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01/17/2004 06:41:32 AM · #1 |
Hi... I am new to this forum and somewhat new to photography as well. A friend and I set ourselves challenges and go out on photo shoots at all hours. One morning we went down to the jetty and caught some nice shots of people fishing. My friend is a bit afraid of photographing strangers since she feels she is invading their privacy. She prefers to ask their permission before photographing them. I think this takes out the spontanity of the picture and would rather just shoot and go.
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01/17/2004 07:17:14 AM · #2 |
Use a long lense. If they ask you to stop or not to take their pictures. Just stop. Candids shot are definitely fun to capture. If you feel uncomfortable don't take them.
Public places you should be able to take pictures but try not to take pictures that may be offensive: accidents, harrassing, etc. |
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01/17/2004 07:29:27 AM · #3 |
Sometimes people don't care, like these exhibitionists:
or this busker:
but sometimes you need to ask, as I did with this homeless person.
Long shots are less invasive too.
I think Faidoi's advice is spot on, so good luck Charlotte and look forward to seeing your work.
Edit: why has your icon not got the cute little pigtails? ;)
Message edited by author 2004-01-17 07:30:40. |
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01/17/2004 09:04:40 AM · #4 |
Originally posted by Imagineer:
why has your icon not got the cute little pigtails? ;) |
Because I don't know how to change it... can't figure it out.
Thanks for the great advice guys. My friend Sandy and I are always pushing ourselves that little bit outside our comfort zones, so I think we will get there :)
Edit: I just figured out the pigtail thingie :)
Message edited by author 2004-01-17 09:07:37. |
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01/17/2004 09:15:48 AM · #5 |
| I think all girls get the pigtails (when they put that info in their profile). |
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01/17/2004 09:50:11 AM · #6 |
I think this was asked before but I don't remember a definite answer posted.
Here in the U.S., what are the legalities of taking candid shots? Can you, or can you not, post them online and/or sell prints? Any time I've seen this asked in the past (here or other places) there seems to have been several answers ranging from no to yes, to yes with conditions. Does anyone have the correct answer or know where to find it? Even when not going for candids, general shots contain people.
Thanks!!
Jen
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01/17/2004 09:54:53 AM · #7 |
Thats a good question, and I'd like to hear the answer too.
I think(but may be wrong)that you can take and post candids without permission, but when it comes to selling, or making any profit from a photo, you need a release first.
Anyone that knows for sure the legalities...I'd like to know. |
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01/17/2004 09:56:29 AM · #8 |
I think that if they are in a public place (ie not their home) and the photo is not offensive, you may even sell the photos.
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01/17/2004 10:16:55 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by Konador:
I think that if they are in a public place (ie not their home) and the photo is not offensive, you may even sell the photos. |
Chances are you'd be safe selling a print, but if the purchaser decided to use the photo in an advertisment, or in some publication in a way that the subject felt is embarrasing, you could get sued if you don't have a model release. Taking photos of strangers, and even posting them, is OK, making money from a photo of a person without their permission is a no-no. |
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01/17/2004 10:29:38 AM · #10 |
| I was out yesterday looking for pictures of signs to take a picture for the current challenge. I was taking pictures of trains intersecting a street at a crossing. I was out in the open so everyone could see me (not looking particularly devious). There was a furniture store in the backround and when I was leaving the owner of the store came running up to me asking me why I was taking a picture of his store. He was actually nervous that I was some kind of AlKaida type planning to blow up his store. After some explanation he calmed down. Whew! what is this world coming to!! |
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01/17/2004 11:54:23 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by Dave Gordon:
Originally posted by Konador:
I think that if they are in a public place (ie not their home) and the photo is not offensive, you may even sell the photos. |
Chances are you'd be safe selling a print, but if the purchaser decided to use the photo in an advertisment, or in some publication in a way that the subject felt is embarrasing, you could get sued if you don't have a model release. Taking photos of strangers, and even posting them, is OK, making money from a photo of a person without their permission is a no-no. |
Yeah I used to wonder that too? But when I found out just to be safe I printed out a couple of these and I carry them in my camera bag you never know....... Here are a few links might help ease situations...
Model release form
Photographers rights
And I believe I got these links a good while back from another DPCer so there are other threads that are about taking pictures of people....
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01/17/2004 12:59:11 PM · #12 |
To start with, it's good to know what laws that apply to a given situation and location.
Here, and in most western countries, it's perfectly legal to take a shot of (a) person(s) in a public place, even without their permission, and do what you like with that photo. Some sensitivities exist, and exceptions apply. The law, however, will not protect you or your equipment from those who are ignorant or take exception to it.
A good rule of thumb is to know who you are, where you are and what you feel, with some degree of certainty, you can handle and get away with. If you have the rare ability to soothe rabid dogs, by all means approach one and land that shot no one else would be willing to take. If you customarily go out on shoots flanked by two trained Dobermans, riots and brawls, too, become somewhat doable.
If, however, you are like me, just a sensitive guy with an even more sensitive camera, I would advise you to award anyone, including plants and animals, the same respect you would wish for yourself. Now, I don't mind, if a photographer invades my (perceived) privacy, if she/he does so in a humorous, unique or otherwise non-threatening way.
It is easy to simply stay away and never offend anyone, but it is as exciting as it can be taxing to land a great candid. To do this without attracting or causing harm and offense is an acquired skill.
Message edited by author 2004-01-17 13:02:28.
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01/17/2004 01:50:30 PM · #13 |
long lenses make easier work of being sneaky...
you wont get in trouble if you dont get caught.
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01/17/2004 03:15:33 PM · #14 |
One time a person on this forum who was a lawyer said taking a picture of someone even in a public place without permission youcould be sued
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01/17/2004 03:24:34 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by Crafty Sue:
One time a person on this forum who was a lawyer said taking a picture of someone even in a public place without permission youcould be sued
Sue |
You can always be sued for all kinds of things. Whether a suit is successful, depends on law not on plaintiff's intent.
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01/17/2004 03:37:49 PM · #16 |
I can remember asking the same thing about candid shots a good while back and getting some interesting responses. Heres the link...
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01/17/2004 08:20:12 PM · #17 |
| years ago i bought an 90 degree lens for my camera in Hong Kong. i can't find it and assume i sold it years back. it screws onto your lens like a filter and looks like a lens to anyone standing by, but it has a mirror at 45 degrees that points to the side. it was a great attachment and i'm sorry i ever let it go. |
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01/17/2004 08:34:28 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by Armadillo:
years ago i bought an 90 degree lens for my camera in Hong Kong. i can't find it and assume i sold it years back. it screws onto your lens like a filter and looks like a lens to anyone standing by, but it has a mirror at 45 degrees that points to the side. it was a great attachment and i'm sorry i ever let it go. |
You mean Sneaky Pete! I laughed when I read your post, because I actually have one of these. It belonged to my dad, and I was able to adapt it to 58mm, so it mounts on some of my Canon lenses. Works with focal lengths over about 70mm, and gives surprisingly good results. The images are reverted (horizontal mirror image), so you need to flip them in Adobe® Photoshop®, which of course is no problem.
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01/17/2004 08:40:33 PM · #19 |
| you dont necessarily have to use Adobe® Photoshop®, any image editor would work. |
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01/17/2004 08:43:12 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by soup:
you dont necessarily have to use Adobe® Photoshop®, any image editor would work. |
True, but when I type Adobe® Photoshop®, I get to use those cool circle-R-thingies!
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01/17/2004 08:44:07 PM · #21 |
| and now you can copy and paste them ¿ |
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01/17/2004 09:09:40 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
Originally posted by soup:
you dont necessarily have to use Adobe® Photoshop®, any image editor would work. |
True, but when I type Adobe® Photoshop®, I get to use those cool circle-R-thingies! |
LOL, you crack me up!
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01/17/2004 09:13:11 PM · #23 |
here i found the link
//www.cameragear.com/rightanglelenses.asp
Message edited by author 2004-01-17 21:15:40. |
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01/19/2004 09:49:41 PM · #24 |
Hello charlotte,
Sometimes I do a street photography, and it's a lot of fun. Some tips:
- be relaxed
- Don't hide your camera and do not try to be sneaky. You are not doing anything wrong! You will realize that a lot of people just do not care. At the beginning, you can practice in some really busy street - the people are just going against you, and you shoot and shoot. Most of them don't even realize that it is them you are shooting.
- Some people may became a little worried when you point your camera to them: what works best for me is to smile at them. Give them the feeling that it is perfectly OK that they are being photographed. They may even smile back at you and you can create nice photo ;-)
- I personally do not ask for permission. It just happened once to me that I shooted someone and he told me that I need a permission for that. I answered him that it is not so, but if he do not feel ok with it, I can erase the photo from my camera. He told me that it is allright..
- be relaxed, and good luck!
Phoetica
www.phoetica.com
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01/22/2004 06:46:35 AM · #25 |
Originally posted by ButterflySis:
I think this was asked before but I don't remember a definite answer posted.
Here in the U.S., what are the legalities of taking candid shots? Can you, or can you not, post them online and/or sell prints? Any time I've seen this asked in the past (here or other places) there seems to have been several answers ranging from no to yes, to yes with conditions. Does anyone have the correct answer or know where to find it? Even when not going for candids, general shots contain people.
Thanks!!
Jen |
Yes, this is very true. The answer is sometimes unclear. I know one thing for sure though. Here in Florida if you attend a public event in a public place then anything goes. I have produced Bike Week CD's in the past and to tell the truth, most of the people are over thrilled to be photographed. I did many candid shots but always tried to tell them I took there photo and if it was ok to use them as a common courtesy. It is always a good idea though to care around some release forms though because if yo plane to sell any to a news paper or something they may need this. I do a lot of freelance work this way and it is great fun. It does take some time though get use to asking the people and don't feel bad if they say no. You have to learn to be aggressive in this kind of work.
Just my two cents,
Tom
//www.deltonalakes.com |
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