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06/07/2007 01:36:23 PM · #26 |
"I gave you a nine.. And please don't take offense to this, but right now I have no idea why I did that.. I must have not been looking too carefully at the images.."
LOL There is a silver lining to fast voters. :) Thanks for your honesty.
Responses have been great. I'm happy.
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06/07/2007 01:38:41 PM · #27 |
| I voted it a 5 ... mostly boring sky ... overly flat lighting ... personally I didn't really think 'science' when I saw this ... it felt more like a shoehorn with the title ... I understand that it may have been a difficult shot to get, but it really lacks the punch that it needed to score much higher ... sorry to be harsh, I hope this helps |
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06/07/2007 02:38:58 PM · #28 |
I would have given the shot a 5, for the same reasons as everyone else, although I would have given it full credit for meeting the topic.
Sometimes the amount of work put into a shot is worth it, and sometimes the shot just isn't there. To get my current top scoring shot, I drove to the zoo, pointed my 80-200 at a butterfly, snapped a couple of shots, and went home. Last weekend I got up at 4:30 am to drive for an hour to a hot air balloon festival. When I got there, it was totally overcast, and I spent an hour shooting balloons rising through the fog. To be in the middle of all those balloons was amazing, and I got some interesting shots, but nothing great, and certainly nothing DPC worthy. So I went home and spent an hour in my garden, and got a shot that's likely to be a new PB when voting finishes.
Sometimes the hardest thing is detaching from the experience of taking the picture. You have some amazing bird shots on your portfolio page. If you forget the difficulty in getting this shot, is this one really as good as the others? |
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06/07/2007 02:48:49 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by Marjo:
Originally posted by Nikolai1024:
Light is not great. Low contrast. I'd give it 6.
edit: need to be closer
edit II: how is this Science? |
Ornithology is the scientific study of birds. |
If you have to EXPLAIN it, it's going to get hammered by the voters.
GREAT capture though. Very high degree of difficulty! |
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06/07/2007 04:30:53 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by chip_k:
Originally posted by Marjo:
Originally posted by Nikolai1024:
Light is not great. Low contrast.
edit II: how is this Science? |
Ornithology is the scientific study of birds. |
If you have to EXPLAIN it, it's going to get hammered by the voters.
GREAT capture though. Very high degree of difficulty! |
Says a lot about our educational system doesn't it.
Ray |
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06/07/2007 05:38:37 PM · #31 |
Coming back again.
You know.. I really do like your picture. It looks like it was taken at precisely the right moment; the position of the ospreys is perfect. I don't see anything wrong in the relevance department at all.. You gave the name for the study of your subjects.. Plenty of other people did the same thing. Nothing wrong with that at all. I really do like your picture. It's probably something I'd buy if I saw it hanging in a store. But you know how DPC is different sometimes. There are alot of people here with alot of different opinions. I really like your picture, but I just don't think it's one of those DPC pictures.. If that makes any sense in the least.
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06/07/2007 08:56:39 PM · #32 |
its kinda hard to do much with this picture as is, but i took a crack at editing it. The sky was a little boring so i tried to make it more blue, little sharpening. I tried to get rid of the Chromatic Aberration as much as possible but it still shows a tad.
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06/07/2007 09:36:51 PM · #33 |
| for me, if there's something to fix to suit my personal taste, it would have to be the cropping. something tighter. |
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06/07/2007 09:44:49 PM · #34 |
Hey, thanks again for all the input. All good valid points to ponder.
Love the blue sky. It's not legal though to do that for a challenge, is it? |
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06/07/2007 10:00:54 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by Marjo:
Hey, thanks again for all the input. All good valid points to ponder.
Love the blue sky. It's not legal though to do that for a challenge, is it? |
In advanced editing? Sure! |
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06/07/2007 11:10:41 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by Marjo:
Hey, thanks again for all the input. All good valid points to ponder.
Love the blue sky. It's not legal though to do that for a challenge, is it? |
yup for advanced it sure is, just not basic. Only stuff thats not legal in Advanced is creating new objects, theres other stuff but that basicly sums it up. Check the rule set, be sure to read through it thoroughly so you can get the most out of your entries. |
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06/07/2007 11:14:12 PM · #37 |
Just another 'take' but I was bored and I liked the original.
 - I stayed pretty much I think within the original challenge's editing rules. I'm no expert as you can surely see! |
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06/07/2007 11:31:34 PM · #38 |
The aperture you used is pretty large. I noticed that the best focus is on the front of the nest. If you had gone with f/8 you'd still be able to get a pretty good shutter speed and have a fair bit more DOF. (Enough that maybe more of the shot would have been in sharp focus)
As for how it meets the challenge? I actually had similarly named imaged and it got slammed too.  In my opinion this should have been a broad challenge with all sorts of takes on the challenge topic. Instead we have DNMC Nazis out in full force. I'd rant but I would likely get upset and in the end? My life is no different with an image that placed 55 places lower than the challenge average. I like my shot.
Beyond that? The background is probably the biggest downfall. One thing I have learned in my reading is to expose for the sky when you are outside. Obviously that wasn't an option in this case because its a "capture the moment" type of shot. If it was overcast that day the sky still would have been pretty flat. However, I have found that simply by exposing for the sky, my clouds have come to life and they are far more dramatic. Sometimes that doesn't work but 90% of the time the effect is excellent. (IMHO anyways)
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06/07/2007 11:50:04 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by Citadel:
The aperture you used is pretty large. I noticed that the best focus is on the front of the nest. If you had gone with f/8 you'd still be able to get a pretty good shutter speed and have a fair bit more DOF. (Enough that maybe more of the shot would have been in sharp focus)
As for how it meets the challenge? I actually had similarly named imaged and it got slammed too. In my opinion this should have been a broad challenge with all sorts of takes on the challenge topic. Instead we have DNMC Nazis out in full force. I'd rant but I would likely get upset and in the end? My life is no different with an image that placed 55 places lower than the challenge average. I like my shot.
Beyond that? The background is probably the biggest downfall. One thing I have learned in my reading is to expose for the sky when you are outside. Obviously that wasn't an option in this case because its a "capture the moment" type of shot. If it was overcast that day the sky still would have been pretty flat. However, I have found that simply by exposing for the sky, my clouds have come to life and they are far more dramatic. Sometimes that doesn't work but 90% of the time the effect is excellent. (IMHO anyways) |
problem is alot of people took the challenge "science" very literally ie// Test tubes, bunson burners, chemicals etc.. you dont really think of the other aspects of science such as this. Im sure someone eating food wouldn't have people thinking of food scientists :P Its not that this didn't meet the challenge, cuz it did, its just that not alot of people knew that this is a "science". Even still i wouldn't have voted the original much higher than a 5, simply because its not very sharp, the sky is rather boring, and the crop seems a little off. The capture itself is nice, and had it been those things listed (sharper etc.), im sure it would have done better. Overall its not the worst entry ive seen lol :P |
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06/08/2007 12:03:38 AM · #40 |
Originally posted by kawana:
Originally posted by Marjo:
Hey, thanks again for all the input. All good valid points to ponder.
Love the blue sky. It's not legal though to do that for a challenge, is it? |
yup for advanced it sure is, just not basic. Only stuff thats not legal in Advanced is creating new objects, theres other stuff but that basicly sums it up. Check the rule set, be sure to read through it thoroughly so you can get the most out of your entries. |
Thanks, off topic a bit but I would love to have the originals posted with the top three winners each week. I think I'd learn and experiment more if I could see exactly what can be done. I'm still not into the extreme for the challenges, but I'd love to tweak my photos more.
Blackbox sent me his editing steps. Thanks for sharing. Excellent work.
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Basically, I inverted the image then selected the background at 50 pixels with the magic wand. Then converted the background to a more blue/black tone and put a gradient layer to it. I then selected the inverse image (the bird and nest) and re-inverted it back to the original then I flattened the image. I desaturated the total image of all blues, cyans, and magentas. Then there was a lot of dodge and burn and selective blur and sharpening. I think I got it all straight!
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