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08/20/2007 10:08:06 AM · #26 |
Originally posted by hopper:
then perhaps you'd sell me your 16-35 for say $350?
:)
Originally posted by doctornick:
Originally posted by hopper:
still waiting for canon to make a (non-L) wide prime - perhaps an 18mm 2.8 EF-s for say $350.00
what's the freakin' hold-up?! |
Won't happen. |
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I'll buy one and rent it to ya a week for $350 ;-P
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08/20/2007 12:03:36 PM · #27 |
Interesting that the 40D (like the MKIII's) has a 14bit ADC.
Has anyone read or seen real world improvements that this offers over 12 bit A/D ?
MF digital is typically 14 bit and I'd be interested to see if the 40D really would produce smoother tonal transitions approaching say an Aptus or H1D.
Would the bigger sensor or 14 vs 12 bits have more to do with that?
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08/20/2007 01:33:25 PM · #28 |
The specs of the 40D are really impressive for 1300$. Prices are going to drop in the subsequent days!
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08/20/2007 01:53:29 PM · #29 |
There is a typo in the New Features section on Canon website. Not sure how you can use delete dust using built-in microphone.
New Features
Dust Delete Feature - Via built-in microphone at rear of camera body; activated by pressing recording button on camera. Sound file attached to image file on memory card
Picture Style - WAV
//www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=139&modelid=15710
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08/20/2007 02:03:23 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by msieglerfr:
The specs of the 40D are really impressive for 1300$. Prices are going to drop in the subsequent days! |
Indeed. Among the most tempting (IMO):
Totally Sweet:
- 14-bit ADC
- 6.5 fps
- Supposedly much improved noise reduction with sensor and Digic III... we'll see...
Nifty:
- External hard drive storage via wireless file transfer (WFT) grip
- Some weather sealing
- Dust system
- Somehow when using GPS and the WFT, it'll record position in the EXIF data.
Convenient:
- ISO displayed in viewfinder
- AF button on the back of camera near thumb
- RAW + large/med/small JPEG
I'll have to decide my price point for the 30D... Hmmm... It's probably unrealistic to assume it'll drop below $750, but if it doesn't it won't compete much with the 40D, IMO.
Today the 30D is $989 and 40D list is $1299. The $300 difference is a no-brainer.
Unfortunately, I'm sure the WFT will be pricey, but I notice that Canon doesn't even have a product page for this device yet! |
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08/20/2007 02:09:50 PM · #31 |
I'm kinda unimpressed with both.
The Canon ultra-wide angle EF 14mm f/2.8L II USM looks yummy though.
Message edited by author 2007-08-20 14:10:08.
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08/20/2007 09:58:05 PM · #32 |
FINALLY!!!!
The 40D (what the 30D should have been but better)... I finally have a camera that justifies throwing money at it.
:)
And it has quite a few of the features I've been wanting. Dust removal, better auto-focus, lower noise, and even a potential wifi option. Okay, no GPS for the wild and mobile guys.
As for the lenses. I'd have loved an 18-80 f/2.8 IS (or even an f/3.5 all the way thru)
What do these mean?
Focusing screen
40D
• Interchangable precision matte
• Two other screens available
20D
• Fixed precision matte
Tilt correction
40D - Yes
20D - No
Focusing screens ???
(optional) • Ef-A (Standard Precision Matte - included)
• Ef-D (Precision Matte with grid)
• Ef-S (Super Precision Matte for easier manual focus)
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08/20/2007 10:06:58 PM · #33 |
Focusing screens... I can't write a post better than this, so here it is from wikipedia:
//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focusing_screen
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08/20/2007 10:10:14 PM · #34 |
These are examples of focusing screens (not the 40D's however, just from Google images):
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08/20/2007 10:20:37 PM · #35 |
| Live View with a fixed screen. Pretty useless. |
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08/20/2007 10:54:21 PM · #36 |
I'm going to guess that the 18-55mm IS is NOT a USM lens? I am seriously considering getting one...
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08/20/2007 11:04:45 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by Atropos:
Live View with a fixed screen. Pretty useless. |
HUH? WTF are you talking about?
MattO
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08/20/2007 11:08:12 PM · #38 |
Canon Canada has extended their lens and body rebates until Sept 3.
30D has a $150 rebate
5D has a $350 rebate |
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08/20/2007 11:49:08 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by MattO:
Originally posted by Atropos:
Live View with a fixed screen. Pretty useless. |
HUH? WTF are you talking about?
MattO |
I believe he's referring to the notion that, since the live preview is on a screen that cannot swivel, tilt, or pivot, that the usefulness of the feature becomes nill. Imagine, for instance, being on the 18th tee at the Masters, trying to get a shot over the gallery of Tiger sinking a 14 footer to beat Phil in a playoff. You're not getting the same advantage as if the screen could pivot down, as you look up to see if you have the entire view of Lefty getting pwned in the frame.
Or something like that. |
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08/21/2007 12:04:04 AM · #40 |
Originally posted by MattO:
HUH? |
Also, that user is a Nikon zealot who makes random negative remarks about Canon. Ignore his prattle. |
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08/21/2007 01:19:32 AM · #41 |
| An IS 18-55, and they're still using the rotating front element. Idiots. Even the kit lens would be a lot more usable if it weren't for that design flaw. |
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08/21/2007 01:13:39 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by rswank:
Interesting that the 40D (like the MKIII's) has a 14bit ADC.
Has anyone read or seen real world improvements that this offers over 12 bit A/D ?
MF digital is typically 14 bit and I'd be interested to see if the 40D really would produce smoother tonal transitions approaching say an Aptus or H1D.
Would the bigger sensor or 14 vs 12 bits have more to do with that? |
Its probably just that Digic III has a 14 bit ADC. The real question is how many of those bits contain useful information? Canon could put a 64 bit ADC there, but if the noise from the sensor is high enough, only the "n" most significant bits would matter, the others would tell you exactly how much noise was on that pixel at that time :-)
The photosites are supposed to be as big as the ones on the 8MP chip, its just that they are closer together.
So closer photosites means more noise (smaller microlenses, more induced noise from the chip) but newer process means less noise. Also, the more pixels there are, the smaller each displayed "bit of noise" is, so even without correction the picture may look smoother (kind of like finer grain film).
Message edited by author 2007-08-21 13:14:04. |
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08/21/2007 01:43:36 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Canon Canada has extended their lens and body rebates until Sept 3.
30D has a $150 rebate
5D has a $350 rebate |
Pardon my rebate-ignorance. Does this mean that Sept 4 the price will drop by $150/$350, and there will be no more rebate to deal with? Or something else?
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08/21/2007 01:45:19 PM · #44 |
Does the photo in my signature intimidate and freighten? I know it scares me.
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08/21/2007 02:19:41 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Does the photo in my signature intimidate and freighten? I know it scares me. |
Just when it is 10x longer than the text that you post. |
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08/21/2007 02:22:16 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Does the photo in my signature intimidate and freighten? I know it scares me. |
Just when it is 10x longer than the text that you post. |
That's so annoying, isn't it? ;-)
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08/21/2007 04:54:39 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by Atropos:
Live View with a fixed screen. Pretty useless. |
Man, your incessant Canon-bashing is starting to bug me... and I don't even shoot Canon! Maybe if you diverted a little bit of your creative energy into your photography, someone with a D40 would actually have a ribbon here... |
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08/21/2007 04:58:48 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by option:
Originally posted by Atropos:
Live View with a fixed screen. Pretty useless. |
Man, your incessant Canon-bashing is starting to bug me... and I don't even shoot Canon! Maybe if you diverted a little bit of your creative energy into your photography, someone with a D40 would actually have a ribbon here... |
Actually, I think in this regard he has a point. Why would you want Live View on a fixed screen? I'm not going to start taking pictures with my dSLR at arm's length...
Message edited by author 2007-08-21 16:59:03.
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08/21/2007 05:05:22 PM · #49 |
"For the studio environment, remote Live View lets the photographer compose, adjust settings and capture the shot from a PC using the supplied EOS utility software."
You don't have to strictly use the screen on the camera. I have already begun thinking about possible remote applications using live view with wildlife photography. There really are some possibilities that might make it a little better than "useless". |
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08/21/2007 05:07:33 PM · #50 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Actually, I think in this regard he has a point. Why would you want Live View on a fixed screen? I'm not going to start taking pictures with my dSLR at arm's length... |
Well, displays have a pretty wide viewing angle these days... It could also be fairly useful for candids, as most people wouldnt expect an SLR to be taking photos if the photog wasnt looking through the VF.
At any rate, it may not be a key feature, but it certainly cant cost much to implement. |
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