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11/12/2007 07:51:50 PM · #76 |
Originally posted by routerguy666:
I'm sure someone would volunteer to run WPL. |
Hey, thanks for volunteering! When do we sign up?
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11/12/2007 08:28:43 PM · #77 |
Originally posted by levyj413:
Originally posted by routerguy666:
I'm sure someone would volunteer to run WPL. |
Hey, thanks for volunteering! When do we sign up? |
Make challenge results and user data available as XML or RSS feed, Web service or something and the rest woud be simple.
Levyj43 and other that seem so annoyed, are any of you somehow involved in the DPL development process or are you just being cheeleaders? |
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11/12/2007 09:06:50 PM · #78 |
Originally posted by Hauxon:
Well what's the unsolvable problem? Like Yanko said WPL was quite simple, what parts are making the complications?
Best, Hrannar |
Mainly, we are considering some revisions to the rules, the need for which became apparent during the running of DPL1.
It would be kind of stupid to run a season-based competition and change the rules part-way through. These are not simple "problems" to solve, but until they are solved, it seems pointless to start up a new season. |
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11/12/2007 09:10:00 PM · #79 |
Hmmm ... I just noticed I gave the same (correct) answer a few weeks ago ...
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by krafty1:
How about an update for the huddled masses yearning to compete free? |
My opinion is that it's being held up because some recent issues have required us to look at some possible modifications or clarifications to the rules -- it wouldn't be a good idea to do that mid-season. |
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11/12/2007 09:10:19 PM · #80 |
This sounds smart and logical. Additional clarification and simplification to the rules sets would be appreciated. I am happy to wait until this is all sorted out (as long it is by this coming weekend...LOL)
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Hauxon:
Well what's the unsolvable problem? Like Yanko said WPL was quite simple, what parts are making the complications?
Best, Hrannar |
Mainly, we are considering some revisions to the rules, the need for which became apparent during the running of DPL1.
It would be kind of stupid to run a season-based competition and change the rules part-way through. These are not simple "problems" to solve, but until they are solved, it seems pointless to start up a new season. |
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11/12/2007 09:13:22 PM · #81 |
Originally posted by bassbone:
I am happy to wait until this is all sorted out (as long it is by this coming weekend...LOL) |
That's the spirit! I'm sure it will all be sorted out mañana, at least in the figurative sense of the word ... ;-) |
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11/12/2007 09:32:20 PM · #82 |
You know, I have to wonder how many people are sitting in the wings having thoughts similar to what  Hauxon has put into words? My first reaction was "yikes, that took some gonads to say" and initially thought it was a bit strong as well. I also realize that English may not be his first language and the message could have come across stronger than intended.
Anyway...
The DPL was/is extremely popular. In record time 75 teams were generated, with over 500 people actively seeking participation. Even as this is discussed the Free Agent list has grown to 177 people looking for a team.
Is there anyplace on DPC to get information on the current status of the DPL other than this thread? There are results of Season 1 still lingering in the left side of the DPC homepage. How about adding a link to that area that points to a locked administration forum thread with the status of DPL2? Or, even a link to this thread.
When I was in retail management there was a saying that for every single complaint that was voiced there were many more left unmentioned. The trick to being successful was making sure those unheard complaints were considered and addressed.
I would wager that Hauxon is not alone with the sentiments he expressed.
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11/12/2007 09:39:41 PM · #83 |
Originally posted by Hauxon:
Levyj43 and other that seem so annoyed, are any of you somehow involved in the DPL development process or are you just being cheeleaders? |
Smells like used pompoms to me... |
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11/12/2007 09:43:18 PM · #84 |
Originally posted by Hauxon:
Levyj43 and other that seem so annoyed, are any of you somehow involved in the DPL development process or are you just being cheeleaders? |
Nope. I'm just a regular member. However, I also know that:
1) The SC is a bunch of volunteers who dedicate a rather large amount of time to keeping DPC running
2) People who complain that things are simple often lack knowledge of the complexities
3) If it really were simple, it would've been done by now
Note, though, that I also agree with what glad2badad just posted about the SC keeping us more up to date with what's going on. I do think more communication would be better.
So I'm not quite a cheerleader (although I don't see the problem with being one), but rather someone who trusts the SC and Langdon to do it right, and who thinks it's hardly a shame or an embarassment that they're taking their time.
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11/12/2007 09:45:00 PM · #85 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
You know, I have to wonder how many people are sitting in the wings having thoughts similar to what Hauxon has put into words? My first reaction was "yikes, that took some gonads to say" and initially thought it was a bit strong as well. I also realize that English may not be his first language and the message could have come across stronger than intended.
Anyway...
The DPL was/is extremely popular. In record time 75 teams were generated, with over 500 people actively seeking participation. Even as this is discussed the Free Agent list has grown to 177 people looking for a team.
Is there anyplace on DPC to get information on the current status of the DPL other than this thread? There are results of Season 1 still lingering in the left side of the DPC homepage. How about adding a link to that area that points to a locked administration forum thread with the status of DPL2? Or, even a link to this thread.
When I was in retail management there was a saying that for every single complaint that was voiced there were many more left unmentioned. The trick to being successful was making sure those unheard complaints were considered and addressed.
I would wager that Hauxon is not alone with the sentiments he expressed. |
Yeah what Dad said! :-)
I sure am itchen for the new season. |
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11/12/2007 09:46:29 PM · #86 |
Originally posted by Hauxon:
Well what's the unsolvable problem? Like Yanko said WPL was quite simple, what parts are making the complications? |
I actually think this is a reasonable question. I don't pretend to be able to fix whatever issues exist, but it might help for the SC to explain what's being discussed, if only to give those of us who are eager for DPL 2 something to chew on.
Edited to add: I would imagine that one of the issues to be addressed is the effect on non-participants. There were concerns about team voting with the WPL (which were pretty much laid to rest with only one ugly exception), but I don't remember people complaining about huge increases in challenge entries, feeling completely left out of most of DPC's "life" if you weren't in the WPL, etc. I did see those sentiments posted during DPL 1. So it's not just a matter of repeating the WPL as a competitive league, but also putting some serious thought into how the DPL integrates into DPC as a whole.
Message edited by author 2007-11-12 21:49:09.
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11/12/2007 09:48:10 PM · #87 |
Originally posted by levyj413:
Note, though, that I also agree with what glad2badad just posted about the SC keeping us more up to date with what's going on. I do think more communication would be better.
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You all know exactly what we know.
We do not know the start date.
We do not know an approximate start date.
It has not been discussed, yet.
All of these answers have been given several times over the past several weeks. When something changes, you will know.
We are reviewing/revising the rules (not just dpl rules, all the rules), etc to so that it (the site and dpl) runs smoother and addresses some of the grievances several had about the first dpl.
My unofficial opinion is if you want an unofficial "league" play, set one up like scott did in the beginning. I'm sure he can advise you of the pitfalls so you can avoid them. |
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11/12/2007 09:55:16 PM · #88 |
Originally posted by levyj413:
Originally posted by Hauxon:
Well what's the unsolvable problem? Like Yanko said WPL was quite simple, what parts are making the complications? |
I actually think this is a reasonable question. I don't pretend to be able to fix whatever issues exist, but it might help for the SC to explain what's being discussed, if only to give those of us who are eager for DPL 2 something to chew on.
Edited to add: I would imagine that one of the issues to be addressed is the effect on non-participants. There were concerns about team voting with the WPL (which were pretty much laid to rest with only one ugly exception), but I don't remember people complaining about huge increases in challenge entries, feeling completely left out of most of DPC's "life" if you weren't in the WPL, etc. I did see those sentiments posted during DPL 1. So it's not just a matter of repeating the WPL as a competitive league, but also putting some serious thought into how the DPL integrates into DPC as a whole. |
We are discussing the issues raised here, here, here, here, here, and of course this one :).
And of course, taking in all the data, etc. from this
saw the edit as I was previewing my post. the effect on non-dpl dpc is definitely something we are trying to minimize |
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11/12/2007 10:02:51 PM · #89 |
But Karma, we don't care. We want it now now NOW!!!! :))))
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11/12/2007 10:03:47 PM · #90 |
Originally posted by yanko:
But Karma, we don't care. We want it now now NOW!!!! :)))) |
:) |
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11/12/2007 10:05:17 PM · #91 |
Originally posted by karmat:
You all know exactly what we know.
All of these answers have been given several times over the past several weeks. When something changes, you will know.
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Yes, but Karma, we don't know that we know until we're told or unless we happen to run into a relevant thread. Unfortunately, DPC's forum structure means that once an SC posts like you did, that thread tends to die quietly and vanish from the home page, leaving it open for someone else to start yet another thread asking what's up. Rinse and repeat.
I think Barry's suggestion of a permanent thread that only SC can post to, with regular updates, would really help. A weekly statement of "no progress so far on the issues listed in the first post" would at least tell us nothing's happened recently.
A lack of information isn't the same as explicitly stating there's nothing new, and repeatedly saying nothing's new in ways that disappear quickly isn't the same as putting it in one place and pointing everyone there.
Message edited by author 2007-11-12 22:06:30.
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11/12/2007 11:05:01 PM · #92 |
I'm gonna pop in and be optimistic. A lot of people got burned out during last season of DPL. The longer we wait and the more we anticipate it, the less likely we are to get burned out on it again and the more fun that it will be. I too am really looking forward to the start of it, but I see that the SC has some kinks to work out before the next season and I'm cool with that.
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11/12/2007 11:49:57 PM · #93 |
I'm looking forward to the new season too.. Whenever it gets here.. I'm 6 months pregnant though and need for the season to start sooner rather then later so I can be sure to participate fully.. I know once this baby arrives there's no way I can play in the DPL, have a 17 month old and a newborn all at the same time..
So, no pressure anyone !!! :-) |
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11/12/2007 11:51:19 PM · #94 |
I'm ready for another season! Why not start in January? :-)
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11/12/2007 11:56:01 PM · #95 |
| As a DPL team captain, it's frustrating to try to hold together a loosely associated team during an extending and ambiguous off-season. We had a good international relationship building thing going, until the season ended. Now, we are individuals once again, without a common goal. It's okay to delay the start of the next season, until the wrinkles are ironed out. But, it's not okay to not communicate with members. I have a sense of some intangibles being lost in this vague interim time period. While I strongly support the SC in their efforts to get things right for the next season, I do not appreciate the lack of communication and absence of indication of schedule and timing. Please, just make a decision as to whether it's next month or next summer or after Armageddon. Then, we can reset our expectations! |
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11/13/2007 01:52:16 AM · #96 |
Originally posted by levyj413:
So it's not just a matter of repeating the WPL as a competitive league, but also putting some serious thought into how the DPL integrates into DPC as a whole. |
I think this is the key. "How the DPL intergrates into DPC as a whole." = not running it at all.
Originally posted by Karmat:
We do not know the start date.
We do not know an approximate start date.
It has not been discussed, yet.
....bla bla bla ....
My unofficial opinion is if you want an unofficial "league" play, set one up like scott did in the beginning. I'm sure he can advise you of the pitfalls so you can avoid them. |
To me it looks like the idea is to put DPL to sleep. Months have passed and they haven't even discussed approximate start date. Maybe the plan is to say "we're working on it" until everyone forgets about it. The reason for me being harsh is just to pull some answers out of people. I don't like being lied to. If the idea is to end the WPL/DPL thing the most honest thing is to tell the truth.
Cheers!
Hrannar
Message edited by author 2007-11-13 01:52:50. |
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11/13/2007 07:59:46 AM · #97 |
Alright,
As OP on this thread. I first want to say lets keep everything civil. There is no need to beat up on any of the SC. Remember these people do what they do for us on a daily basis and volunteer their time to keep DPC running as a website and this is a thankless job most of the time.
Please also understand that SC is given only so much information based upon their prior meeting and a need to know basis (I assume) and it will be Drew and Langdon that will make the final call as to when any new season (if any) happen.
As a captain of a DPL team I can also assure you I would like to see season 2 start as soon as possible. But being negative and confrontational like some of us are isnt going to help these things.
Request for civilty made last week
 karmat Has been very helpful to show us the threads where the issues can be found.
There is no use beating a dead horse and making anyone uncomfortable in a forum. Remember there is more to life than I virtual ribbon, these people have familys and jobs and I am sure that they are working on some really good improvements for both the DPL and the website as well. But it is hard with the limited time that they have together to implement these things.
I will add that a link on the homepage wouldnt be bad to keep people updated, but given time I think you will have a great time playing in DPL season 2.
Please lets be civil and lets have fun,
Rich
Message edited by author 2007-11-13 08:00:27. |
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11/13/2007 08:08:20 AM · #98 |
I love it. Frank talk is always cast as ill-mannered and any questioning of the status quo as ingratitude. Long live the forums.
If anyone wants to run WPL while DPL gets worked out, I can provide server space and bandwidth, just shoot me a PM. |
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11/13/2007 08:10:24 AM · #99 |
Originally posted by routerguy666:
I love it. Frank talk is always cast as ill-mannered and any questioning of the status quo as ingratitude. Long live the forums.
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I am not saying that it is ill mannered, I am just asking people not to shoot the messenger....
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11/13/2007 08:20:03 AM · #100 |
Originally posted by Hot_Pixel:
Originally posted by routerguy666:
I love it. Frank talk is always cast as ill-mannered and any questioning of the status quo as ingratitude. Long live the forums.
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I am not saying that it is ill mannered, I am just asking people not to shoot the messenger.... |
I missed it - was karmat called out or put down in some manner? I don't see it. A sense of frustration over the DPL delay has been put out there - but directed at no one specifically (except DPChallenge in general) as far as I can see.
Message edited by author 2007-11-13 08:21:46.
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