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12/31/2003 01:04:50 PM · #26 |
I'm with the Site Council on this. Submit according to the rules or go away. If you want to join the community then join and quit griping. If you don't like the rules then petition for some change but live by the decisions of the site owners and by the enforcement of those rules by the Site Council.
And as for Ben being on the SC, that's a non-issue. He is, you're not and until you prove that you've contributed to the community in some similar fashion as he has then I can't see you complaining. The SC is made up of several individuals all of whom contribute time and emotional energy. They all get votes; not just one of them. If you don't like what they're doing then (A) start paying for your account and (B) start using it to submit to every contest.
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12/31/2003 01:11:57 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by KevinRiggs:
I'm with the Site Council on this. Submit according to the rules or go away. If you want to join the community then join and quit griping. If you don't like the rules then petition for some change but live by the decisions of the site owners and by the enforcement of those rules by the Site Council.
And as for Ben being on the SC, that's a non-issue. He is, you're not and until you prove that you've contributed to the community in some similar fashion as he has then I can't see you complaining. The SC is made up of several individuals all of whom contribute time and emotional energy. They all get votes; not just one of them. If you don't like what they're doing then (A) start paying for your account and (B) start using it to submit to every contest. |
OR (C) go the hell away... |
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12/31/2003 01:26:15 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by Stewan:
Seems like a lot of people are getting dq'd on here recently. Do the powers that be have a God complex going on or something? I think they need to lighten up a bit. |
I start to get the feeling that not enough people are getting DQ'd. It is shocking to see how many photographs are disqualified and I bet that a lot slip through. It makes me angry.
I skip a lot of challenges because I can't find a subject in the timeframe given (could easily scan some old stuff or use one of the 15.000 digital shots of the last three years) and I follow the rules to the letter (also a reason why I skip some challenges). So are many other people.
Mistakes can be made, but it seems like a lot of people either don't read the rules or cheat on purpose. I am happy that dpc doesn't award prices of value, bet it would be even worse then.
Follow the rules, very simple.
Don't lighten up please.
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12/31/2003 01:29:29 PM · #29 |
| I'm with Azrifel - well put. |
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12/31/2003 01:30:18 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by Stewan:
Well, when you have 16 year olds on the site council I tend to question their judgement sometimes. |
When you have an average vote cast of 3.6 I tend to question people's judgement sometimes.
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12/31/2003 01:52:41 PM · #31 |
Stewan bounced, I think. Too bad. He should have checked out Konador's stuff on his profile. I wouldn't mind being that 16 year old fotog bc he's damn good!
Trade ya, Ben!
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12/31/2003 02:14:08 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by FatWillie:
I was dq'd for "on the edge" and also have MANY friends who have been as well. The response they received from site council was at best very lame. |
I think I'd be more sypathetic to your plight if I had ever seen you post a comment that wasn't a complaint. Your wording doesn't help you out either.
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01/04/2004 08:06:24 PM · #33 |
| And another DQ after few days in "On The Edge" challenge? |
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01/04/2004 08:11:02 PM · #34 |
| Unfortunately, yes. Checking it out took a little longer than usual. |
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01/04/2004 08:12:12 PM · #35 |
So, what happened to this shot?
It looked OK. |
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01/04/2004 08:16:14 PM · #36 |
| I would guess that the picture was not taken in the time frame for the challenge. |
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01/04/2004 08:38:45 PM · #37 |
Which is fairer ....
a) If you break the rules you get DQ'd
b) A blind eye is turned and you are not DQ'd. The person who did not cheat comes fourth and misses the ribbon ..... had he cheated he would have done better.
I don't mind being beaten by other photos, but I would object to missing a ribbon as I didn't cherat and someone cheating allowed them to beat me.
So, those who think the site admins are too strict ... I would love to hear how you'd justify the above situation as being fair .. come on, please do, I'd love to hear it.
I don't see the point in bleating about being DQ'd, why should it matter to you .... unless you intend to cheat, in which case I ahve no sympathy.
Sometimes there is a DQ from an innocent mistake, such as with Max here .... I don't hear him crying about the DQ ..... he made an honest mistake and now doesn't whine on about how unfair life is.
I think we are seeing more DQ's simply as they are being looked at more, there has probably always been the same level of "cheating" it is just that now it is being watched more closely .....
If you don't cheat you have nothing to worry about.
Cheating to get an advantage over someone who hasn't cheated is obviously wrong.
If you make an innocent mistake then people seem to take that well.
So what's the problem?
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01/04/2004 09:43:33 PM · #38 |
hey,, only 55 more DQ's and I'll get a ribbon.... ;}
sorry bad joke.
hheehehhh
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01/04/2004 09:53:02 PM · #39 |
| It's not that bad -- I used it myself last week ... |
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01/04/2004 10:09:34 PM · #40 |
Layers: Only adjustment layers may be used, and the layer must be applied in normal mode. All other types of layers and all other blending methods (modes) are prohibited. Layers may not be used to apply a prohibited effect to an image.
Two disqualified for use of Layers....Adjustment layers may be used...Do you mean the DQ's were for Non Adjustment Layers or Prohibited Layers used....If so Why not state it as such....No wonder people get confused.
And Does this then solve the final voting numbers yet for the Edge Challenge? Or does that still need to be addressed. Seems the Site council can very easily DQ someone, but not correct their Mathematical errors? Hmmm No...Now I'm confused and that just keeps happening all to easily here....And delaying my decision to become a paid member. |
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01/04/2004 10:18:09 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by banmorn:
Layers: Only adjustment layers may be used, and the layer must be applied in normal mode. All other types of layers and all other blending methods (modes) are prohibited. Layers may not be used to apply a prohibited effect to an image.
And Does this then solve the final voting numbers yet for the Edge Challenge? Or does that still need to be addressed. Seems the Site council can very easily DQ someone, but not correct their Mathematical errors? Hmmm No...Now I'm confused and that just keeps happening all to easily here....And delaying my decision to become a paid member. |
I think that the challenge winners are done by the php set up they have here. When someone cheats they have to re-code the whole thing. That is why it takes awhile to get it updated.
So as to their "Mathmatical Errors," if no one cheated they wouldn't have to do the re-coding. Everything would be right. It makes sense to me. So in my opinon complaing about the math isn't the issue. The people not following the rules is the issue.
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01/04/2004 10:18:19 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by banmorn:
And Does this then solve the final voting numbers yet for the Edge Challenge? Or does that still need to be addressed. Seems the Site council can very easily DQ someone, but not correct their Mathematical errors? Hmmm No.... |
Site Council members can vote on whether or not to DQ a photograph, but have no access to the site code itself to reformat the front page or make adjustments in the calculations -- so far as I know, only the two site admins can do that. Right now we are a bit more concerned with getting photos DQd or validated, and with assessing the results of the rules experiment, and may let the final re-calculation of those votes wait a bit. |
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01/04/2004 10:19:27 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by banmorn:
And Does this then solve the final voting numbers yet for the Edge Challenge? Or does that still need to be addressed. Seems the Site council can very easily DQ someone, but not correct their Mathematical errors? Hmmm No...Now I'm confused and that just keeps happening all to easily here....And delaying my decision to become a paid member. |
You obviously have no idea how web sites like this work.
The SC can DQ someone as they have the interface to do so.
The SC are unable to change the code for the scoring which sounds like it has a problem. They do not have an interface that would allow them to alter site code (one would assume).
The 2 cases are completely separate issues.
Sorry you seem to get so easily confused, maybe this isn't the right site for you after all.
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01/04/2004 10:20:13 PM · #44 |
Your decision not to be a paid member would be your loss, the site council IMO is for the most part and incredible group of folks who are devoted to this site and make great efforts to address the needs and problems with the site. This site is one of the best I have come across on the net. Kudos to the site council, sorry you get so much slack.
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01/04/2004 10:21:36 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by Natator:
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Uh, I think that last line is going over the edge into, as lawyers put it, "engaging in personalities." Perhaps you'd like to edit it somewhat.
Message edited by author 2004-01-04 22:22:54. |
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01/05/2004 12:31:22 AM · #46 |
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maxpower
Sony DSC-F717 12/29/2003 01:16:24 AM
wow... maybe the new year willl be good for me...
i am currently at 6.9 in the 'egde' challenge, and 6.8 in the 'posters' challenge.... rock on! :-)
This post by Maxpower doesn't really make his entry sound like an 'honest mistake'....sorry, had to point out the irony.
I swear, as soon as it warms up outside, I'll get a life.
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01/05/2004 01:23:10 AM · #47 |
Originally posted by sher9204:
it's easy to get confused. same thing happened to me with my vehicle challenge pic. i wrote and had it dq'd because i used a non-legal filter. it didn't hit me that it was an open challenge until a few days into the challenge. |
Originally posted by maxpower:
i actually cant believe nobody recommended this for a dq, because i was worried about my poor job of hiding the editing.. if you look at the mountainyops, its quite obvious where i screwed up my burn |
Seems to be a huge difference in how concerned some people are with trying to comply with the rules. Sher was concerned enough that she DQ'ed herself when she didn't really have to; but maxpower, apparently, let his entry go through the voting process while worrying about his poor job of illegal editing.
I applaud the Site Council for their stepped-up efforts to out the cheaters. Thanks.
Having a relatively young photographer on the Site Council is good for the dpc community. There are a lot of teenagers here.
Message edited by author 2004-01-05 01:26:06. |
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01/05/2004 01:38:32 AM · #48 |
One of the confusing factors in the run-up to all of this was a series of forum posts where someone suggested DQing themselves because their photo was scoring too low for their taste, to which there were (somewhat unclear) responses to the effect that we would not entertain DQ requests from the photographer. We chose to forego any further "punishment" beyond the DQ.
I can speak only for myself, but I'm getting pretty fed up with it, and will probably be recommending something more if things keep up at the recent pace.
If you are entering a challenge, please:
• enter a legal photo according to the rules in effect
• follow-up on your entry by checking-in occasionally to see if there has been a DQ request
• If there is a DQ request, please respond quickly, even if you can't send the file right away
• CHECK the rules in effect before submitting, not just the BOX which certifies that you've read and followed them |
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01/05/2004 08:14:25 AM · #49 |
Question: What would be more 'lame'? people who are honest being beaten by people who cheat? Or cheaters getting kicked the h_ll out of town?
Your answer to that question will tell us what kind of person you are.
And secondly, as to the doubters and questioners based on irrelevant external criteria such as 'age': our 16 year old Site Council member has more maturity, smarts, and talent in his little finger than I've ever seen come out of your entire being. If everyone had at least one tenth of what this guy has going for him, this whole site - nay, this whole planet - would be a much better place.
But unfortunately, some people, no matter how loudly they whine (direct relationship?), never ever 'get it.' Too bad. . .
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01/05/2004 03:55:05 PM · #50 |
Originally posted by magnetic9999:
And secondly, as to the doubters and questioners based on irrelevant external criteria such as 'age': our 16 year old Site Council member has more maturity, smarts, and talent in his little finger than I've ever seen come out of your entire being. |
I was just about to compose a reply but Kollin expressed just exactly what I wanted to say. Sounds like a lot of personal dissatisfaction is stewing in there and leaking out, on this occasion it's being expressed as agression against Ben.
If you can find any examples of behaviour by Ben, in his role as SC, that is evidence that he is too immature to handle the "job" do share them with us. No really.
And it wouldn't do any harm to remember that the SC do the "job" on a voluntary (unpaid) basis which I think is pretty darn generous.
Attacking them for doing their best to be fair and consistent says more about you than it does about them.
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