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06/29/2007 01:43:20 PM · #1
New proposed photography rules in NYC
06/29/2007 01:49:15 PM · #2
I guess no DPC NYC GTG? lol, actually if you read through it, you already need a permit, they just never had a set of written rules and guidelines. And if they really can process them in 24 hours, getting a permit shouldn't be too tough. The "up to 30 days" is concerning though. Guess its good that I normally shoot alone since none of it applies to me.
06/29/2007 01:49:35 PM · #3
So much for the next NYC gtg.
06/29/2007 01:53:23 PM · #4
Well, thats kind of silly. But it dosent affect me much because im probably never going to go to NYC in my life, though I would absolutly love to.
06/29/2007 01:58:18 PM · #5
When was the last NYC GTG? The rules are in response to a lawsuit when they detained that guy in 2005, and no written guidelines were available. And its all up to the discretion of the police. As long as no one's causing problems or blocking pedestrians or traffic, they shouldn't hassle anyone. And how many shots can you get in 10 minutes? Especially when going to see as many sites as possible?
06/29/2007 02:07:43 PM · #6
I think the rules as written sound confusing, but I wouldn't worry about them for an NYC GTG. That is, I have no doubt the rules will be enforced randomly and someone, sometime, is going to get bothered unfairly. But I'm also guessing it'll be a tiny percentage of the time, so I wouldn't let that stop me from hanging out with DPC buddies for a day of shooting.

Just be sensible, don't set up a big honkin' tripod in the middle of the sidewalk in Times Square, and be respectful if a police officer does talk to you, and I think you'll be fine.
06/29/2007 02:08:20 PM · #7
"would require any group of two or more people who want to use a camera in a single public location for more than a half hour to get a city permit and insurance."

Easy enough, just keep moving... :-P

Message edited by author 2007-06-29 14:08:57.
06/29/2007 02:15:55 PM · #8
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

"would require any group of two or more people who want to use a camera in a single public location for more than a half hour to get a city permit and insurance."

I'm waiting for the large group of Japanese tourists to get hassled in Times Square. hehe
06/29/2007 02:18:12 PM · #9
Originally posted by levyj413:

but I wouldn't worry about them


Well, I would. they are horrifying, frankly, to anyone who takes pictures or make movies (which is becoming as open a field as photography thanks to technology).

06/29/2007 02:21:50 PM · #10
Originally posted by wsl:

When was the last NYC GTG? The rules are in response to a lawsuit when they detained that guy in 2005, and no written guidelines were available. And its all up to the discretion of the police. As long as no one's causing problems or blocking pedestrians or traffic, they shouldn't hassle anyone. And how many shots can you get in 10 minutes? Especially when going to see as many sites as possible?


And its all up to the discretion of the police.
And that's where any problems will probably begin...
I just love how places make obscure laws that the ordinary person has no reasonably simple way to find out about, then hassle them for breaking them.

Okay, as photographers maybe more here would know who to ask about where and what one could shoot, but would your granny even think to ask?
And too many of the enforcers of the laws/regulations, whether police or private security, are ill-educated on what they're enforcing and how they're permitted to.

Vague rules, enforcement of which is left up to the discretion of often under-paid and poorly-trained individuals, are potentially bad situations waiting to happen .
06/29/2007 02:22:32 PM · #11
That's why us in fly over country want New Yorkers (easterners) and Californicators to stay away. :)
06/29/2007 02:22:32 PM · #12
Don, to clarify: I think they're worth worrying about in the sense the ACLU is worrying. That is, protesting them is worth the effort.

I just mean in the context of hooking up, I wouldn't let them stop me.

Leroy: the issue isn't so much 2 people shooting for 30 minutes, although that's annoying. But it also says 5 people shooting for 10 minutes.

5-7 of us probably spent an hour at the Iwo Jima memorial last weekend.
06/29/2007 02:27:44 PM · #13
Freakin' frightening, imo. Sounds like carte blanche to nab anyone with a camera, if they want to. Time to invest in cameras that don't look like cameras.
06/29/2007 02:34:41 PM · #14
Hehe I just had a funny thought about this going to court and the press reporting on Amicus briefs being submitted by the EFF and DpChallenge.com. :)
06/29/2007 02:46:55 PM · #15
Originally posted by vtruan:

That's why us in fly over country want New Yorkers (easterners) and Californicators to stay away. :)


I'm sorry, but I don't get the smiley or the relevance of this statement to the discussion in this thread. Could you be more specific in your complaint and/or joke?
06/29/2007 02:54:26 PM · #16
Simple.. Just put your camera away every 29 minutes or so. Then you can take it out and start shooting again. :)
06/29/2007 02:57:19 PM · #17
Originally posted by daboardergirl:

Simple.. Just put your camera away every 29 minutes or so. Then you can take it out and start shooting again. :)


Unless your within 100 feet of any other camera bearing idiots walking through the city at any given time
06/29/2007 02:57:35 PM · #18
Originally posted by daboardergirl:

Simple.. Just put your camera away every 29 minutes or so. Then you can take it out and start shooting again. :)


Hehe
06/29/2007 02:59:01 PM · #19
Originally posted by KaDi:

Originally posted by vtruan:

That's why us in fly over country want New Yorkers (easterners) and Californicators to stay away. :)


I'm sorry, but I don't get the smiley or the relevance of this statement to the discussion in this thread. Could you be more specific in your complaint and/or joke?


In Colorado we would never be taxed or charged a fee for taking pictures. Its a joke, NYC and Cal. are the most taxed states/cities in the country. They'll tax or charge you for breathing if they could and may. I better not say any more, we have a Democrat govenor and both state houses in Colorado now. :(

Message edited by author 2007-06-29 14:59:42.
06/29/2007 03:00:35 PM · #20
I think if it comes to be, then every photographer possible should request a permit...preferably on the same day and for the same day. They'd be a little busy processing the forms for a while. :)
06/29/2007 03:05:22 PM · #21
Originally posted by KaDi:

I think if it comes to be, then every photographer possible should request a permit...preferably on the same day and for the same day. They'd be a little busy processing the forms for a while. :)


Theoretically that sounds good. The only problem is that the peons who have to process will suffer while no productive information will filter through to the ivory towers.

eta; unless the media is invited to take part....

Message edited by author 2007-06-29 15:05:52.
06/29/2007 03:07:02 PM · #22
Originally posted by vtruan:

Originally posted by KaDi:

Originally posted by vtruan:

That's why us in fly over country want New Yorkers (easterners) and Californicators to stay away. :)


I'm sorry, but I don't get the smiley or the relevance of this statement to the discussion in this thread. Could you be more specific in your complaint and/or joke?


In Colorado we would never be taxed or charged a fee for taking pictures. Its a joke, NYC and Cal. are the most taxed states/cities in the country. They'll tax or charge you for breathing if they could and may. I better not say any more, we have a Democrat govenor and both state houses in Colorado now. :(


It just seemed that you were blaming the citizens of New York State, indeed the entire Eastern seaboard (and, oddly, people from the opposite coast) for the actions of a few bureaucrats in NYC. My personal experience knowing many people from NYC and +/- 1,000 miles radius is that they would not only be appalled at this legislation but would also speak up about it. Feisty bunch of folk! I'd also think that the NYC tourism board and individual shop owners would soon get on board with the issue. :)
06/29/2007 03:07:39 PM · #23
Originally posted by BeeCee:

Originally posted by KaDi:

I think if it comes to be, then every photographer possible should request a permit...preferably on the same day and for the same day. They'd be a little busy processing the forms for a while. :)


Theoretically that sounds good. The only problem is that the peons who have to process will suffer while no productive information will filter through to the ivory towers.

eta; unless the media is invited to take part....


Seems to work for skateboarders.... ;-)
06/29/2007 03:10:59 PM · #24
Just curious, w/o reading all the text... but if a few New Yorkers had city issued press credentials (which are usually easy to acquire), I'm pretty sure guest could tag along.

If I were in NYC, I'd definitely look into getting press credentials to avoid the fees.

Edit: nevermind about fees, didn't see that. But stll worth getting the credentials to avoid hassle.

Message edited by author 2007-06-29 15:18:31.
06/29/2007 03:14:10 PM · #25
But it says the passes are free....
I'm just kinda wondering what the purpose is? If it's to stop people causing a disruption surely there's already laws that cover that?

Message edited by author 2007-06-29 15:15:10.
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