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08/20/2007 04:02:15 PM · #26
Originally posted by zaflabout:

Originally posted by routerguy666:

I don't see how any competitor can be in a position of playing catch-up to a company with inventory problems like Nikon.

There are plenty of reasons people by one brand over another. I know that I'm not alone in that given two pretty similiar products, I will buy the one I don't have to wait 3 months to receive.

Nikon wants to be king of the hill, they need to scale up.


simply put people want their product, that's why they are out of stock, that should tell you something :)


People are picky with stuff like that...especially on big ticket items...

I will probably only shoot Nikon for the rest of my career unless something very big happens (and I can afford a 39mp Hasselblad -COMMMMME ON POWERBALL!)
08/20/2007 04:04:41 PM · #27
Originally posted by routerguy666:

I don't see how any competitor can be in a position of playing catch-up to a company with inventory problems like Nikon.

There are plenty of reasons people by one brand over another. I know that I'm not alone in that given two pretty similiar products, I will buy the one I don't have to wait 3 months to receive.

Nikon wants to be king of the hill, they need to scale up.


Big reason I went with Canon. B&H told me they had lots of problems with Nikon keeping inventories up and it was not just because of demand. Manufacturing. I want what I want and I want it now. I wanted a D200 with the 18-200. 1 to 2 month wait on the 18-200....so I am now a Canon guy. No regrets.
08/20/2007 04:08:24 PM · #28
Originally posted by zaflabout:

Originally posted by citymars:

Wasn't Nikon coming up with a new *almost* full frame sensor? (You can tell how technically savvy I am).


yup that's what i was refering to:)


yeah, it's supposed to be a 1.1x crop or something. so 32.4x21.6, or more likely 33x22.
08/20/2007 04:38:45 PM · #29
Originally posted by alexzen:

Originally posted by routerguy666:

I don't see how any competitor can be in a position of playing catch-up to a company with inventory problems like Nikon.

There are plenty of reasons people by one brand over another. I know that I'm not alone in that given two pretty similiar products, I will buy the one I don't have to wait 3 months to receive.

Nikon wants to be king of the hill, they need to scale up.


Big reason I went with Canon. B&H told me they had lots of problems with Nikon keeping inventories up and it was not just because of demand. Manufacturing. I want what I want and I want it now. I wanted a D200 with the 18-200. 1 to 2 month wait on the 18-200....so I am now a Canon guy. No regrets.
Funny, it's usually canon having the problems over here.
08/20/2007 04:41:22 PM · #30
But what will be the main advantages to have a 1.1 or a FF sensor if one does not shoot at wide or extra wide angles?

A 200 mmm will become a 200(x1) or 220(x1.1)mm, whereas, a 200 mm will become a 300 mm (1.5x).

Does the picture resolution (and not the MP resolution) gets better as the crop factor -> 1? Thanks for the answer!

Message edited by author 2007-08-20 16:42:08.
08/20/2007 04:50:56 PM · #31
Originally posted by msieglerfr:

But what will be the main advantages to have a 1.1 or a FF sensor if one does not shoot at wide or extra wide angles?

A 200 mmm will become a 200(x1) or 220(x1.1)mm, whereas, a 200 mm will become a 300 mm (1.5x).

Does the picture resolution (and not the MP resolution) gets better as the crop factor -> 1? Thanks for the answer!

Larger sensors can pack more pixels in or have larger pixels (which result in lower noise).
08/20/2007 04:54:05 PM · #32
Huge viewfinder, better DOF control, lower noise at higher ISO, more pixels hence more latitude to crop...yaddy yadda...
08/20/2007 04:56:38 PM · #33
how about a challenge
NIKON VS CANON MUAHAHAHAHA:) this will settle it once and for all:)
08/20/2007 05:00:16 PM · #34
Originally posted by zaflabout:

how about a challenge
NIKON VS CANON MUAHAHAHAHA:) this will settle it once and for all:)


Current frontpage has it 6-3 Canon :-D
08/20/2007 05:05:01 PM · #35
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Originally posted by zaflabout:

how about a challenge
NIKON VS CANON MUAHAHAHAHA:) this will settle it once and for all:)


Current frontpage has it 6-3 Canon :-D


well not all nikonians were aware of the challenge:)

+ how many blue for nikon and how many for canon?

i think the blue is the most important one, comparing it to olympic gold, coutries can have 16 gold medals, and others can have 32 silver, the one with 16 gold are ranked higher:)

accordingly i think nikon is pretty much dominating and leaving the scraps for canon:P
08/20/2007 05:08:35 PM · #36
Originally posted by msieglerfr:

But what will be the main advantages to have a 1.1 or a FF sensor if one does not shoot at wide or extra wide angles?

A 200 mmm will become a 200(x1) or 220(x1.1)mm, whereas, a 200 mm will become a 300 mm (1.5x).

Does the picture resolution (and not the MP resolution) gets better as the crop factor -> 1? Thanks for the answer!

Although already answered, the chief difference is that a larger sensor chip leads to larger image pixel site on the chip with reduces the image noise.

In the Zero Noise Photography thread, Kirbic gave us this gem:

Originally posted by kirbic:

Originally posted by gloda:

What's readout noise?


Readout noise is the noise inherent in the camera circuitry that reads data from the sensor. You can't get rid of this in the way he suggests, but his methodology does help minimize its visibility. For informational purposes, there are several sources of noise in images from digital cameras:
- Random noise due to photon arrival statistics
- Fixed pattern noise, which is a function of the on-sensor electronics. Think of it as "amplifier gain error."
- Random thermal noise. We're counting electrons, and that means we have to keep the electrons trapped in very small cells. Thermal energy causes some to escape. Thermal noise also plays into amplifier noise.
More and more, noise at high ISO is dominated by photon arrival statistics. This "noise" is really a feature of the physical scene we're imaging and unless we can collect more photons, we can't lower this noise source. Collecting more photons can be done in the following ways:
- Increase pixel size (duh!). Double the size, you quadruple the area and reduce noise by 4x
- Increase quantum efficiency (there's a limit to this). We're closer to the limit than you might think. If we eliminated Bayer filters, we'd me near 30%, and some monochrome cameras are as high as 65%, which is less than a stop away from "perfect".
- Gather photons longer.
08/20/2007 05:23:05 PM · #37
Not to state the obvious, but a Canon/Nikon comparison using DPC stats is probably bogus. Too many other factors involved, including which camera models would be used for the comparison and which lenses. Not to mention there are approx. 13,800 Nikon owners on the site compared to approx. 29,300 Canon owners.
08/20/2007 05:25:33 PM · #38
Originally posted by citymars:

Not to state the obvious, but a Canon/Nikon comparison using DPC stats is probably bogus. Too many other factors involved, including which camera models would be used for the comparison and which lenses. Not to mention there are approx. 13,800 Nikon owners on the site compared to approx. 29,300 Canon owners.


which emphaseizes my point , and we still have the upper hand on the blue ribbons:P
08/20/2007 06:08:51 PM · #39
Originally posted by rswank:

Originally posted by k4rp:

Maybe this will ease things a bit for you.

//www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/200708/07-072E/index.html


Very interesting... press release "happens" to coincide with the Canon announcements.
Wonder how much better the noise characteristics are.
12 bit and APS-C size is disappointing though.
See this as the new D200's sensor. Any D3 or something alike will probably have a homemade sensor from Nikon itself.
08/20/2007 06:20:20 PM · #40

When visiting Pro Photo here in Portland, I always browse the used lens area. There are always at least 30-40 Nikon lenses available and usually only 3-4 Canon (and these are for sale from the rental dept). Why do you think this is?

Thanks
Jeff
08/20/2007 06:29:42 PM · #41
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

All your base are belong to Canon!


Yup like I said before if they don't get off there ass my new Nikon will be a Canon.


You dislike you D80 that much? You can't make ribbon winning images with it? Hell, maybe I should change over too!
08/20/2007 06:31:09 PM · #42
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Whatever they have up their sleeves, I don't think it will be a FF sensor. I seem to recall Nikon swearing they were never going there.


And by bringing out a 1.1 crop factor sensor they'll be able to save face.........
08/20/2007 06:33:04 PM · #43
Originally posted by wavelength:

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Whatever they have up their sleeves, I don't think it will be a FF sensor. I seem to recall Nikon swearing they were never going there.


I swore once that I'd never have kids. 8-|


Crop factor (shrinkage) didn't help you there either. Did it? ;)
08/20/2007 06:37:46 PM · #44
Originally posted by alexzen:

B&H told me they had lots of problems with Nikon keeping inventories up and it was not just because of demand.

That's the truth. Nikon went outside of their normal channels quite a bit with the D200. I had to buy mine at a Big Box retailer because B&H could never get more than 2 or 3 at a time for the first few months. I had no problem at all getting mine from CircuitCity only a month or so after it was released. Had to grit my teeth doing it as I hate dealing with them. ;)
08/20/2007 07:19:02 PM · #45
Originally posted by fir3bird:

Originally posted by alexzen:

B&H told me they had lots of problems with Nikon keeping inventories up and it was not just because of demand.

That's the truth. Nikon went outside of their normal channels quite a bit with the D200. I had to buy mine at a Big Box retailer because B&H could never get more than 2 or 3 at a time for the first few months. I had no problem at all getting mine from CircuitCity only a month or so after it was released. Had to grit my teeth doing it as I hate dealing with them. ;)

Amen to that.
08/20/2007 07:44:25 PM · #46
Three of the four currently displayed blue ribbon winners are Nikon users. They're doing something right, maybe all the crap Canon advertises really amounts to duck all when it comes down to the photographs. =D

Edited for typo

Message edited by author 2007-08-20 19:44:38.
08/20/2007 08:07:17 PM · #47
Originally posted by fir3bird:


And by bringing out a 1.1 crop factor sensor they'll be able to save face.........


LOL at the 1:1 crop ;-)
08/20/2007 09:10:13 PM · #48
I hear Nikon uses 75 year old guys in a remote rest home to design their cameras! :-)

(and only feed them baby food)
08/20/2007 09:16:55 PM · #49
Originally posted by kawesttex:

I hear Nikon uses 75 year old guys in a remote rest home to design their cameras! :-)

(and only feed them baby food)


That was a rumor started by Canon's insecure advertising department.
08/20/2007 10:25:07 PM · #50
Originally posted by kawesttex:

I hear Nikon uses 75 year old guys in a remote rest home to design their cameras! :-)

(and only feed them baby food)

That's just lame.
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