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05/26/2002 01:07:43 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by hokie:
Originally posted by shortredneck:
[i]I still can't get a decent portrait of my son. There is always a hand in front of his face and a lot of protests. I also didn't get to go anywhere that I could get the good crowd photos I wanted to get. Maybe next week.
Actually, kids in their teens are often very self conscious about a photo and use hands as a way to hide behind.
My daughter (almost 15 ) does this a lot. I use it as a prop. Allow them to use their hands in a pleasing manner and you would be amazed at the nice shots you can create, maybe even better than just a straight portrait with only the face![/i]
Well mostly I get a loud No! and the hands or a pillow in front of the face. I did get one yesterday with him holding his head in his hands but with the flash off, it came out blurry. I will get my picture though. He promised to sit still for me if I give him $5.00.
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05/26/2002 01:33:21 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by hokie:
Originally posted by Amphian:
[i]I'd be a little careful with #1. Were I the victim, you'd end up with a broken camera if I realized you were shooting me and not some scenery behind me where I happened to get in the way. I hate even letting people I know photograph me.
Actually, if you're in a public place you're fair game.
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Actually, if you're a public figure you're fair game, but I believe obtaining and publishing a (recognizable) photo of a private citizen requires informed consent (that's why there are model releases). Of course,, with the recent ubiquitousness of surveillance camera/face-recognition database systems, we all better assume we're being photographed at all times...
Incidental appearance in a photo (from the back, in a crowd, face blurred or obscured) would be fine (by me), but candid portraiture is too invasive for many folks (like me). I sometimes ask after I've taken a picture, but I try and do it beforehand. In any event, if the subject declines, I'll not shoot/use the image. I'll often offer to send them a print too... |
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05/26/2002 02:03:03 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Actually, if you're a public figure you're fair game, but I believe obtaining and publishing a (recognizable) photo of a private citizen requires informed consent (that's why there are model releases). Of course,, with the recent ubiquitousness of surveillance camera/face-recognition database systems, we all better assume we're being photographed at all times...
That was my understanding as well. Realistically, if someone is shooting a photo of me with a telephoto lens in a crowded place or event (ballgame, etc.), I am either going to not even notice them or assume that they are shooting a crowd or event photo. If the person shooting me was as close as the photographer in the sample photo seems to be, with nothing but a blank wall in the background, there would be problems.
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05/26/2002 02:59:18 PM · #29 |
I think we need some legal advise on this. I thought you only needed a model release if you were going to sell the photos.
If the photos were to be used for your own personel use(DP Challange)you didn't need a release and anyone one in a public place was fair game. |
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05/26/2002 04:30:02 PM · #30 |
negative. you only need permission if you''re going to sell the photo.
owners of private property however, do reserve the right to prohibit photography on their property.
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by hokie:
[i]Originally posted by Amphian:
[i]I''d be a little careful with #1. Were I the victim, you''d end up with a broken camera if I realized you were shooting me and not some scenery behind me where I happened to get in the way. I hate even letting people I know photograph me.
Actually, if you''re in a public place you''re fair game.
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Actually, if you''re a public figure you''re fair game, but I believe obtaining and publishing a (recognizable) photo of a private citizen requires informed consent (that''s why there are model releases). [/i]
* This message has been edited by the author on 5/26/2002 4:33:50 PM. |
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05/26/2002 04:39:05 PM · #31 |
being afraid of people's reactions did not make anyone a better photojournalist.
(anyway, believe me the situation wasn't anywhere near as bad it looks or as my caption has helped make it. ; ) )
Originally posted by Amphian:
Originally posted by magnetic9999:
[i]1) disregard their hostility ot curiosity and shoot them anyway, i.e. like this one, lol: not too into the picture thing. I rationalize this by telling myself I'll never see these people again.
I'd be a little careful with #1. Were I the victim, you'd end up with a broken camera if I realized you were shooting me and not some scenery behind me where I happened to get in the way. I hate even letting people I know photograph me.
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05/26/2002 09:09:23 PM · #32 |
magnetic--i'm not positive, but it was my understanding that you needed a model release whether or not it was for sale. I came at this conclusion from a variety of different information.
First, as a teacher, if I wanted to use my students "likeness" in a display (bulletin board, research for grad school, etc), I had to show that I had a parent/guardian consent for that. Also, the local paper wanted to do an article for some of my high-schoolers volunteering at a pre-school. I had to gain the consent of all who would be in the pics. (I guess technically, this is for sale). The last reason was that recently I got suckered into listening to a time share thing. When I pointed out that all of their advertisements had no people in them, and wanted to know why, the salesman (a slick little guy by the name of George) *kindly* informed me that they had to clear the beaches, etc. because if someone found their picture there without permission, they could take legal action. Something about a man being shot with a women who wasn't his wife, etc. Anyway, I've just been left with the impression you should have permission.
Oh yea, and I know some parents who would be ballistic if their kids pics showed up without permission (but I think they are in the Federal Witness Protection Program, so they don't really count).
Like I said, I'm no lawyer, so I could be completely wrong. Wouldn't be the first time. :-) |
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05/26/2002 09:22:03 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by AndyLeeG4:
I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to submit a photo this week. A friend of mine told me something quite poignant. It was something like this, "People are the most challenging and rewarding subjects there are. Anyone can do, say, a nature shot. All you have to do is find something pretty and shoot. With people, it isn't enough to capture beauty, you somehow have to capture their humanity. That is why people are my favorite subject." After that, none of my pictures seemed good enough. Hopefully I'll get some inspiration this weekend.
I think I managed to pull this off quite well this week. Whatever happens, I'm happy with my shot. If it scores well, so much the better.
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05/26/2002 09:39:21 PM · #34 |
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05/26/2002 09:45:16 PM · #35 |
I stand (actually I'm sitting) corrected. I would be careful though, in pictures involving children. I know of at least one case where the mom was trying to hide the child from an abusive dad. Though it may be legal to take a picture at a school, etc. if the principal or administration says not to, I don't think I would.
But, my family will now breath a sigh of relief, for I can find other "models" besides them. I got one shot of my 14 year old niece this week (not the one I submitted) with a look on her face like, "Karma, have you got your camera out again?" My family thinks I'm obsessed. |
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05/26/2002 09:57:58 PM · #36 |
| Well, I managed to get a better shot than the one I was talking about before, by walking around with my camera in my hand, aiming it vaguely in the direction of interesting things, and clicking the button without looking through the viewfinder. As a friend pointed out, you can just delete all the photos that go wrong and keep trying. I think people still got suspicious, but they couldn't tell exactly when I was going to click the button so it wasn't as bad :). I managed to get a shot that I liked a lot, and although I can predict right now the problems that will get the most comments, I'm satisfied :) |
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05/26/2002 10:37:30 PM · #37 |
| photographs steal people's souls |
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