be dramatically different without all those backlit clouds, don't you think ?
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08/29/2007 04:13:05 PM · #9 |
Gordon, it says that your "main subject" should be backlit. It is obvious in that flower pic that the main subject is the flowers. Otherwise there would be no point to lighting them, it would have just been a nice sky shot. there is virtually NO backlight hitting the flowers.
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08/29/2007 04:16:18 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by doctornick:
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Agreed this horse is so dead... stop beating it! why not go to one of the hundred other DNMC threads out there? |
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08/29/2007 04:17:34 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
6 & 10 aren't silhouettes unless your monitor is out of wack.
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I agree with you that 6th is fine.
10th would be totally silhouetted if it were not for the fill flash. I think that it is the fill flash that makes this shot, not the backlight which is minor in this photo. The main lighting is supposed to be the backlighting according to the description of the challenge.
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08/29/2007 04:18:26 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by basssman7:
Originally posted by Gordon:
6 & 10 aren't silhouettes unless your monitor is out of wack.
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I agree with you that 6th is fine.
10th would be totally silhouetted if it were not for the fill flash. I think that it is the fill flash that makes this shot, not the backlight which is minor in this photo. The main lighting is supposed to be the backlighting according to the description of the challenge. |
Yes, the main lighting. It looks the main lighting is coming from flash behind the subject, coming towards the camera. Are we looking at the same picture ?
The folded album pages with the really bright flash blowing out everything in the center , backlighting the subject ?
Message edited by author 2007-08-29 16:20:21.
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08/29/2007 04:19:01 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by cudjoem:
Originally posted by doctornick:
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Agreed this horse is so dead... stop beating it! why not go to one of the hundred other DNMC threads out there? |
Ummm. because this thread is about a very recent challenge and is using specific shots as examples instead of generalizations, and last time I checked, this forum is where you are supposed to discuss such things?
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08/29/2007 04:19:44 PM · #14 |
| Did either of you (bassman and rswank) vote in this challenge? |
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08/29/2007 04:23:26 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by mk:
Did either of you (bassman and rswank) vote in this challenge? |
Myself, no. Unfortunately my computer was messed all weekend, which is when I usually have the time to vote. :( I ended up having to reformat it as a last result which then took all of last night up. (lovely millions of xp updates after the re-install!)
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08/29/2007 05:07:02 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by mk:
Did either of you (bassman and rswank) vote in this challenge? |
Would my 1 out of 200+ votes have changed anything?
Don't think so.
I disagree with equal opportunity on the ribbon winners on challenges I've voted on, didn't vote on, entered and didn't enter.
What's your point? |
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08/29/2007 05:27:35 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by rswank:
Not to take away from the glass ribbon winners - they are technically great shots - this is more of a rant against the voters.
How about rewarding creativity?
I've lost track of how many front pages included well lit wine glasses or bottles (I'll save the rant of colored water drip macros for another time ;)
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I also have been thinking the same.
Same used formula works always.
Message edited by author 2007-08-29 17:27:56. |
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08/29/2007 05:28:00 PM · #18 |
To unfortunately agree with the original post i agree, and infact would expand that all first and second places on all three current challenges on the front page. They're all the same.
Not to sound too down on this point but given the now 'boring' shots that seem to keep winning and being repeated and the constant bickering in the forums, DPC seems to be losing it's shine.
Before some of you tell me to just go somewhere else then, i rarely moan, nor rant, and i think i deserve one.
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08/29/2007 05:47:34 PM · #19 |
Photobuddy's blue is a great shot, especially in basic. Well deserving of the blue, look at his portfolio, his top 3 shots are the same technique. Looks like he has mastered this technique and was looking for a ribbon......so what. Should he be voted down for doing the same thing? I don't think so.
I have never tried this technique and would love to learn. If I do and submit it for a challenge should I be voted down because it looks like a copy? This is a learning site for many (me included), why can't we just look at the pretty pictures and vote accordingly? |
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08/29/2007 07:17:55 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by Ben:
To unfortunately agree with the original post i agree, and infact would expand that all first and second places on all three current challenges on the front page. They're all the same.
Not to sound too down on this point but given the now 'boring' shots that seem to keep winning and being repeated and the constant bickering in the forums, DPC seems to be losing it's shine.
Before some of you tell me to just go somewhere else then, i rarely moan, nor rant, and i think i deserve one. |
this was my first chalenge.
when i first looked at the photos submited for this chalenge i couldnt believe how many photos were not backlit. i didnt think for a second that photos like #1 & #2 would even make it to the first 20 - dont get me wrong, they are really nice photos but not exactly the photos you'd find as examples of backlighting in a photography technique book. unfortunately a lot of other photos in the first few pages are not backlit.
i just dont understand why in a "backlighting" chalenge so many non-backlighting photos win.
Ben, after going over recent chalenges i think you are correct.
i think i'll try that at my next entry.
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