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06/12/2007 04:47:32 PM · #1
Although I have no actual recourse, it is taking every ounce of patience I can muster to read comments that tell me that I didn’t read the challenge description because I don’t have squiggly lights or light trails in my shot and therefore D N M C! I am so glad to see this thread where folks seem to know a little more about “Painting With Light”.
06/12/2007 03:11:02 PM · #2
Originally posted by foxinsox47:

Perhaps I am too much of a literalist,... Sure, it got dull looking at tons of shots of moving lasers, flashlights, etc. Still, that's kind of what the contest called for. I grant that the subtle ones started standing out, and my marks for them went up...


When I had photography in school, oh so many years ago, we were told painting with light didn't include photos where the light source was actually seen. It was considered a flaw by our teacher. I don't remember the term that was used for the other style, something like moving light, light trail, or light writing, but given there are evidently multiple definitions of painting with light I wouldn't say that one kind or the other is "what the contest called for". Now if it's a question of subtlety, you may be right. Subtle probably isn't the best way to go. It doesn't seem to have helped me any.
06/12/2007 02:30:49 PM · #3
Originally posted by foxinsox47:

Perhaps I am too much of a literalist, but when the theme calls for a moving light source as the main illumination, I get really tired of so many entries that are just objects which are nicely lit with a stationary light source. Come on, people!! Look at the description of the theme!! Just because you used chiaroscuro well doesn't mean that you deserve a good score for this topic. Sure, it got dull looking at tons of shots of moving lasers, flashlights, etc. Still, that's kind of what the contest called for. I grant that the subtle ones started standing out, and my marks for them went up - I even went back and changed a couple scores - but I still gave no less than a 5 to anything that had a moving light source. I had to give some really nice shots 2 through 4 simply because they did not follow the theme. At least this time I didn't have to hand out any 1s; that's embarrassing in both directions, to be honest.


"a moving light source as the main illumination"

Mine has that. My shot was illuminated with a handheld flashlight that I ran through a pattern I worked out from lots of practice and experimentation. The effect I got could not be duplicated with a stationary lightsource. BUT - my light does not appear in the shot.

If the challenge said "use a softbox as the main illumination" does that mean the softbox must appear in the shot? of course not.

I'd urge you to revisit those shots - I bet few of them are actually DNMCs, just more subtle than what you were expecting.
06/12/2007 02:25:52 PM · #4
Originally posted by foxinsox47:

Perhaps I am too much of a literalist, but when the theme calls for a moving light source as the main illumination, I get really tired of so many entries that are just objects which are nicely lit with a stationary light source. Come on, people!!

It's possible to use a moving light source in a way that "paints" a subject in a soft even manner quite effectively. I wouldn't be so quick to judge...

Originally posted by foxinsox47:

At least this time I didn't have to hand out any 1s; that's embarrassing in both directions, to be honest.

That's a good thing. :D
06/12/2007 02:24:52 PM · #5
I guess I misinterpreted the description then because I did not see where it said you had to show the moving light.

I keep editing this because I keep using the wrong word.... grrr

Originally posted by foxinsox47:

Perhaps I am too much of a literalist, but when the theme calls for a moving light source as the main illumination, I get really tired of so many entries that are just objects which are nicely lit with a stationary light source. Come on, people!! Look at the description of the theme!! Just because you used chiaroscuro well doesn't mean that you deserve a good score for this topic. Sure, it got dull looking at tons of shots of moving lasers, flashlights, etc. Still, that's kind of what the contest called for. I grant that the subtle ones started standing out, and my marks for them went up - I even went back and changed a couple scores - but I still gave no less than a 5 to anything that had a moving light source. I had to give some really nice shots 2 through 4 simply because they did not follow the theme. At least this time I didn't have to hand out any 1s; that's embarrassing in both directions, to be honest.


Message edited by author 2007-06-12 14:34:28.
06/12/2007 02:22:38 PM · #6
Originally posted by foxinsox47:

Perhaps I am too much of a literalist, but when the theme calls for a moving light source as the main illumination, I get really tired of so many entries that are just objects which are nicely lit with a stationary light source. Come on, people!! Look at the description of the theme!! Just because you used chiaroscuro well doesn't mean that you deserve a good score for this topic. Sure, it got dull looking at tons of shots of moving lasers, flashlights, etc. Still, that's kind of what the contest called for. I grant that the subtle ones started standing out, and my marks for them went up - I even went back and changed a couple scores - but I still gave no less than a 5 to anything that had a moving light source. I had to give some really nice shots 2 through 4 simply because they did not follow the theme. At least this time I didn't have to hand out any 1s; that's embarrassing in both directions, to be honest.


Perhaps you should read the description of the challenge again:

"Use a non-stationary light source (for example, a moving flashlight in your hand) as the primary method of illuminating your subject in a creative manner."
06/12/2007 02:08:33 PM · #7
Perhaps I am too much of a literalist, but when the theme calls for a moving light source as the main illumination, I get really tired of so many entries that are just objects which are nicely lit with a stationary light source. Come on, people!! Look at the description of the theme!! Just because you used chiaroscuro well doesn't mean that you deserve a good score for this topic. Sure, it got dull looking at tons of shots of moving lasers, flashlights, etc. Still, that's kind of what the contest called for. I grant that the subtle ones started standing out, and my marks for them went up - I even went back and changed a couple scores - but I still gave no less than a 5 to anything that had a moving light source. I had to give some really nice shots 2 through 4 simply because they did not follow the theme. At least this time I didn't have to hand out any 1s; that's embarrassing in both directions, to be honest.
06/10/2007 04:45:23 PM · #8
Originally posted by KelvinC:

Originally posted by ssodell:

What is the deal? I have my entry in the challenge and have received two comments commenting on something in the photo, which is light, and saying it is something else, which it is supposed to look like something else, but it is not something else, it is light.

Can I have the Blue ribbon for fooling people with my Painting with Light Entry and having them think the light is something else when in fact I painted it with a flashlight.

I would like to disclose the info and my picture but I'll wait until the voting is over.

I probably gave you a 10 just from what you said there. I got really tired of the obvious moving light sources and much prefered the subtle ones. We'll see though.


Well I don't know, it is still a moving light source aimed at the lens, but not totally washed out straight B/W contrast 100%. I used one of those Faraday Flashlights that require no batteries. It has a nice white LED light.
06/10/2007 04:36:14 PM · #9
Looking forward to seeing comments here about obvious moving light vs. subtle illumination. Lots of good photos on both ends of the spectrum.
06/10/2007 01:22:45 PM · #10
Originally posted by Shadowi6:

So far (after about 50%)

this sort of image
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has been done far, far, far too much and for little positive effect, does everyone own a red/white pointer?

And Im getting DNMC comments because its more subtle painting which is what we wolud use more in 'real life anyway'

Anyway a little vent


I feel your pain, getting the same kind of comments myself. Good Luck to you.

Evan
06/10/2007 11:45:24 AM · #11
Originally posted by ssodell:

What is the deal? I have my entry in the challenge and have received two comments commenting on something in the photo, which is light, and saying it is something else, which it is supposed to look like something else, but it is not something else, it is light.

Can I have the Blue ribbon for fooling people with my Painting with Light Entry and having them think the light is something else when in fact I painted it with a flashlight.

I would like to disclose the info and my picture but I'll wait until the voting is over.

I probably gave you a 10 just from what you said there. I got really tired of the obvious moving light sources and much prefered the subtle ones. We'll see though.
06/10/2007 07:10:54 AM · #12
What is the deal? I have my entry in the challenge and have received two comments commenting on something in the photo, which is light, and saying it is something else, which it is supposed to look like something else, but it is not something else, it is light.

Can I have the Blue ribbon for fooling people with my Painting with Light Entry and having them think the light is something else when in fact I painted it with a flashlight.

I would like to disclose the info and my picture but I'll wait until the voting is over.
06/09/2007 07:45:52 PM · #13
Originally posted by jdannels:

Originally posted by KelvinC:

I just finished voting on the Painting With Light III challenge and have one thing to say...

PEOPLE GET SOME CREATIVETY!!!!

Thanks, looks like you put your creativity into spelling. :P

hahaha

yep, I guess I did
06/09/2007 07:27:29 PM · #14
Originally posted by KelvinC:

I just finished voting on the Painting With Light III challenge and have one thing to say...

PEOPLE GET SOME CREATIVETY!!!!

Thanks, looks like you put your creativity into spelling. :P
06/09/2007 07:08:18 PM · #15
I just finished voting on the Painting With Light III challenge and have one thing to say...

PEOPLE GET SOME CREATIVETY!!!!
06/09/2007 04:34:14 AM · #16
Originally posted by TechnoShroom:

Originally posted by Shadowi6:

...has been done far, far, far too much and for little positive effect, does everyone own a red/white pointer?...


I'd wager at least 50% of people have one on their keychain if not more.


Or the flashlight on their cameraphone
06/09/2007 02:18:23 AM · #17
Originally posted by Shadowi6:

...has been done far, far, far too much and for little positive effect, does everyone own a red/white pointer?...


I'd wager at least 50% of people have one on their keychain if not more.
06/09/2007 01:37:40 AM · #18
So far (after about 50%)

this sort of image
' . substr('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/457/thumb/301389.jpg', strrpos('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/457/thumb/301389.jpg', '/') + 1) . '
has been done far, far, far too much and for little positive effect, does everyone own a red/white pointer?

And Im getting DNMC comments because its more subtle painting which is what we wolud use more in 'real life anyway'

Anyway a little vent
06/06/2007 06:16:09 PM · #19
Thanks Karmat

Message edited by author 2007-06-06 18:21:59.
06/06/2007 06:11:56 PM · #20
Originally posted by scarbrd:

Originally posted by Dziuggy:

well i agree that people have to be creative and open minded, but there is some people who deliberately choose not to follow the challenge theme and that is annoying as well


Not sure what you mean when you say people deliberately choose not to follow the challenge, but if you are expecting to see light trails or the light source in every image, you may need to examine your understanding of Painting with Light. As Larus contends, light painting need not be that obvious. In fact, light painting is more about creating a mood than it is being obvious that a moving light source was used. Of course, this is DPC and subtlety isn't always well rewarded.

As always, Just MHO


well what i mean is there is bunch of photos that, flash or long shutter speed required to get proper exposure is replaced with flash light evenly illuminating the subject.

i.e. [link removed] the only thing you can tell about this photo is that stone is illuminated now i am assuming flashlight or other non stationary light source was used but imo looks same as if regular flash would have been used.

cheers

Message edited by karmat - please don't link to images currently in voting.
06/06/2007 07:15:06 AM · #21
Originally posted by Dziuggy:

well i agree that people have to be creative and open minded, but there is some people who deliberately choose not to follow the challenge theme and that is annoying as well


Not sure what you mean when you say people deliberately choose not to follow the challenge, but if you are expecting to see light trails or the light source in every image, you may need to examine your understanding of Painting with Light. As Larus contends, light painting need not be that obvious. In fact, light painting is more about creating a mood than it is being obvious that a moving light source was used. Of course, this is DPC and subtlety isn't always well rewarded.

As always, Just MHO

Message edited by author 2007-06-06 07:15:30.
06/06/2007 06:59:00 AM · #22
Originally posted by Dziuggy:

but there is some people who deliberately choose not to follow the challenge theme and that is annoying as well


Are you sure? Sure enough to lower your vote? If you have doubts, I urge you to sit back and look at the photo for just a handful of seconds and "read" the light in the shot to see if anyone was illuminating a just part of the photo.
06/06/2007 06:47:34 AM · #23
Woah im doing alot worse an i epeced after 12 votes =D
06/06/2007 04:33:59 AM · #24
well i agree that people have to be creative and open minded, but there is some people who deliberately choose not to follow the challenge theme and that is annoying as well
06/01/2007 02:49:57 AM · #25
With painting with light do you actually have to move your light source around or does your subject just have to be lit using something like a torch?
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