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 08/10/2007 01:45:03 PM · #26
Originally posted by karmat:
... I've learned that whatever is said is an opinion, whether it is phrased as such or not. :)

And that's the absolute truth. ;-)
 08/10/2007 01:46:37 PM · #27
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Now, can this thread get back on topic and drop the finger pointing?


Hmmm What must that be like? A thread on topic AND no finger pointing would be like Christmas came early!
 08/10/2007 01:48:23 PM · #28
In street photography one photo really bothered me whether it was legal or not. Did not want to request validation. So I am bad. I did not vote on that one image. Left it to the masses.
 08/10/2007 02:08:39 PM · #29
Originally posted by Chinabun:
Not defending the "ass" comment, i'll keep those to myself but you dont know what was said on that image.

I'm sorry for yet another diversion, but now I feel I need to defend myself.

I looked at the comments before I ever posted (it was pretty easy to look at his comments to find the relevant photo, then read all the comments on that photo); that's how I knew what to say about them. And I stand by what I said.

Anyway ...

Message edited by author 2007-08-10 14:20:05.
 08/10/2007 02:11:38 PM · #30
Originally posted by idnic:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Now, can this thread get back on topic and drop the finger pointing?

Hmmm What must that be like? A thread on topic AND no finger pointing would be like Christmas came early!

Oh, that would be sweet (early Christmas)...I really want a new Sony DSLR, I think. The prototype looks cool. :)

As for requesting a validation on a challenge entry, sure, no problem. On average probably one per challenge. Do I comment regarding my inquiries. No, not directly, although I may remark that I find a certain part/detail of the photo "interesting". Vote-wise, it gets whatever vote I would give it regardless of my observation and validation request.
 08/10/2007 02:20:22 PM · #31
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by Chinabun:
... He was personally attcking her and her image.

Originally posted by levyj413:
That's right, it does. This is a photograph exchange, comment, and voting site. Not a personal criticism site. You post a photo, you invite comments. Eschelar's thoughts were comments on the photo, nothing more. If you read criticism as an attack, then you're not going to be happy on DPC. Now, he could have phrased them a little more considerately and in a way that showed he understands they're his opinions, not absolute truths.

Ok. Here is it ==>

Make your own conclusions. Now, can this thread get back on topic and drop the finger pointing?


I don't see any attack of the image in there at all (and I read through all the comments). What was provided was constructive criticism which the photographer replied to. All done in a very civilized manner.

to the topic: I would make a validation request if I suspected a rules violation. I'd even do this after the challenge was over if there was something that didn't seem right.

Message edited by author 2007-08-10 14:21:25.
 08/10/2007 04:54:54 PM · #32
There were a lot of comments removed from the SC, as they should have been. On my part and his. And he went back after everyone called him out on it and rephrased his wording. I am done commenting on that shot. All it does is upset me that I came to DPC to learn and enjoy photography, but all I ever seem to read is people complaining about pics DNMC or aren't good enough for them instead of trying to give them help to improve the picture. Just take the thread about Spizzer's Humming Bird shot, "personal triumph does not mean triumph" someone said. So DNMC... It was the best picture, won and that was that.... Why make a crying thread over it. Are we in 2nd grade where jealousy controls our feelings and totally takes over to where we can't congratulate a person and move on to the next challenge? Whats DPC coming to.........The End... Edit to correct my horrible spelling. :)

Originally posted by cpanaioti:


I don't see any attack of the image in there at all (and I read through all the comments). What was provided was constructive criticism which the photographer replied to. All done in a very civilized manner.

to the topic: I would make a validation request if I suspected a rules violation. I'd even do this after the challenge was over if there was something that didn't seem right.


Message edited by author 2007-08-10 16:55:47.
 08/10/2007 05:19:33 PM · #33
Originally posted by JawnyRico:
There were a lot of comments removed from the SC, as they should have been. On my part and his. And he went back after everyone called him out on it and rephrased his wording. I am done commenting on that shot. All it does is upset me that I came to DPC to learn and enjoy photography, but all I ever seem to read is people complaining about pics DNMC or aren't good enough for them instead of trying to give them help to improve the picture. Just take the thread about Spizzer's Humming Bird shot, "personal triumph does not mean triumph" someone said. So DNMC... It was the best picture, won and that was that.... Why make a crying thread over it. Are we in 2nd grade where jealousy controls our feelings and totally takes over to where we can't congratulate a person and move on to the next challenge? Whats DPC coming to.........The End... Edit to correct my horrible spelling. :)

Originally posted by cpanaioti:


I don't see any attack of the image in there at all (and I read through all the comments). What was provided was constructive criticism which the photographer replied to. All done in a very civilized manner.

to the topic: I would make a validation request if I suspected a rules violation. I'd even do this after the challenge was over if there was something that didn't seem right.


Okee dokee

I guess I've seen to many situations where someone indicated rudeness where only constructive criticism existed.

... nuf said on this one, there will always be differing tastes and opinions, just express them in a respectful manner.

K, ;o)

Message edited by author 2007-08-10 17:19:51.
 08/10/2007 05:33:29 PM · #34
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
... nuf said on this one, there will always be differing tastes and opinions, just express them in a respectful manner.

K, ;o)

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 08/10/2007 05:37:35 PM · #35
Don't make JawnyRico mad.....



08/10/2007 05:46:31 PM · #36
Is there a way to find out who asked for validation of our photo?

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 08/10/2007 05:52:35 PM · #37
Originally posted by lesgainous:
Is there a way to find out who asked for validation of our photo?

No.
 08/10/2007 06:13:53 PM · #38
all of our shots were personal triumphs werent they? lol,thinking wrong post...


Message edited by author 2007-08-10 21:45:02.
 08/10/2007 06:31:24 PM · #39
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by lesgainous:
Is there a way to find out who asked for validation of our photo?

No.

There you go. There should be no reason to not request validation.

.
 08/10/2007 06:45:02 PM · #40
When I see an image that I feel has broken the rules I make the request for validation and then I skip voting and commenting on it.

One quick question. Does the SC get annoyed with us Rules Freaks when we submit a bunch of pictures for validation? (Obviously if you do this to EVERY picture you'll get the DPC equivalent to a punch in the face...) I'm just curious because there were a couple of challenges I submitted a few (like 6)

Edit:spelling

Message edited by author 2007-08-10 18:45:28.
 08/10/2007 07:45:29 PM · #41
Originally posted by posthumous:
If I spend time worrying about whether a particular photo meets all the rules, then that time is spent away from considerations that are integral to my character (e.g., "do I like this photo? Why or why not?"). You will often find that oppressive societies encourage their citizens to act as police, to turn each other in. This not only terrorizes nonconformists, it also dissolves the informant's sense of himself and turns him into an agent of the state.

Your non-conformity is duly noted, catalogued, cross-referenced and filed. Keep your eyes open for the black car pulling up to your driveway.

Originally posted by idnic:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Now, can this thread get back on topic and drop the finger pointing?

Hmmm What must that be like? A thread on topic AND no finger pointing would be like Christmas came early!

08/10/2007 07:56:15 PM · #42
I do click the button. I vote as if it's legal as the rules tell me.
 08/10/2007 09:35:24 PM · #43
Originally posted by Citadel:
When I see an image that I feel has broken the rules I make the request for validation and then I skip voting and commenting on it.

One quick question. Does the SC get annoyed with us Rules Freaks when we submit a bunch of pictures for validation? (Obviously if you do this to EVERY picture you'll get the DPC equivalent to a punch in the face...) I'm just curious because there were a couple of challenges I submitted a few (like 6)

Edit:spelling


Not really, no. We would rather you request validation/dq and let us investigate rather than sitting on it and it be illegal in some way.
 08/10/2007 10:43:03 PM · #44
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Your non-conformity is duly noted, catalogued, cross-referenced and filed. Keep your eyes open for the black car pulling up to your driveway.


I hear it's best if you go quietly. Otherwise, the outcome tends to be ... unpleasant.
 08/10/2007 11:01:55 PM · #45
Originally posted by levyj413:
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Your non-conformity is duly noted, catalogued, cross-referenced and filed. Keep your eyes open for the black car pulling up to your driveway.


I hear it's best if you go quietly. Otherwise, the outcome tends to be ... unpleasant.


I'm already gone. I'm in Canada, sleeping in bucket's darkroom. He won't mind.
 08/11/2007 02:33:55 AM · #46
Originally posted by eschelar:
Recently, I came across a top ten shot which bothered me as I felt it was blatantly DNMC and I that I additionally felt was badly processed. I was surprised that it had come in so high, so I had a go at re-editing it with permission from the shooter. I was unable to obtain the same type of results with basic editing rules editing (although with advanced, I could have done it in about 30 seconds). I strongly considered pushing the validate button but chose not to. My processing goals were different, so in a way, I was also trying to have my cake and eat it too with the editing.


Yeah, I know that DNMC does not equal DQ. I never considered pushing the button until after I had a go at the processing from the original. I didn't find the same results because I had different goals in processing, but I did think it was a little odd that certain parts of the image looked quite a bit sharper as if a mask had been applied or something. I didn't go any further with it either in processing (to try to duplicate the results) or in pressing the button because I felt nothing would be gained by it. A bunch of time could have been spent messing around with USM and whatnot for nothing. Hence no press of the DQ button.

Originally posted by JawnyRico:
There were a lot of comments removed from the SC, as they should have been. On my part and his. And he went back after everyone called him out on it and rephrased his wording. I am done commenting on that shot. All it does is upset me that I came to DPC to learn and enjoy photography, but all I ever seem to read is people complaining about pics DNMC or aren't good enough for them instead of trying to give them help to improve the picture. Just take the thread about Spizzer's Humming Bird shot, "personal triumph does not mean triumph" someone said. So DNMC... It was the best picture, won and that was that.... Why make a crying thread over it. Are we in 2nd grade where jealousy controls our feelings and totally takes over to where we can't congratulate a person and move on to the next challenge? Whats DPC coming to.........The End... Edit to correct my horrible spelling. :)


Jawny, from what I have seen, the only comment that was removed was your own calling me names. None of my comments were removed or edited by the SC. After your comment was removed, I edited my comment to remove my reference to what you said and add that any futher discussion by yourself or others who disagreed should move to the forums.

Initially, I contacted her privately and had a go myself. I thought it fair to put my variations there for anyone else to see. I reported my own comments to the SC because I do not feel that any of that was a personal attack, nor did the person who took the picture. It was merely a difference of opinion over a single pic.

I was not the only one who noticed that the pic was DNMC if you read the other comments. Not one comment was made regarding the contribution of negative space. At least one other comment mentions the lack of any specific use of Negative space. Moreover, when I was reviewing the top and bottom 20 (as is my custom for each contest if I have time), another photographer who was with me at the time noticed the exact same thing as me quite independently.

On the other hand, you have repeatedly brought up my own skills and my own pictures with personal attacks heavily laced. Please try to control yourself and remember that people do have lives, do things, take pictures and such outside of DPC too.
 08/11/2007 03:08:31 AM · #47
Originally posted by JawnyRico:
You are the biggest hypocrite I have ever seen. First of all that shot you are talking about was incredible and a very rare shot. Your argument was that a top 10 shot DNMC. Yet everyone else thought it was incredible, then you left nasty comments on the shot. You frankly didn't like the shot, it wasn't that you thought it was not basic editing. I read every comment you made and it was very rude to that person. Curves, USM, and Color Balance are ALL LEGAL in basic editing. Leaving a comment like you did on the picture and not emailing the person in my eyes makes you out to be an ass....


hrmm. I wonder if it is fair for me to respond to this?

Ok, let's see.

The challenge was not "Incredible and Very Rare Bird Shots". The challenge was NEGATIVE SPACE - Use negative space to create the 'wow' of your image.

I did not think the shot was suited to that. (at least one other comment supports this)

Additionally, I thought the processing was overdone and unpleasant, having caused unnecessary graininess in the BG. (also supported by other comments)

I decided to put my money where my mouth was and have a go at editing it. I contacted the original photographer via PM (at the same time of my first comment) and was provided with an original to work with.

I did so. I stayed within Basic Editing rules and couldn't say for sure that anything I got was any better, although I personally felt that the overprocessing issue was addressed in my variants. I therefore posted what I came up with to provide some context. The comments were public, so I felt that making the pics public was suitable.

I did not suggest that curves, USM and other things were illegal in basic anywhere.

I further disliked another aspect of the shot and that was that this shot had been chosen by DPL teammates when it was quite clearly a bird shot in a Negative Space challenge. Don't like the challenge description? That's what the Free Study is for.

Originally posted by JR:
Leaving a comment like you did on the picture and not emailing the person in my eyes makes you out to be an ass....


Ok, quite early on, I posted re-edits from the original. Which could only have been provided by photographer. Requested with the use of the PM tool. Which you would have no idea if I had used or not.

So what does it make you out to be to have flared up like you did about me not having emailed someone when it is completely obvious that I must have contacted the OP at some point to obtain the originals?
 08/11/2007 10:03:37 PM · #48
Hmm...sorry I started this thread. It seems to have gone way off course.
 08/11/2007 11:59:41 PM · #49
Originally posted by eschelar:
I further disliked another aspect of the shot and that was that this shot had been chosen by DPL teammates when it was quite clearly a bird shot in a Negative Space challenge. Don't like the challenge description? That's what the Free Study is for.


I don't understand that at all. A bird is not a valid subject for composing images that use negative space for impact? That's crazy! Is a flower OK? A wine glass? C'mon! You're saying, I guess, that "this is a bird-shot-that-uses-negative-space, not a negative-space-shot-using-a-bird-as-its-positive-subject"? Isn't that an awfully fine line to draw for making a DNMC judgment? I can see hammering it if it was ALL bird, but there IS quite a bit of negative space in the image and it is a strong, even dominant element of the composition, so surely you'd concede the image "approximately" meets the challenge, right?

And the voters, of course, collectively feel it meets the challenge, which in the end is what matters. Sometimes they can be flaky (the hummingbird in "Triumph", THAT one I can understand the mixed reactions), But as far as I am concerned the voters are right on this one; the bird's head image clearly meets the challenge IMO.

R.
 08/12/2007 04:36:19 AM · #50
I was referring to the statement that the picture ought to USE negative space to create the WOW of the image. There is nothing about the NS in that image that creates the wow. It is there, true, but the wow of the image comes from the bird. The challenge states that one must use negative space to create the wow. Not just take a picture of something neat. The picture is essentially the same regardless of how much negative space is present in the pic, therefore I felt that the pic, while it CONTAINED negative space, did not USE negative space. It stands out quite dramatically if viewed in context with the other 29 pics in the top 30.

The subject is a bird. True, the subject could be anything, but the bird is not significantly related in any way to the negative space of the image or impacted by it. It's a background with a generous crop. Hence my comment.

I would concede that because there exists a lot of negative space that the pic "almost" meets the challenge.

Anyways. That's just how I feel. You like the use of NS in that image, great. Point was that while I was editing it, I didn't push the button because I didn't see that any benefit would come of it.
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