DQ - why wouldn't you request one?

08/14/2007 04:48:00 PM · #51

I'm sorry to the OP but this thread was recently brought to my attention and it seems to have gotten off topic a little but I as the photographer of the well discussed bird shot feel the need to comment here.

Eschalar did PM me first and as I didn't agree with his opinion and was quite proud of my shot I did provide him with the original sort of as a challenge in itself...... (okay go ahead show me...). My shot was done completely within the ruleset and I actually felt even complimented that he couldn't get the same results (though as he stated was not attempted).

I feel he went too far by posting his edit in the thread of the photo. I was very very careful in all my responses to him in that thread as well as in my pm responses. I really wanted to say much more that wasn't so nice but cautiously chose my wording. Instead I "vented" to my dpl teammates in our private thread which is why they have come to my defense in this thread. You may also notice that a very high percentage of comments left on my shots get checked as helpful but one of his was not checked as my nice way to let it go. In PM's after that he persistantly wanted me to defend the shot as to why it was not dnmc and I didn't respond at all because I truly wanted to say some -not so nice- things and chose instead to just drop it and let it go. Apparently he is still unwilling to let it go and I really don't get his obsession with my shot but I will answer him here once and REQUEST nicely that if he feels the need to comment further then he can begin his own thread on the topic of my shot.

As for how I feel it meets the challenge... The shot was taken at the zoo after a performance by this and other birds to educate people and the handlers were standing in front of a stage which held a sign. The shot I entered had that sign in the bg and several other shots I took that day did not. I felt that the one with that sign because of the color compared to the others with a darker bg really made this beautiful bird pop BECAUSE of the bg. And since the bird takes up about 1/4th of the entire shot I.... not my teammates..... "I" felt that it met the challenge both quantitatively and qualitatively (if that's a word). The editing (which was entirely within the ruleset by the way) was done with that sole purpose in mind - to use the color to create the pop and thus the wow of the bird in this shot. I believe that is exactly what the challenge was calling for if I'm not mistaken. In your previous post here you stated (and it reads as if you are stating fact and not an opinion) that... and I quote "there is nothing about the NS in that image that creates the wow. It is there, true, but the wow of the image comes from the bird." I submit to you that IN MY OPINION the wow of the bird comes from the way the bg/ns makes it pop.

As far as your comments about dpl and putting my teammates and the entire dpl down because you think they "chose" (your words not mine) that shot. Although I respect and admire my teammates in the dpl I am my own person and have my own opinions and make my own choices. I had a few shots that I thought fit the challenge and I posted those options and asked my teammates what they thought. They advised me which one they liked best and >>>>>> I <<<<<< chose which shot to enter. I pretty much already knew which one I was going to use but wanted confirmation and got it. I think you might be able to learn a few things if you joined a team who could help you grow instead of being jealous and obsessing on other peoples shots.

Now with respect to

CEJ, the OP, and an attempt to get things back on track here I will say that I have wondered about how someone got their results during a challenge before but if it isn't something quite obvious then I do one of two things.... I vote as if it were legally accomplished or I pass it up. I don't vote down because I can't figure out how someone accomplished something. Oh.... and I don't get obsessed about it afterward either....

CEJ

Canon EF-S 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6 IS

08/14/2007 06:57:47 PM · #52

Sheryll...I want to thank you for your post in the thread. As I believe you saw my post near the end, after such a thoughtful post by you, I felt I owe you an apology of sorts.

I honestly was not aware of the controversy around your shot, even if of limited scope. I did not vote on or view all of those challenge entries. I do apologize for the direction the thread took with the spotlight on your image. Personally, I feel it is a beautiful image. But the thread went way beyond what I had sought to get feedback on at your expense. I had no specific image or comment in mind when I created this thread and thought I had made that clear.

Canon EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM

08/14/2007 11:57:49 PM · #53

apology not necesary at all.... you're absolutely right that it got off course.... (sent you a pm though).

eschelar

Canon EOS-7D

08/15/2007 09:26:25 AM · #54

Interesting. I was pretty sure I only sent you like two or three PM's. One to offer to put my money where my mouth is regarding the original and a re-edit, one to inform you that I posted the edits and maybe one other?

Whatever. I already told you that if you wanted the pics removed that I would do so WHEN I POSTED THE EDITS. I told you that in the PM regarding having posted the edited versions.

Why you didn't just tell me so in the first place is a little confusing. I will remove the edits as per your current request.

If you don't tell me that what I have posted is bothering you, then what can I possibly do about it? Otherwise, I simply carry on with my impression that you had no problem with our exchange. I had no reason to believe that you were offended until now. Leaving a comment marked unhelpful doesn't say as much as a simply PM saying 'hey, I'm feeling a bit uncomfortable with this - can you turn back down a notch?'.

I'm hardly obsessed with your shot, i mentioned it without direct reference in this thread and it was jumped upon by JawnyRico and turned back into him pointing fingers at me. He doesn't even appear to be on your DPL team. How is he privy to the details? weird. Anyways, I do appreciate the suggestion that I can post something about a photo leaving it nameless, then be jumped on by JawnyRico and whoever else, but somehow not have a right to respond without being called 'obsessive'. Great stuff.

Regarding the pics, I think we agreed to disagree a long time ago. No problems there.

Message edited by author 2007-08-15 09:34:44.

08/15/2007 12:12:55 PM · #55

Originally posted by Sheryll:

Apparently he is still unwilling to let it go... ...and REQUEST nicely that if he feels the need to comment further then he can begin his own thread on the topic of my shot.

I guess you didn't read this part?

edit to add.... dpl teams (team 5.0 - my team - is #61). Jawny helped me the most by suggesting ways to edit my shot which is why he has an interest in this. And I didn't ask you to remove your edits because I felt it was helpful in showing that you didn't improve on the shot at all and you didn't put your "money where your mouth was". They spoke for themselves.

Message edited by author 2007-08-15 12:21:06.

cpanaioti

Canon EF 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 DO IS USM

08/15/2007 12:52:56 PM · #56

Let everyone discussing Sheryll's shot take it to another thread and get this one back on topic.

DQ - why wouldn't you request one?

BTW, it's not a request for DQ, it's a request for validation. A DQ is the result of a failed validation.

Bugzeye

Fisher Price Kid-Tough Digital

08/15/2007 12:59:33 PM · #57

Because I do not look good in Pink Stripes.

RayEthier

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 USM

08/15/2007 01:45:32 PM · #58

Originally posted by Sheryll:

...Jawny helped me the most by suggesting ways to edit my shot which is why he has an interest in this.

Perhaps, but surely you realize that there exists a quantum leap between having an interest in something and casting aspersions on someone, which is exactly what he did.

Ray

08/15/2007 01:57:43 PM · #59

Originally posted by cpanaioti:

Yes please!!

CEJ

Canon EF-S 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6 IS

08/22/2007 10:38:35 AM · #60

Oh, sorry for the terminology.

So I guess someone took the request to heart. I am confused though. This is the 4th validation request I have received in the 80 some challenges I have entered. The first two were during the challenges. However the last two were more than a week after the challenge had ended. What confuses me about both of them is on the first one I had all the details of the shot - editing, set-up, etc. and even had a pic of the set-up in the pic details. That made no sense to me unless someone thought I was lying. The second happened yesterday and again more than a week after the challenge had ended and again all the details were in the pic description. So why is there a validation request made? Again, does someone think I am lying or something? Also, on the second it really baffles me as the shot did extremely poorly (what I expected).

I don't mind a 'VR' at all. The last two just don't make any sense to me is all.

Canon EOS-20D

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

08/22/2007 10:58:19 AM · #61

Your most recent image was initially sent through the validation process because there were a few questions about it and some of the SC voted to add a validation stamp to it. It looks like it didn't get enough votes to push it through the remainder of the process until recently but I'm not really sure why there was follow-up so late in the game. I think we can attribute that one to SC error.

I don't know what other image you're talking about without going through them all but images do sometimes get kicked through the queue after the challenge ends and we do sometimes request proof even when the details are posted. Neither necessarily means we think you're lying.

CEJ