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08/01/2007 02:30:53 PM · #1

Bonds is 1 away from tying the record...

What is the general concensus of DPCrs about bonds?

Personally, I love baseball and I think he is worst of the worst. Kind of bored and looking to discuss this with people outside our local sports market which is New England so its nothing but Yankees and Red Sox.

08/01/2007 02:35:02 PM · #2

In my mind it won't be a record. He is or has been cheating and breaking the rules. But as we all know money talks.

Hank Aaron will still be the record holder to me.

pamelasue

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08/01/2007 02:37:53 PM · #3

I wish that every MLB manager decided to give him an intentional walk every time he came to the plate for the rest of his career ... I know that will never happen, but a girl can dream, right?!

I agree with Erick, Hank Aaron will always be the record holder ...

on another note ... go Tigers!

08/01/2007 03:19:17 PM · #4

Surprisingly, this has nothing really to do with money. It is all the fact that Bud Selig (commisioner of baseball) has no balls whatsoever and the players, players union and the owners walk all over him.

How on Earth has he not instituted an official policy on steroid use and performance enhancers? Because of his spinelessness, Barry Bonds has NOT broken any rules so his record will stand.

08/01/2007 03:21:41 PM · #5

It is all about the money!

The fact that he gets away with it is because he puts butts in the seats so everyone turns a blind eye. To think that money is not at the root of this is a tad naive.

Just saying...

yanko

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08/01/2007 03:29:08 PM · #6

Originally posted by pamelasue:

They'll never do that but it would be nice if the fans did something if he hits it on the road. Maybe everyone leaves the ballpark at that exact moment? Or whoever catches it defaces the ball and throws it back although that would never happen.

pamelasue

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08/01/2007 03:35:31 PM · #7

Originally posted by yanko:

Originally posted by pamelasue:
I wish that every MLB manager decided to give him an intentional walk every time he came to the plate for the rest of his career ... I know that will never happen, but a girl can dream, right?!

I agree with Erick, Hank Aaron will always be the record holder ...

on another note ... go Tigers!

They'll never do that but it would be nice if the fans did something if he hits it on the road. Maybe everyone leaves the ballpark at that exact moment? Or whoever catches it defaces the ball and throws it back although that would never happen.

even though I dislike him, I'd keep that ball and retire off of the profit of it's sale!!

GeneralE

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08/01/2007 03:40:57 PM · #8

Players have been "cheating" for years -- before steroids it was "bennies" and "greenies" -- those are (what were then) legal amphetamines, reportedly in every locker room like a big bowl of M&Ms.

Spitballs, bat-corking -- baseball has a long and proud history of rule evasion, bending, and breaking. Ty Cobb intentionally slashed other players' legs with his (sharpened daily) spikes -- you think that would be tolerated today?

I dislike Bonds because he's a pompous, lying, too-rich-for-his-own good, pampered, exploitative jerk. But to me, the steroids themselves are somewhere further down on the list of transgressions. They may have added a few feet to the ball's travel, but they do nothing to aid bringing about the meeting of ball and bat so as to drive it with the proper trajectory.

Why is his case so much worse than, say, Rafael Palmiero's -- aren't his 500 homeruns tainted by sitting in Congress and lying to their faces, only to be busted a few months later?

08/01/2007 03:56:40 PM · #9

Ralphie should be thrown out of baseball as well along w/ mcgwire, sosa, giambi etc... they all suck equally, just bonds is on the cusp of the greatest record in baseball.

All the other cheating methods are bad, but no where near the significance of steroid use. All the other cheatings gave an edge, but never changed their bodies. A corked bat you would need to still hit the ball well, a spit ball just makes a curve break an inch more, ty cobb is an enigma all its own. In the old days, there were even reports of people in the stands with telescopes relaying the pitch signals to the hitting team. Bending the rules is unethical, but no one is setting the all time strikeout record due to spitballs.

Steroids on the other hand give the player an unfair edge every moment he is on the field. Ive seen Bonds hit broken bat home runs, or balls that would be routine outs sail over the outfield wall, that doens't happen naturally. Pitchers can keep their arms fresh through the entire season because steroids help their recovery time.

What is really sad is Bonds is a great hitter. He would have been a hall of fame hitter either way. He has a great eye and amazing bat speed. He entered the league as a 185lb leadoff man. He was there to make contact and run and steal bases.

It really has nothing to do with money. How has money gotten him off the hook? He puts butts in seats, but San Fran has never had a problem with fan support. He is booed by everyone everytime he steps up to the plate. That said he still hasn't broken any rules that would allow for him to be thrown out of baseball. Bud Selig is a waste of oxygen and he has done more to hurt the game than anything else. All he needs to do is clearly state that 1. any use of any performance enhancing drugs will result in a Pete Rose style exile from baseball. and 2. everyone will be tested weekly for these drugs.

Do that and you will see Barry Bond's head actually shrink.

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08/01/2007 04:18:43 PM · #10

Lets see.

Balco=money
Endorsements=money
Ticket sales=money
merchandise sales=money
Bonds=money
etc. etc.

Money is the driving force of the game. Bonds is a huge name and that gets fans into the seats and schwag to take home. The game is all about profits. The reason he has not had to answer the charges against him is because of money. Money gets him out of trouble. The sense of entitlement is all about the money.

Major league sports are for profit games.

It is all about the cash.

ETA: and on the point about fans booing him. If they are there to cheer or to boo they paid for a ticket.

Message edited by author 2007-08-01 16:32:00.

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08/01/2007 04:47:32 PM · #11

I hate bonds. Sad that such a good player is such an ass. Sad that one of the most prominent records in baseball will be held by a guy that most likely cheated more then anyone in baseball history.

Our revenge will be, he'll NEVER get in the hall of fame! NEVER!

And A-Rod has a shot at breaking the record again! 256 away and 31 years old. Couple more this year and average 25/year til he's 41. Very do-able considering what he's done thus far.

08/01/2007 04:59:23 PM · #12

Im a yankee fan and I dont' think Arod can do it. Not because he isn't a great hitter, but Barry is not going to just stop playing once he hits that record breaking shot. Barry could easily come to the AL and just be a DH. That could easily add an additional season to his career. Besides that if Arod is clean and stays clean, his body won't let him do what Barry does at such an age.

I agree he wil probably never get into the hall, but there is a chance and once he breaks this record and retires a few years, who knows how much forgiveness is out there.

I would just like to see him wiped from the record books. I would like to see no record that a man named Barry Bonds ever played in the MLB.

To Wazoo. I agree that baseball is probably the most for profit sport, but I don't agree thats why Barry gets away with murder. Its very hard for baseball or his sponsors or his team to punish him when technically he has not broken a single rule. If there was such a rule, it would be easy to punish him. Look at other sports, football has a strict drug policy or even more evident is the doping policy in cycling. Look how many cyclists have been DQd from the Tour de France. They broke a well established rule and are punished according to that written rule. If there was such a rule for baseball, it would be easy for a punishment to be handed down. All teh money he brings in for baseball is really just drops in the bucket. San Fran would sell tickets w/o him, endorsements would find other athletes etc. No one in baseball is irreplaceable regardless of success or personality.

08/01/2007 05:11:39 PM · #13

I am not trying to convince you but the fact remains to me that it is all about the cash. You can spin it any way you want. So if we must we can agree to disagree.

If he was a no-namer we would not be talking about this.

Message edited by author 2007-08-01 17:12:16.

08/01/2007 05:12:54 PM · #14

Big Name = Big Money

yanko

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08/01/2007 06:48:58 PM · #15

Originally posted by GeneralE:

But to me, the steroids themselves are somewhere further down on the list of transgressions. They may have added a few feet to the ball's travel, but they do nothing to aid bringing about the meeting of ball and bat so as to drive it with the proper trajectory.

Actually that isn't true at all. It allows the body to recover much faster allowing you to not only put on more muscle mass but also to remain in peak physical condition and as anybody would know playing sports or anything for that matter you do better when you feel better. Why do you think short distance sprinters get caught using all the time as well as weight lifters?

Someone at Bonds age should have seen his stats drastically decline or at the very least remain neutral except that didn't happen at all. At age 37 he began having personal bests in every statistical category from average to homers. That simply doesn't happen.

Message edited by author 2007-08-01 18:50:42.

yanko

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08/01/2007 07:08:28 PM · #16

Originally posted by Jmnuggy:

Well when ARod reaches Bonds' age when his stats began to explode, which is five years from now he will probably be at 700 home runs. Even with a decline from that point on he should easily pass Bonds.

What is interesting is Canseco has said he has "stuff" on ARod as well. So who knows maybe 900 homers will be reached in our lifetime.

Message edited by author 2007-08-01 19:09:01.

GeneralE

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08/01/2007 07:21:30 PM · #17

Originally posted by Jmnuggy:

... but San Fran has never had a problem with fan support.

The Giants were saved from being moved twice in the past forty years due to lack of attendance, first by Bob Lurie who kept the team out of Toronto (or wheerever), and then by Peter Magowan who bought the team just before they would have been moved to Tampa/St. Pete ... Lately, the new ball park has been keeping butts in the seats whether Bonds plays or not.

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08/03/2007 10:46:49 AM · #18

honestly ive never been so UNexcited over baseball in all my life,and i LOVE the sport! the dopers know they cheated,and in the end cheaters never win... go braves...

pamelasue

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08/03/2007 11:21:48 AM · #19

I'm WAY excited over baseball the last few years (except the Bonds thing) ... the Tigers are doing great and it's fun to be a baseball fan in Detroit these days ... even went to the World Series game that they won ... lots of fun!

Go Tigers!!

Bugzeye

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08/03/2007 11:23:10 AM · #20

*Bonds