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08/09/2007 07:45:09 AM · #1
Hey everyone,

I know that Wpl #1 just finished and it probably to early to think about season #2 but I was wondering if there was any news about season 2 and how its going to be handled and the starting date of it. I had so much fun in season #1 and learnt alot, I really cant wait to start season #2.

Thanks to all who make it possible.

Rich
08/09/2007 10:57:30 AM · #2
40+ views on this thread and no bump?

Oh...I just did. :) Good question, I'm sure others are wondering as well.
08/09/2007 11:01:19 AM · #3
I was a little too busy to participate in the first WPL but things are looking up hopefully, and just added myself to the freeagent pool in hopes I can pick up a team for the next round :D

-dave
08/09/2007 04:14:45 PM · #4
The FAQ states:

9 - How many seasons will there be a year?
There’s a space of 1-2 weeks between seasons, to give teams time to change around and recover, so at most 3-4 seasons per year.

So that would put DPL2 starting August 27th?

edit: assuming 2 weeks between seasons and not 1.....

Message edited by author 2007-08-09 16:15:25.
08/09/2007 05:42:09 PM · #5
I didn`t realise season one had finished. So which team won, i can only see the 3 divisional champions.
I hope the seeding is done properly in the 2nd season, as in keep all the top teams apart.
08/09/2007 05:46:28 PM · #6
Originally posted by marbo:

I didn`t realise season one had finished. So which team won, i can only see the 3 divisional champions.

That's as far as it goes. Since the divisions were seeded, I guess you could consider the Division A champion as the overall top team for that season.
08/09/2007 05:51:40 PM · #7
AFAIK, no start date has been established, yet.
08/09/2007 05:52:30 PM · #8
Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by marbo:

I didn`t realise season one had finished. So which team won, i can only see the 3 divisional champions.

That's as far as it goes. Since the divisions were seeded, I guess you could consider the Division A champion as the overall top team for that season.


Oh i see. I thought the 3 of them were going to slug it out in a final battle. I liked the format of the original wpl better where it all boiled down to a grand final. And all the best teams were there at the end ;)

So if you say the division A champion is the overall winner then there was no point in having divisions b and c as they could never win.

Message edited by author 2007-08-09 18:01:30.
08/09/2007 06:23:03 PM · #9
I agree having a grand finale between the 3 teams would be a better idea
08/09/2007 06:31:03 PM · #10
WPL2 was ages ago... so I've updated the thread to the correct title of DPL2 ;o)

Message edited by author 2007-08-09 18:31:13.
08/09/2007 06:39:32 PM · #11
Originally posted by marbo:

So if you say the division A champion is the overall winner then there was no point in having divisions b and c as they could never win.


LOL, I don't care how you do it...The Division A Ribbon Hogs kicked the crap out of the competition...their 4 counting photos finished one/two...in 2 Challenges....having the 3 Divisions let each level of talent...compete among themselves...there wasn't anyone who could beat those guys head to head...that in itself made the A Division..winner a no brainer...I was glad the Buzzards were in DIvision B..at least we stayed competitive...into the 1st round of the playoffs...lol..if we were in A...we would have been "Out in 5 not even Alive"
08/09/2007 08:34:47 PM · #12
Originally posted by tfarrell23:

Originally posted by marbo:

So if you say the division A champion is the overall winner then there was no point in having divisions b and c as they could never win.


LOL, I don't care how you do it...The Division A Ribbon Hogs kicked the crap out of the competition...their 4 counting photos finished one/two...in 2 Challenges....having the 3 Divisions let each level of talent...compete among themselves...there wasn't anyone who could beat those guys head to head...that in itself made the A Division..winner a no brainer...I was glad the Buzzards were in DIvision B..at least we stayed competitive...into the 1st round of the playoffs...lol..if we were in A...we would have been "Out in 5 not even Alive"


But what is a win worth if its not against the best
08/09/2007 09:10:20 PM · #13
Originally posted by marbo:

So if you say the division A champion is the overall winner then there was no point in having divisions b and c as they could never win.

I believe the way it's supposed (going?) to work is that the top two teams in each "B" division will be promoted to the "A" division; likewise from "C" up to "B" ... the idea is that an initally low-seeded team can work its way up to the overall championship over the course of seasons.
08/09/2007 09:35:33 PM · #14
Do we really want another season where 4 of the top 5 highest scoring teams are kept out of the playoffs? I know the Hogs don't mind but it doesn't make for much competition when you don't have the best going against the best.

I say throw every team in the playoffs with the regular season to determine seeding. This way all teams have a shot at winning.
08/09/2007 09:39:14 PM · #15
Originally posted by yanko:

I say throw every team in the playoffs with the regular season to determine seeding. This way all teams have a shot at winning.


I think that is a bad idea, that would take all pressure off during the regular season as a team could just take it easy during the regular season, saving their creative energy for the playoffs and do upset after upset and win the whole thing after maybe having a 0-5 record after the regular season.

I do agree that a LOT more teams should make the playoffs, only the division winner making it is way too little, maybe the top 4 teams of each division should go forward to keep things interesting during the regular season?
08/09/2007 09:49:22 PM · #16
Originally posted by yanko:

Do we really want another season where 4 of the top 5 highest scoring teams are kept out of the playoffs? I know the Hogs don't mind but it doesn't make for much competition when you don't have the best going against the best.

I say throw every team in the playoffs with the regular season to determine seeding. This way all teams have a shot at winning.

They didn't have the best records though, is a win not a win in any given week, is not every sports standing not based on their win/loss record? Just because your teams wins with a higher average most weeks isn't the point to have a higher average versus the opponent each week, regardless of by how much?
I think some of these problems were the seeding but the whole thing is a tournament where you have to get out of your division after your team plays heads up against the others for the best record, your team average is just a tiebreaker. I hope rather than rush into another season, we can get some updates to the league, seeding, etc.
08/09/2007 09:57:00 PM · #17
Originally posted by Larus:



I do agree that a LOT more teams should make the playoffs, only the division winner making it is way too little, maybe the top 4 teams of each division should go forward to keep things interesting during the regular season?

Yeah more teams in the playoffs would be better I think too. Or top three teams in each conference. Then the first week the division champs get a bye, and all the wild card teams in all divisions are seeded by average and highest average vs. lowest average and 2nd hi vs. 2nd lo and on down the line. Then when down to 8 teams re-seed all remaining teams by average and go at it for the final championship run.
08/09/2007 10:20:55 PM · #18
Originally posted by jdannels:

Originally posted by yanko:

Do we really want another season where 4 of the top 5 highest scoring teams are kept out of the playoffs? I know the Hogs don't mind but it doesn't make for much competition when you don't have the best going against the best.

I say throw every team in the playoffs with the regular season to determine seeding. This way all teams have a shot at winning.

They didn't have the best records though, is a win not a win in any given week, is not every sports standing not based on their win/loss record? Just because your teams wins with a higher average most weeks isn't the point to have a higher average versus the opponent each week, regardless of by how much?
I think some of these problems were the seeding but the whole thing is a tournament where you have to get out of your division after your team plays heads up against the others for the best record, your team average is just a tiebreaker. I hope rather than rush into another season, we can get some updates to the league, seeding, etc.


A 5 game season simply is too small of a sample to determine who the best teams are in each division, hence half the divisions were won by teams that didn't lead their division in average. If the season was longer and the schedules more balanced this would never happen. You can't tell me Se7endipity's 1-4 record reflects a poor performance, when in reality they were better than every other division winner except of course the one in their division.

Message edited by author 2007-08-09 22:22:25.
08/09/2007 11:02:09 PM · #19
Originally posted by yanko:

A 5 game season simply is too small of a sample to determine who the best teams are in each division, hence half the divisions were won by teams that didn't lead their division in average.

I'd be fine with a double round-robin regular season, with each team playing each other team twice.

But, the whole point of this team head-to-head competetion is that the record is based on the weekly won/lost results, not the overall cumulative team average. Otherwise we wouldn't need the head-to-head competetions at all -- we could just see which team has the best average after a set number of weeks.
08/10/2007 01:37:17 AM · #20
Originally posted by Shadowi6:

But what is a win worth if its not against the best ?


First of all... the levels were set up the way they were for a reason..(to make a competitive environment)...we just happened to win the most in our division..by whatever means...talent, apathy, luck, PARTICIPATION) it came out that way...you can't lessen the facts that we won our division...no one can take that away..we played by the rules and won..as for playing against the best...we were....within our division THE BEST....playoffs proved we weren't the Best in the B Level....and the winners went on further... that is the name of the Game....it would be nice to have a longer format (10 matches)...and a better playoff (more teams, top two in each division) which means another round of playoffs...so...an 7-3 team could place second.. make the playoffs...and play the 1st Place winner of the opposite league (same level)...winner moves on to a Championship Round of that level...the Seeding or Levels.. were a GOOD thing...what needs work is the amount of matches and the playoff format... that is all..I don't think playing a team like the Ribbon Hogs would be much fun...we like being the Buzzards...we wanna keep the team together for DPL2...that is what the team format has accomplished with us..We are a Team...We are THE BUZZARDS...
08/10/2007 02:52:23 AM · #21
Originally posted by tfarrell23:

Originally posted by Shadowi6:

But what is a win worth if its not against the best ?


First of all... the levels were set up the way they were for a reason..(to make a competitive environment)...we just happened to win the most in our division..by whatever means...talent, apathy, luck, PARTICIPATION) it came out that way...you can't lessen the facts that we won our division...no one can take that away..we played by the rules and won..as for playing against the best...we were....within our division THE BEST....playoffs proved we weren't the Best in the B Level....and the winners went on further... that is the name of the Game....it would be nice to have a longer format (10 matches)...and a better playoff (more teams, top two in each division) which means another round of playoffs...so...an 7-3 team could place second.. make the playoffs...and play the 1st Place winner of the opposite league (same level)...winner moves on to a Championship Round of that level...the Seeding or Levels.. were a GOOD thing...what needs work is the amount of matches and the playoff format... that is all..I don't think playing a team like the Ribbon Hogs would be much fun...we like being the Buzzards...we wanna keep the team together for DPL2...that is what the team format has accomplished with us..We are a Team...We are THE BUZZARDS...


oooookaaaayyy, I think I got that, well if you dont want to be able to choose your team members and if you want every teams seed average to be the same then it will be a random thing to win. That is the only way we can break up any team that has an advantage over another.

We are agreed that the finish felt unsatisfiying and perhaps more playoffs are needed but for those that drop out early it would be a long wait.
08/10/2007 03:10:03 AM · #22
Originally posted by Shadowi6:

if you want every teams seed average to be the same then it will be a random thing to win.


Only random at the start...there are alot of things that can happen... that can change the outcome of a season...getting better at your craft...opportunity.....luck of the Challenge...that is where the competition comes in...you wouldn't expect a AA Baseball Team to compete at a Major League Level...and yes, it was unsatisfiying at the end...seems like no one cared about the teams..and the outcomes..it could have been handled differently... to give the ending some importance..but maybe people got indifferent to it..and there was so much animosity about the voting and such..but DPL2, if it happens will be better because of what they have learned in this "Beta" version...it's alot of fun..it just needs to be tweeked a bit.. :)
08/10/2007 04:45:20 AM · #23
Originally posted by yanko:



A 5 game season simply is too small of a sample to determine who the best teams are in each division, hence half the divisions were won by teams that didn't lead their division in average. If the season was longer and the schedules more balanced this would never happen. You can't tell me Se7endipity's 1-4 record reflects a poor performance, when in reality they were better than every other division winner except of course the one in their division.


Thanks for pointing that out, Richard :)
08/23/2007 09:37:35 AM · #24
I am on 'the eXposed' DPL team which won the Division B. I was quite happy not competing against the Hogs. And to make the Div C winners compete against them seems rediculous. I think leaving the winners at the Division level makes lots of sense.

I would love to see some type of scoring that took into account 'improvement'. How far above the seeding score did the Team finish. I noticed some of the top Div A teams actually had DPL averages that were below their initial seeding scores, while many of the Div B and C teams had great improvement. Perhaps even a handicap system that rewarded IMPROVEMENT, not just your ability to get ribbons and high scores.

That would level the playing field and really put the focus on improvement. It would really open up the competition.
08/23/2007 10:03:12 AM · #25
Originally posted by alexzen:

I am on 'the eXposed' DPL team which won the Division B. I was quite happy not competing against the Hogs. And to make the Div C winners compete against them seems rediculous. I think leaving the winners at the Division level makes lots of sense.

I would love to see some type of scoring that took into account 'improvement'. How far above the seeding score did the Team finish. I noticed some of the top Div A teams actually had DPL averages that were below their initial seeding scores, while many of the Div B and C teams had great improvement. Perhaps even a handicap system that rewarded IMPROVEMENT, not just your ability to get ribbons and high scores.

That would level the playing field and really put the focus on improvement. It would really open up the competition.


The handicap system is the only true fair system that would allow all members to compete in.
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